I'm going to start;
What makes you say so?
Intro post is coming, but u has gotten busy. Lots of content already in just a few pages, I'm liking this a lot.
Toujo looking cool here. He never shown any slight of concern over the vote.
I believe they are asking for my meta.
Nothing to gather here. He just showing of being helpful here. NAI
Correct, but I was viewing the thread. I guess I'm curious as to what exactly was the issue with the vote though. This is to my knowledge the third vote Michelle has placed this day phase?
Michelle only vote you. I don't know what to make about this. But I just assume Toujo didn't really pay a good attention to the game. Which for me its not really good self presentation for player like him.
Not sure I agree with this. While I am certainly capable of doing so, I tend to stick to my "base" playstyle more often than not. I won't go as far as to say there are no tells that I haven't picked up on that exist within it.
For me the most important things to look at is hunting skill. I put more emphasis on it than player's meta. Player can change their META but if they're too passive or being one dimensional in performing scum hunting that could be they are hiding something bad.
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[IMPERFECTION SLOT]
That's an... interesting interpretation. While I agree the majority of it is superfluous, there are some key lines in there that I feel reveals quite a lot about the mindstate Imperfection is currently in, as well as how it informs reads of others listed within. I'm surprised you haven't seen that, too.
But at this point I want to ask you "what is your first impression on Imp after you have read that post?"
Because you stop from telling us your opinion on Imp himself.
Well the ins and outs will have to wait until I've finished work, but I'd like you to reread the lines where he gives an actual read on people. And then ask - does this make sense as scum? What about who he is giving town reads to. Is he likely to give town reads to scum mates. I don't know Imperfection as a player, so I can't make informed conclusions from this, but if nothing else it's worth noting while his general behaviour can fill in the rest, no?
Ok, an advice post.
A number of players here have played with me before, or at least heard of me. But that, too, is interesting. Imperfection strikes me as a confident player, and one where he would appeal to me by stroking my ego to win me onside. I actually have that down as one of his bad posts in there, as it strikes me as him essentially saying he's not going to bother reading me until the thread decides for him.
I subbed in to one game like two years, but for all intents and purposes yeah it is.
I'm very intrigued to hear your explanation on the bold part. Why are you suddenly having a bad read on that part? After two people(X and Poison) forced their opinion on imp at you. Why not before?
The flow of your thoughts not moving naturally but being forced is what I think here.
I mean the two earlier posts I guess here you have given Imp positive read but after Poison pushed her opinion on you about Imp you then pointed out some bad part inside Imp's post. Looked pretty convenience.
I'm referring to his pregame post, where he claims he's a good player.
Okay, let me try again. You said you need to be paranoid with me. That's fine. But then you said you need to be paranoid with everyone, too. So what's the distinction here. Are you being extra paranoid in regards to me, or am in the same bucket with everyone else? I'm struggling to see here, and it feels like you're starting to throw words out there without care for what they infer.
He said you're giving him extra paranoia because of your status and pedigree. The rest of players still giving him some sort of paranoia but not as high as what he felt on you.
Gotcha. And how does that influence how you come to reads?
This's good question. But this kind of question can be asked by either curious town or curious scum. That's that.
I'd expect that your plays as a scum would manage to throw town in disarray more than the average/new player is all.
^^^^
Imperfection's response to that question
That's not what I asked. I mean to say, if you're being extra paranoid in regards to me, then what are you using to inform your read of me? Or are you not going to try to get a read on me at all?
Further prodding by Toujo on imperfection. But what's the goal here? Ok if we look at this from Scum hunting POV what actually Toujo trying to gather here? How he sees Imperfection at this point? Does Imperfection produced scum tell from his replies? Can you give me an answer Toujo?
Ooh, this is unimpressive. So we've established that you seem to think I'm a high calibre scum player, and... you're reading me town because of activity. Because if this is you being extra paranoid, I have to wonder what you being naive looks like. Would you not think activity is the easiest thing to create as scum?
Bolded - No, absolutely not. You, if town, should never be waiting to see what happens. You should be looking to create your own reads, whether that is by prodding in certain ways, engaging, arguing, whatever. Why are you waiting for someone else to get your own read for you?
This post sounds so townie, I'm not gonna lie. It's actually slap Imperfection on his face. But I wonder what do you think of Imp from that post?
I'm not really have Imp in my scum radar but that post from him and your response to that post really leaving me with bad taste on Imp couple with his inactivity. But I still need to see more from him. I give him till near EoD before I decide his position.
But this is your fourth game though, no? It's not really surprising you'd have a hard time interacting as scum, but it would be awfully strange if you were to use that as the basis for all your scum reads. I'm curious - how exactly do you intend to read me. I believe I asked this before, but I'm not fully satisifed. Are you looking for obvious mistakes? Given what has been said about me in this thread, do you think that's an accurate way to read me?
How is your response be like if he read you as scum because he feels like it or because your meta cant be differentiates between scum you or town you?
Maybe you're going to pull all kind of philosophical talk on him.
Sp... where's the line? What do you use to actually read people? Because all I'm seeing are vague "well I'll probably do this, but it could be that too". It's wishy washy, AKA scummy.
To deal with someone like you that are good with words and made a little mistake possible where there's no line to tell your proper alingment one's going to use some other methods like intuition for example. That's after a player's complete reading you then the line is draw.
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[XTMF SLOT]
No, but I can bring up some scum games from memory, where you never really went for the big time players as scum. Ultra's BNHA game, you mostly went for fringe players, and even at LyLo pushed Ava over myself or Rot, the latter of which had been a confirmed liar. In Higurashi Mafia, too, you moved to taking me off the lynch pool, despite it being viable (for the wrong reasons, mind). This left you in a bind wherein you could only really go for the Neighbours in that game. My point being, as scum I feel you tend to pick safer targets, so your bold play so far is a good indication.
Interesting post. Full of information. Ok we go further...
Well I wouldn't be too glad. It's day 1, after all, my reads are fluid and ever evolving. I only remember the BNHA game because I reread it recently, and your behaviour in there was pretty passive. In fact you barely enganged me all game there. Granted, it was a couple years ago, and I believe you've gotten better since then too, more confident in certain aspects certainly, so take it for what you will.
Are you reading XTMF as scum here?
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[LUKUNDO SLOT]
Hi Luk. You made a post about me not standing out. Given how much discussion is based around my reputation so far, and the fact that I account for almost 10% of the posts in the thread, are you still under that impression?
You clearly standing out so far IMO. But what's not standing out is your scum hunting.
Care to share what these tells are? Because if it's as obvious as a 1 day read, then I would expect it's a fairly simple one.
If you can't see the content, then I really can't help you. Read the thread, maybe?
I've read the thread. Currently ISO you starting from your first post. You have a good point on how scum will play but I'm not so sure about your scum read. For me you seemed like doing the opposite to your read. You're not really following your read. It's like you're having a check point that you need to past and move forward. Jumping from player to player, from your scum read to your non scum read(Michelle). You're not even addressed Poison properly when she's one of you scum read. You're not even talked about Glover.
Ok what actually is your goal towards Michelle?
I've given you plenty. You refusing to engage with it is your own issue. The moment I escalated though, you retreated back into a corner. I can almost see the quiver of your lip from here. It's not an impressive reaction.
Ok I see
When Poison was asking about your thoughts as well as throughout you haven’t once laid them out as a statement. Only alluded to it. It feels like antispew already and it feels disgusting. Your thoughts on people have been vague af
I can agree with this tough.
Can you be more specific, please? I specifically recall giving a read to that very post (a scum one), so either your recollection is entirely off or youre referring to something else. If you would like me to dumb down my language so you can understand it better I can do so, but please don't tell me it isn't there.
I think Lukundo meant this one;
Is that the impression you've gotten from my posts towards him thus far?
You're not giving Poison direct statement/direct opinion/direct confirmation to Poison's question.
You're avoiding for an unknown reason.
What's there to explain, exactly? Is there something you feel I ought to reconsider that would suggest you both couldnt be on the same scum team. Because I haven't seen that. And the idea that all scum must be paired off before one is a valid line of thought is asinine. You really should read the asterisk btw
I like this post honestly
Why are you assuming my default is to look for scum to scum interactions? That's not how I approach this game. I'd like to get a scum flip first. It makes no whatsoever to be drawing conclusions before the first step is even verified.
Ok you are making sense with this post but not your actual action.
...no? A game this size could feature multiple scum groups, a serial, r whatever. I'm not going to disqualify scummy behaviour because it doesn't easily fit into some imagined partnership. This kind of logic only benefits scum, because it places a huge emphasis on in-thread interactions between scum, allowing them to get more of a pass in other aspects of their play. I'll worry about partnerships later on in the game, my goal here is to nail scum.
Ok understood. I hope you can nail an actual scum. Your time is numbered.
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[POISON CHAN SLOT]
Well that's simple. Experienced players are typically more capable of faking town tells than newer ones are. So the paranoia makes sense. My issue is when that leads to players refusing to make a read, as that often is the sign of scum unsure if they are ready to go mano a mano.
This's a response to Poison's post.
From reading this post it tells me that Toujo was really prodding imp to search for scum tell.
But his opinion give a balance perspective.
So I'm at cross road now. I don't have a clue what actually his real read on Imp. Scum or town?
How strong he sees Imp as scum. Its like a bad doctor giving his opinion to their patient. They gave a balance answer(positive+negative) that kept people questioning more. When people actually looking for a definite answer.
Is that the impression you've gotten from my posts towards him thus far?
I think so but why are you responding like that?
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[MICHELLE SLOT]
For Michelle slot I'm going to QUOTE both Michelle and Toujo's post.
Luke plays the same as both AIs as number of posts, lenght, words, votes.
It's all about his valse on the thread who says that he's pushing a narrative or he is uninformed. Tone of posts are way more serious and game related as villager.
My accuracy at Eod 1 in regarding him is around 75%.
I can say rn that his reads he gave me put him in the slight town lean just because he did them.
Huh, Town read? Given your listed criteria, I was actually thinking the opposite. But you know him better than I do. Seems like a rather low level meta read, though.
Tbh I'm not really feeling town Luk that played in one of previous game in here. But to get much better picture I need to ISO him. He talked a lot inside this game. But more towards responding to people than prodding Players.
yes. I am well known for level zero reads. This is my play style.
I never know that.
Your play style is not a valid response to not following your established criteria. Do you want to revise it, or have I missed something, or...?
Or??????
Not very confident. It's a rough impression based in the moment. I try not to lean on meta, both because in this case it's inaccessible and hard to verify. And well, it's meta. That's not to say I'm going to be bullish, but it's going to take a lot for me to back down on the basis of a meta argument.
What about your vote target Glover? You're confident enough to put a vote on him. An attempt of distancing because he's the safest place to land your vote because he's not gonna bite you back? You're more confident to vote Glover than Imperfection. Weird.
Your criteria had Luk acting more seriously as town. That was not my impression of his posting, particularly at the start of the day phase. In fact it was quite the opposite - behaviour which you described as NAI. Do you see my issue here?
You're conflating seperate points here. By missing something, I'm referring to what I'm missing in regards to how you read Luk. As for not having enough town reads, I mean not really. I've got my vote on one person right now, and it's on none of the three on my scum list. To claim I'm simply looking for mislynch bait here is a horrible mischaracterisation of my play thus far, which makes me think you're either not playing attention or your're baiting.
Elaborate on this.
Wow Michelle just accused you of setting a mislynch bait. How? When you're not even push any target on people.
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I have posted many part of posts here and read the remaining posts from Toujo.
I have gathered many things, some of it made my brain working and thingking. Tbh I didn't see Toujo as trying to act like a leader here. He's just responding to someone and addressing something he really curious to know or something that he thought a contradiction. I also didn't feel any agenda coming from him. If he's scum he actually doesn't need to take any action like for example pushing a player. He just play along the line. Responding to people or addressing something. He just need to keep people away from him, that's all. And waiting for town to shoot each other inside this big game. The possibility it to happen is high.
So right now I give Toujo a slight town lean. He needs to complete the other part and be right with it, that's
SCUM HUNTING.
Day 1 is his trial. I limit him at that.
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I need to look at Michelle, Lukundo and Imperfection again.
Oh Poison too
Many interesting points I gathered from this ISO.