[Game] AnimeBase Mafia Players Game!!! #29

[SoulKiller]

Alright, brb making the promised post for michelle.

 

[Aether9]

SK / beeboat / Tiger

All slots that I don’t really like whatsoever

Rej is a wildcard once again

Angelus is questionable at best but I gth lean town in a beeboy scum world

alright I'd like to hear more about that bold one.

-Rej
-Alice
-TSQ
-Michelle

are they your teammates?

alright why do you think that they are town?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Alright
Go back to previous DP she jumped into the wagon immediately after luk said TAC is 100% scum and other people did too but Michelle stands out because of her behavior this game as well. Now tell me ansa, a townie michelle would atleast question stuff no? she immediately jumped into the wagon. Not only that this is not the townie michelle I know. Trust me i went to war with her in multiple occasions and she is never like this. The wallie i am about to drop on her will explain why i view her as scum.

Ok I'm going to ISO her properly this time. With you and Tigerr and decide which one of you could potentially be scum.

 

[Aether9]

I am not getting how no one is questioning alice, is this how she plays as town?

 

[Rej]

why is that?

scum has the number advantage now in order to stage so they get an even bigger lead
I'd just be cautious now with how people treat each other and who stages what mislynch
town is in a position where we can catch a scum if we search correctly, and scum most likely would avoid this

also backtracking Luku might help us to find the serial killer or mafia, I start to doubt that he was a random kill if killed

SK / beeboat / Tiger

All slots that I don’t really like whatsoever

Rej is a wildcard once again

Angelus is questionable at best but I gth lean town in a beeboy scum world

I agree with the SK and Tigerr PoE for now

I will come back to it

alice is still my top scum read for the reason I mentioned earlier

why? what makes her top scum for you?

I am not getting how no one is questioning alice, is this how she plays as town?

proved to be a waste of time in previous games, she ones played totally scummy as town, but she never had an agenda
she is to cautious so she doesn't throw away chances, it's her town mindset


this is my last post for a while,I am going to bed now, I feel a bit reset in this game, because the flips and the sudden EoD confused my scumhunting plans, but I will be back soon

I still have to catch up the last 2 pages and ISO the Toujo vs X fight and SKs commentary to it
I feel it's interesting

 

[Ansatsuken]

alright I'd like to hear more about that bold one.



are they your teammates?

alright why do you think that they are town?

What kind of question is that?

Rej - he gave me the same vibes like the previous game. He's trying to build town core and I never seen scum Rej trying to build town core before. He doesn't look opportunistic and never shown any act of shading people. The way he read or interpret the interaction between X and Toujo. It felt genuinely coming from an honest feeling. He also shown to be reasonable.

Alice - when she went against Lukundo that's the sign of Town Alice. She also felt aggressive. And I think scum Alice always prefer to go with the flow, less questioning, less doubt, less aggressive. And never shown a firm belief on something. I mean here how she firmly believe that Poison is Town.

TSQ - the way he approached a situation or player and gave his opinion about them got strong townie vibes. I think he's very direct.

Michelle - read my opinion on her in my response to SK.

 

[Ansatsuken]

What kind of question is that?

Rej - he gave me the same vibes like the previous game. He's trying to build town core and I never seen scum Rej trying to build town core before. He doesn't look opportunistic and never shown any act of shading people. The way he read or interpret the interaction between X and Toujo. It felt genuinely coming from an honest feeling. He also shown to be reasonable.

Alice - when she went against Lukundo that's the sign of Town Alice. She also felt aggressive. And I think scum Alice always prefer to go with the flow, less questioning, less doubt, less aggressive. And never shown a firm belief on something. I mean here how she firmly believe that Poison is Town.

TSQ - the way he approached a situation or player and gave his opinion about them got strong townie vibes. I think he's very direct.

Michelle - read my opinion on her in my response to SK.

Adding to Rej point*

His posts look rational and full of good/logical opinions.

 

[AngelusSama]

also I'd like reads from @-PK- @AngelusSama @Tigerrr in the woods @SoulKiller

I'm going to give some reading later. I'm currently at work.

And Beeboat still not looking very good in my eyes.

Vote: Beeboat

He looks like picking the lynch that's going to work not lynch a possible scum.

He needs to change that perception or the vote stays or I found the most possible one.

 

[AngelusSama]

I am waiting on a vote count I will see you all when it appears.

This looks bad.

 

[Poison]

I'm in the process of waking up, I'll be back later.

 

[Houtarou]

You did it before as town so you can understand my dilemma.


Naomi also got killed. So we had 2 kills? Can the host confirm that?
@Houtarou

Yes the phase Naomi died there was another kill attempt

 

[SoulKiller]

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Alright Michelle, game time is over, I have a strong feeling you are scum and I will literally hunt you down. You are very off this game, very very off. The townie Michelle I know push, ask questions, and genuinely feels like she is trying to solve this game for townies. But this game you are the complete opposite, I never really saw you make reads, push people, and you accuse people over silly stuff that makes no sense. You are not the townie Michelle I know, I don't feel that drive from you to capture scum. You are usually the front line for townies but you are taking a step back this game.

Let's see what you have done DP1.

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Fluff

I don't think everyone who posted is villager but i have a pretty good read for someone and i will reveal it later.

Waking up at 3 am and read the thread smh. Back to sleep

Being very vague, acting like she is reading but is she really?

The write-ups analysis is completely useless AI related from my POV so Penguin could sleep instead commenting on it, but that post helped me to read that wall i avoided first.

Ansa, Rej and Beeboat and in a lesser quantity Luke and Naomi gave their inputs about the game.
X, Imp, Gomez, Alice I need more from them.
SK wants probably like usual to enter itt at the middle of the day. Everyone else should take their courage and post tbh

Poison posted a lot but i don't remember something solid smh, is like she learned to pour words to fill walls.

I was just observing behaviour, so nothing I posted are reads, so spare me with 'Mich posted nothing substantial' or similar because i wanted a resume to help me in further posts and i want to keep my ideas in public.

I am going in a 2 days mini vacation so I may ad hominem post until Eod but i will try to read the thread when/if i have internet on route.

Also i should RP but i am too lazy for this. *puts phone in luggage.

She said she has a pretty good read on someone but after she woke up and made a post I can't quite tell who that someone is. She made a general analysis to the people who posted in the game so far, nothing really standing out.

Looks like i have to read from page 11 until now and idk if i will fully catch up until Eod.
Maybe someone can tell me what happened noteworthy.

I am not back yet, but i found a place with internet in the country roads.

Nothing note worthy

tl;dr means 'too long, didn't read' and i used it as request to give me a resume of your post in maximum 2 sentences. Thanks!

Asks poison here to not write alot, ok.

Luke is all over the place and unusually aggresive, i know he is always using some words but he is always kind. Idk what happened in these posts.
Question for Luke: since then are you decent if i live in a game after i posted just few times?

Rej put good questions.

Alice posted short ideas that are looking good too.

Noted Ansa's opinion about Tigerr

Ryu is oddly considering anyone who posted scum includin himself. I will follow this idea to see what happened.

TheStatusQuo made me smile. Not AI yet.

32 pages in she finally made a content worthy post.

Toujo's entrance in post #288 showed a more free discourse than in the other game. I need to read more but still, i liked it.

Side note: @Toujo this editor is indeed taking the post you are preparing no matter how many windows you open, and i often loose my work with it. Use a notepad to save quotes and return to them when you have time.

another opinion content post, but something does not feel right man. Like she is not trying.

Toujo's entrance in post #288 showed a more free discourse than in the other game. I need to read more but still, i liked it.

Side note: @Toujo this editor is indeed taking the post you are preparing no matter how many windows you open, and i often loose my work with it. Use a notepad to save quotes and return to them when you have time.

Page 16 is livelier

Nice comparison if i look at it mafia related... but looks like you don't know how delicious are the sour cherries, they are a distinct type of cherries, i'd say the bad cherries are the unripped or rotten ones

You should understand it, why do you think is weird?

I agree with this idea.

I doubt this tbh

I will put PK in my town leans for complaining about irrelevant stuff in posts.


Angelus posed like usual, nothing weird pings in his posts until now. I think scum!Angelus would pull out from the sleeve a read for Ted.

Activity is NAI, and i was myself inactive, so Poison should consider me in this boat too i think.

Finally something, she is commenting on people posts etc

I like this self confidence ngl, give me time ubtil Eod to give my read.

@Tigerrr in the woods what do you think about this interaction between SK and me?

This was not really an interaction between me and you, I simply told tigerrr to ask you for help to be able to read me.

i am voting Jjcb since day start, how come you missed it?

This post is very funny and hypocrite of her, she threw shade my way cause i voted for gomes but here she is voting for even a more inactive player, but ah i forgot it does not count as scummy when Michelle does it.

Unvote

i don't like to lynch an inactive

She then retracts her vote and says that she does not wanna lynch an inactive. Let's see who she voted for then.

@Rej could he be a lazy one who forgot about the game?
Let's say he is scum, he provides zero infos. If he is just lazy/busy but villager, lynching him is not good.

Either way i think he is not the scummiest player.

Not really fond of this mentality, so ya okay with inactives meeting minimum requirement post to keep moving forward into the game? doesn't that harm townies in the long run? What if he is scum? then it's win win no? he flips townie, good he won't hinder townies in the future, he flips scum? good we got rid of scum.

I think Toujo is busy, i bet he can't put his head in the game. I can feel it, because i am myself pretty aerial and with the weekend with the trip and the working monday i can't see well who is scum. Not yet.
He is not playinh like usual doesn't mean he is lock scum isn't it?

I don't like to lynch Poison, Gomez or Toujo.
I think you are right about Luke and this makes me sad :'(

I find it funny that you are placing Gomes in the same list as Toujo and X here. Like come on, obviously a lynch on either of X and Toujo is very bad unless something really alarming went off and if they are indeed townie then it will cost townies in the long run. Gomes in the other hand is the complete opposite and will harm townies in the long run.

Vote: Beeboat

@Houtarou

She said she wanted to lynch either aether or tigerrr but instead went for beeboat which you can arguably say that he was inactive DP1 as well. But no Michelle hates lynching inactive no? not only did she not vote for one of her scum reads on aether and tigerrr, she went and voted for beeboat who is arguably inactive as well. What does that tell me exactly?

Aether and Beeboat are both afk smh

She even mention it here herself lmao, but wait Michelle does not like to vote for inactives right? but it's okay for her to suss other players for voting for inactives. Hypocrite at it finest.

He posted with sweet words i remember.

Michelle made a post so outrageous it made multiple players question what exactly was going through Michelle mind. Not sure how she got the impression that i was using sweet words, kinda felt like she was trying to get on my good side tbh.



That was the end of DP1, the posts I did not mention were because they were either fluff or not worth mentioning. At this point I had her as null, she said she was busy so I gave her the benefit of the doubt. However, DP2 came by and that's when she started pinging me super hard.

Votelynch: TheAncientCenturion

This was Michelle first post during DP2!!! Townie Michelle would question the statement Luk made since this is a non claim game but she did not and threw her vote at TAC immediately without second thought. Felt very opportunistic and launched at the first opportunity for a mislynch. From scum perspective it makes perfect sense and she has an escape goat when things go south in luk. Hell she even got at the edge of her seat when I stated my thoughts about how something fishy is going on and i am not liking the people who jumped into the wagon immediately. What happened here is NOT TOWNIE Michelle, I played with the girl alot and I never saw her be this careless.

These 2 posts are incredibly hostile, if Luke is lying he is practically killing himself.
What is the reason for these reactions?
@Rej @Ansatsuken ?

She then makes this post which put her in much worse situation in my eyes, she is already setting up her scapegoat when TAC flips townie, and questioning people who are questioning the legitimacy of the statement luk made which is THE TOWNIE mentality. (not saying that rej and ansa are townie for it but it's some green points their way)

Good morning everyone


are you for real? What made you vote him?

I took Luke's claim as face value as well. Lack of time and such from me, but also knowing he is never doing this as scum.

The post that made me very wary of Michelle. Look at this, she is stating her that she is trusting Luk words in a non claim game, but this is the perfect scapegoat for mafia. Michelle knew TAC was not scum and was using her relationship with luk and her knowledge of him as her advantage for an easy mislynch and scapegoat when TAC flips green.

This vote looks very bad for SK imo

Not sure why it looks very bad for me? Throwing mud my way for the sake of it.

i will tunnel you to death for that rofl SK

She said she will tunnel me to death because I said luk got modkilled. Like what? why? but it's funny because when I confronted her this DP she did backed away and did not wanna do anything, she knows she fucked up. Don't worry tho I will tunnel you to death myself this time Michelle.

to be honest, if a player like you didn't see a lazy town, and is satisfied with such lynch that means that player is scum, in less words, i scum read you for this idea.

I replied to this but if you made it all the way here then you realize how hypocrite she is. It's fine when she does it. Jump between an inactive to another inactive while ignoring her scum read.

no. red check is a read check. Luke could not be more clear than he was about the level of his certainty.

She got really annoyed/defensive that I questioned how fast the wagon build up on Luk when he stated that TAC is scum. You know why she got defensive? because she is a scum who jumped into the wagon knowing it was a mislynch and people questioned it (me and tsq) she addressed us, in my case luk was already mod killed so more reason to throw sus my way for questioning how the wagon build up BEFORE LUK got mod killed.

I am shaking in my pants SK

Will not be a round 3 but will be just me proving you are wolf.

I bet you have TMI for that wagon composition btw

She then made this lovely post, stating that apparently I have TMI knowledge in the wagon?But how exactly? because I questioned things? because I did not like how the wagon build up so fast on TAC BEFORE LUK got mod killed? It's funny tho cause i had to google that LMAO but what makes it more funny is that she is the one who probably have TMI knowledge about TAC and everything going on in that wagon probably.

In my head I was searching for next scum since TAC is pretty much dead and most likely scum since luk got mod killed for it. But no, how dare I try and search for scum potential. What's the point wasting time on TAC if he is getting lynched? but what Michelle was doing is setting up a mislynch and throwing mud my way.

She also said that she will prove that I am scum but when confronted her current DP she avoided me. Why is that?


DP2 ended and TAC flipped townie, that's when everything literally pinged in my head and I was like "hold on a second.... Michelle knew of this...."

So DP3 comes around and let's see what happens.

Can I policy lynch rude behaviour?


I don't want to fight you and no one else this DP.

Michelle comes into this DP and threaten to lynch toujo. But i thought she was gonna prove to everyone that I am scum? Townie Michelle would be up my ass trying to get me lynched. I wanted to go into war with her to see if she is townie or not and confirm it once and for all. But no, she does not want to do anything and take a back seat. Like what? How are people not catching this? I literally wasted HOURS OF MY LIFE with townie Michelle going back and forth and this IS NOT TOWNIE MICHELLE. she is SCUM.

I am sure your long mafia experience showed you i am an obvious villager and you only want to bait me into a fight.
This will not happen.

I casted my vote on Michelle and this is what she had to say. You are correct about one thing, my experience with you definitely made know your townie behavior, which is why I am voting you this DP. You stated earlier that you gonna expose me for being scum and now you are retreating? Weren't you the one who said you gonna come after me and expose me? well? what is going on? You are one sly fox this game Michelle, you thought I would not notice, but i dealt with you for far to long to know if something is off about you.

A mafia game is not always a place for "panem et circenses" Tigerr, don't you wish for a peaceful and enjoyable game?

The eagerness from you to see blood in a fight itt makes me think your 'dilemma' is antitown

Vote lynch Tigerrr in the woods

And for who will ask
'but, Michelle, you said you will vote late in the day'
i'll say: Well, yeah, but Tigerr convinced me she deserves my attention.

She ignores me and go and votes Tigerrr. Why? because she know she will be exposed in a battle, townie Michelle would of still went 1 on 1 with me even if she knows she gonna lose. But this time she avoided me completely and went for another vote completely. Michelle stated that she was gonna tunnel me to death and when she was questioned by it she voted the player who questioned her LMAO. Like hello guys?

yes, your intentions are transparent

She makes up some bs reason for voting tigerrr because she simply questioned her.

You want to see my fight with SK and because i said will not happen you are pressing me for a reason.
It is obvious you want a fight itt to clog it and make it hard to read, and this attitude is antitown.
You didn't say you want to see more from me, you asked why i won't fight with him. You learned indeed to switch words but i can see the reason of your posts.

This post tells me one thing about you Michelle, you are a hypocrite. You stated that you are not afraid of me and that you wanted to fight me and expose me right? But here you are voting someone else for the very SAME thing you wanted to do. You wanted to tunnel me to death and literally fight me 1 on 1. But now you take a step back and voting someone else for the same thing you wanted to do with me? Because they simply asked you why?

I am playing against my meta, so i have to explain it. While i am saying this in the open, do you think i would be such a silly wolf to explain my moves?
Come on .

No you come on, you expect people to not notice your scum behavior. You are not TOWNIE MICHELLE PERIOD!


Now, reading this far, if you still think Michelle is townie then I have nothing to say to you. I am a person who literally went to war with this girl for 30+ pages in a row and in many games and I know Townie Michelle and THIS IS NOT TOWNIE MICHELLE. She did not even do anything contribution this game so far which is very unlike her! Just compare her last game to this and tell me in a straight face that she is townie... YOU CANT!!! Hell! I am welling to put my own life on the line here, if Michelle flips townie then you can lynch my ass next DP. I have never been this sure about a read regarding Michelle as I am right now.

Michelle is scum period and my vote is locked on her. If she by some Miracle flips townie you can just lynch me next DP.

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Thank you for reading, with that being said.



Vote Lynched: Michelle

 

[Toujo]

Here is the issue with X. He is making "claims" than I know cannot be true. The issue is, from Day 1 he was strongly pushing for my lynch. I believe he is faking his "red peek" or whatever because I think his main goal in this game is to get me lynched. In short, my conclusion right now is that he is a Lyncher.

His play doesn't make much sense as a supposed investigator. Contrast this with an actual investigator, Luk. At the very start of Day 2, Luk said the lynch should be between him and TAC, and never wavered on that. X buried his investigator "claim" within a large post, and barely even tried to get the rest of the town to push with his supposed red peek. Almost like it was a throwaway attempt to push the lynch, and futile in what Luk had done. Now that I called attention to it, X is pushing it far more strongly now after I called attention to it, because he knows he can't back away from it now.

Here is the deal. X is not Town this game. I really can't reconcile his play as town. This may be easy for me to say, but I think my posts towards him have demonstrated why that is. Usually, I should, objectively, be the lynch here. But given the liklihood of him being a lyncher (which is fairly high, and you need only recheck his DP1 posts to confirm he was indeed trying to push the lynch onto me before any investigation informed his behaviour), and so I don't think standard process should apply here. X should be lynched today. If he flips Town and an Investigator of some kind, I should be vigged the following Night. I really don't think he will, but I'm saying this to cover as much ground as I can. If he is indeed what he purports to be, then all I can surmise is that some kind of framing has been in place. Easy for me to say I know, and I doubt many people will listen or read this anyway, but eh, I might as well try. Wasting an extra lynch on me will likely end the game in this scenario.

If I end up lynched, I can only stress that there is nothing I personally have done that would result in a red check.

In that event, the players that should be looked into (after X, of course) would be Soul and Ryu. I would feel a lot better about Soul if a lot of his points I hadn't already made for myself. Now that could mean we just see the same things, which would be nice, but this is why I wanted that post from him much earlier. Ryu hasn't remotely tried to solve the game at all, in fact he has barely done anything at all. I really don't think Tigerr is scum, and I feel like Michelle is playing awfully passively - I don't entirely buy the meta excuse, but I don't know if that's enough to lynch. I can go through players again closer to the flip, this I hope is not my last post here, but I wanted to make it now while I still can in case any more early ay ending shenanigans are afoot.

In any case, I advise we finish up this X vs me thing today. If that means I'm lynched, so be it. I've done literally all I can to defend it, and I feel like I need only point to X's posts this DP to indicate that he really doesn't care what I'm going to flip, hence my theory that he's a Lyncher. And if you accept that is possible, then the idea of lynching me to test him should go out of the window, because X won't care at all for the consequences, as he would have already won.

 

[SoulKiller]

I want to see Michelle lynched this DP.

Here is the issue with X. He is making "claims" than I know cannot be true. The issue is, from Day 1 he was strongly pushing for my lynch. I believe he is faking his "red peek" or whatever because I think his main goal in this game is to get me lynched. In short, my conclusion right now is that he is a Lyncher.

His play doesn't make much sense as a supposed investigator. Contrast this with an actual investigator, Luk. At the very start of Day 2, Luk said the lynch should be between him and TAC, and never wavered on that. X buried his investigator "claim" within a large post, and barely even tried to get the rest of the town to push with his supposed red peek. Almost like it was a throwaway attempt to push the lynch, and futile in what Luk had done. Now that I called attention to it, X is pushing it far more strongly now after I called attention to it, because he knows he can't back away from it now.

Here is the deal. X is not Town this game. I really can't reconcile his play as town. This may be easy for me to say, but I think my posts towards him have demonstrated why that is. Usually, I should, objectively, be the lynch here. But given the liklihood of him being a lyncher (which is fairly high, and you need only recheck his DP1 posts to confirm he was indeed trying to push the lynch onto me before any investigation informed his behaviour), and so I don't think standard process should apply here. X should be lynched today. If he flips Town and an Investigator of some kind, I should be vigged the following Night. I really don't think he will, but I'm saying this to cover as much ground as I can. If he is indeed what he purports to be, then all I can surmise is that some kind of framing has been in place. Easy for me to say I know, and I doubt many people will listen or read this anyway, but eh, I might as well try. Wasting an extra lynch on me will likely end the game in this scenario.

If I end up lynched, I can only stress that there is nothing I personally have done that would result in a red check.

In that event, the players that should be looked into (after X, of course) would be Soul and Ryu. I would feel a lot better about Soul if a lot of his points I hadn't already made for myself. Now that could mean we just see the same things, which would be nice, but this is why I wanted that post from him much earlier. Ryu hasn't remotely tried to solve the game at all, in fact he has barely done anything at all. I really don't think Tigerr is scum, and I feel like Michelle is playing awfully passively - I don't entirely buy the meta excuse, but I don't know if that's enough to lynch. I can go through players again closer to the flip, this I hope is not my last post here, but I wanted to make it now while I still can in case any more early ay ending shenanigans are afoot.

In any case, I advise we finish up this X vs me thing today. If that means I'm lynched, so be it. I've done literally all I can to defend it, and I feel like I need only point to X's posts this DP to indicate that he really doesn't care what I'm going to flip, hence my theory that he's a Lyncher. And if you accept that is possible, then the idea of lynching me to test him should go out of the window, because X won't care at all for the consequences, as he would have already won.

Michelle, I literally dropped a bomb on her, I am very confident she is scum. Also, I was gonna post the ISO last DP but DP2 ended less than halfway through -.- But yes if you read it you know where I stand. But Michelle is the best lynch this DP imo. What is your thoughts regarding her?

 

[Toujo]

I want to see Michelle lynched this DP.
Michelle, I literally dropped a bomb on her, I am very confident she is scum. Also, I was gonna post the ISO last DP but DP2 ended less than halfway through -.- But yes if you read it you know where I stand. But Michelle is the best lynch this DP imo. What is your thoughts regarding her?

I'm not against a Michelle lynch. I have nothing to defend her with, and I think her play has been terribly passive this game. But I feel like it can be resolved afterwards. From everyone else's perspective, X vs me should offer a high chance of culling a scum member, due to the claims X has made against me. I also think Michelle had some posts Day 1 that gave me something of a Town read, particularly in regards to how she was trying to read me. Honestly, I think a lot of Michelle's play can be considered NAI when you factor in being busy with other games elsewhere. This could also explain her unwillingness to engage with you. That said, I'm not fond of the deflection to Tigerrr, and seemingly ignoring even trying to read you. I really don't see why Tigerrr is so widely scumread in the first place - her play is nothing like last game, the approach feels entirely different.

 

[SoulKiller]

I'm not against a Michelle lynch. I have nothing to defend her with, and I think her play has been terribly passive this game. But I feel like it can be resolved afterwards. From everyone else's perspective, X vs me should offer a high chance of culling a scum member, due to the claims X has made against me. I also think Michelle had some posts Day 1 that gave me something of a Town read, particularly in regards to how she was trying to read me. Honestly, I think a lot of Michelle's play can be considered NAI when you factor in being busy with other games elsewhere. This could also explain her unwillingness to engage with you. That said, I'm not fond of the deflection to Tigerrr, and seemingly ignoring even trying to read you. I really don't see why Tigerrr is so widely scumread in the first place - her play is nothing like last game, the approach feels entirely different.

I would generally would not be appose to this but after going through both of your posts extensively. Honestly, there is a small chance it's TvT here which made it drop in priority for me regarding a very strong scum read I have on Michelle, with you and X I feel like I will flip a coin and hope for the best. Worst case scenario this is indeed TvT and we waste 2 DP's in a row over some dispute that happened at the beginning of the game. If I was not this confident about my Michelle read I would of took my chances but. I know Michelle, I been to countless wars with her and this is not townie michelle. Like, I am literally offering my life here if she flips townie.

 

[Premfection]

Alright, reading Soulkillers Iso:

Alright time to iso this battle that been going on between X and Ratchet.

If my memory serves me right, X made a post stating that he is catching up and about to make posts, he then followed with the following posts.





He started off with addressing who he thinks is townie or scum based on color, while this might seem like not alot it's actually gives off good information on where he stands, better than other people fluff posts and I am assuming he was about to make more posts after? However, ratchet chan did not like what he read and this was his response or reaction.




Honestly when I first saw this, I thought it was odd of ratchet to go hard on X for such thing, I am assuming he was trying to get him to give actual input and push on him to gauge X intentions.







Alright, I feel like X response here was good, he actually addressed the question ratchet addressed. His second paragraph especially the second half of it showed frustration and honestly I believe the frustration it stems from, it does not seem fake to me. However, I feel like the last bits of it was unnecessary, I did not think ratchet was being rude by any means, it felt like he was pushing hard to get a reaction from X.



Ratchet respond was fairly good, the first 60% of it anyways. Felt like he was engaging normal conversation and discussing with X. The last big paragraph of this quote is quite interesting tho, he makes valid point when he asks X why he had 2 other players same color as X indicating that they are townie hardcore from the first 22 pages X read. I went back and checked and it was AngleusSama and TSQ. I found it quite odd why he would place two players in the same level as him if he is indeed townie without giving solid explanation for the reason, I can see why it can be sus.

So yea, didn't get what was wrong with the colors list itself particularly. Plenty players do it that way (instead of town/town lean - scum/scumlean etc), well either way Toujo says in his response to X that it isn't necessarily the read list itself. I guess its more about the context that X was not being around for most of the day phase and then was not presenting details on his reads - I kind of see what Toujo was getting at here then. And yea, its possible they just wanted X to explain their reads more than anything.

One problem I have though is I believe that Toujo should have waited for X to explain themselves or asked for details before yknow "pouncing" on them.

X replied here but he did not really address why he had both TSQ and AngleuSama as the same level as him, I feel like he brushed the stuff ratchet tried to address and paint it as "ratchet you just annoyed at me because I used colors" which is ehh.... not really fond of it. There is also the chance the coloring thing did not work as intended but if that was the case X would of made a comment about it. He then further says that ratchet is having his vote on him because of emotion. But from what I saw so far I did not really see ratchet react with emotion to be honest, he was stating his reasons and I feel like X could of done much better here.

I myself don't really mind them reading TSQ and Angel as town as they are - however I went back to read these posts and I do agree with Toujo here that they are responding a bit too defensively. I reread Toujos first response to X a few times and really didn't see where they were rude to them.

After sometime X made this post and casted his vote on ratchet. I kind of feel like this vote stems alot from the fact that Ratchet pushed X. He made some other reasons but for some reason I don't think X would of casted his vote on Ratchet if ratchet never pushed him.



I agree with ratchet that his argument for voting ratchet is weak, I won't say it's nothing that's kinda going too far. However, I do agree that X did not provide any example or even counter the argument ratchet made and brushed it off as "you mad at me because I used colors to identify my reads". Ratchet then threatens to go after X if X does not step up his game next DP.



This was X respond to ratchet quote above this quote, I feel like ratchet honestly did good in addressing his reasons on why he voted for X but X act clueless here for some reason, I think he just thought that it's so insignificant what ratchet was addressing that it was not worth bothering going over it? I don't think it's fair to compare yourself to alice. You two are very different skill wise, and I feel like ratchet holds you to much higher standards which is why you both are being treated differently. I do agree with you in the matter that he seemed to find poison sus but decided to switch his focus on you entirely. I feel like he was testing you but you did not meet his expectations hence why he kept pushing you.



Ratchet finally came back from his slumber and addressed his situation with X. The first part of this quote I agree with actually, it felt like X was indeed dodging the arguments ratchet pointed out and painting it like nothing. He also had two people the same level as townie level as himself, from where did that confidence stem from? TSQ and AnglesSama.

I also, did think that his vote on ratchet was poor and he would of never done so if ratchet did not push him.

I agree with bolded.

X addressed the quote ratchet made above, let's start with honestly, I did not think about it at first but going back and looking at it you did have TSQ and AnglesSama the same color as yourself which might indicate you view them as the same regards as yourself, now that could of been a misuse of colors in your part and you never really addressed it. But if that's the case why didn't you say so? I have a feeling this entire thing would of not escalated to this point if you did, but let's continue and see this post.

I don't think it's wise to put alice and you in the same category. The difference in skills here is very large and i am not sure why you keep bringing her up and comparing her actions to you. I personally wouldn't give alice the same treatment i give for you for example.

"This is a bad paragraph right here. If I was scum, how on earth would I know what your role is in D1? So for your flip to reflect poorly on me just isn't something that I would have known one way or another. This is also a false representation of how I play as scum and with this being the final thing you said in this paragraph, it really takes away from you trying to give me a point in my favor, no?"

This part of his quote feels like X is misunderstanding some things, I don't think ratchet said you would know his role, but that if you got him lynched somehow it will reflect very poorly on you cause apparently ratchet is townie here? but i will get to that later.

Stating that ratchet is 100% anti town is a bold statement.

Ratchet replied to X but i felt i already addressed the points he made here. So not going through it.

Same thing I was thinking tbh @bolded.

I also think this could be TvT but if its T/W its possible X is the scum out of the two. Toujo feels generally different and not like hes trying to set up anyone for a lynch like last game. The reason I think its TvT though is because I feel X wouldn't be show the same frustration to Toujo if he was scum and would probably back out of this argument and look elsewhere if he were scum imo. I think this could be something interesting to look back on depending on whatever the other one flips if they are killed or lynched but I honestly would like both Toujo and X to look elsewhere then from each other.

Gonna take a look at Michelle now since I saw Soulkiller posted something on them now

 

[AngelusSama]

Are you sure about your read on X @Toujo?

At least Ansa moving on but you seem too fixated on X. When I said he's moving on I mean he mobilized his thought. He looked into other possibility.

 

[AngelusSama]

I'm afraid you're following some game strategy here. You want to reduce town number first before you can seriously jump into Mafia hunting play. You know what I mean by that right? A serial killer.

 

[AngelusSama]

By the way, I actually have no problem dying in this game since my flip will reveal all. Please be suspicious if I am night killed and janitored (assuming scum can still use that ability), though if I was scum I'd push for a mislynch since something nasty will happen to scum upon my death. However, if I do end up as a mislynch, I also have an additional nice surprise for scum upon my death. Basically, scum gets real hurt once I die.

This sounds like you know who's scum. So Toujo is one of them?