Just_Red
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I'll start my appearance with an ISO on three players. What I'll be looking for in my ISO are contradictions, reaching(as in making or taking something much farther than logically acceptable to try to get a specific view of someone seen), incomplete statements(as in saying an idea or thought but leaving it open to mean two have two separate contradicting interpretations. This is scummy because you are speaking without actually contributing your actual opinion. By waiting till someone infers what you did, or asks you, you can complete the statement to fit the narrative that suits you best at the moment.), and lack of a clear stance on players. I'll be looking for all of these because I believe mafia will have these traits, when isolated from the larger context.
Starting with AL_Sama:
Their first post:
Al's next posts can be summed up in a plethora of words, but I think questioning best describes it. All these posts:
Most of his early posts, from pages 1-7 are mostly just questions. Nothing innately bad about asking questions. If anything, this gives me town cred on him. I cant really rail him here either. Those were only the beginning pages.
The following pages 7- 31 are a lot better. Of the 20 posts he made between these pages
2 of them are stances on people:
The following 31- 42 pages [20 posts]: they are different from his first 40. He actually fulffs here:
Does he contradict himself thus far:
No. No post has he made that counters a previous point he made earlier in the thread. But, he has made few actual accusations, or stances on players. So there isn't much to contradict.
Does he reach on anything?
Again, no. But he doesn't push anyone either. The closest to a push he made was this post on Michelle:
Does Al make incomplete statements:
Yes. On that post with Michelle that was in incomplete statement. Though it was a question, I think you can also see it as a accusation to her. But the way it was worded allows AL to change his reasoning behind asking if asked about it later.
This post as well, where he vouches for info lycnhing:
And here too:
Lastly, does Al have a clear stance on players?
No, and yes? No mainly because from page one up to page 40. I have only seen one list of reads from him:
Of these reads, he has only mentioned suspecting two of the people on their: Michelle and Kyte. The other two came out of the blue, with no backing as to why they are there. If anything, they could have been put there last minute to make the list look realistic. Just speculating at this point. But yes, he does have a stance on people. There they are.
Al's latest 20 posts, from pages 42 to 52 are worse. He makes his first contradiction!
Here:
Here:
Anyway, Al votes rej here:
The majority of his last 20 posts are more interactive than his others without a doubt. He is not only asking questions but making statements himself:
Going off my checklist: In conclusion Al had checked off all the things except for reaching. His statement on Michelle is suspicious, and his habit of incomplete statements is as well. The lack of clear and understandable reads need fixing as well. Only two on the read list he made can actually be followed. The rest is pulled from thin air. Now do I think he is scum? No. I have Al as a scum lean. I won't vote him unless he is top lynch for dp 1 or there is a tie between him and someone else.
Starting with AL_Sama:
Their first post:
Was RVS bec he stated no reason. Won't look into it.
Al's next posts can be summed up in a plethora of words, but I think questioning best describes it. All these posts:
here he seems to be pointing out a something or seeming questioning a choice by Michelle, without directly saying exactly. I don't like this post, mainly because it does one thing I consider scummy: states an incomplete statement.
Another question:
This can be taken as a criticism of a pick or just fluff. Whats the point of this post!?
Another question:
and another:
and another:
The following pages 7- 31 are a lot better. Of the 20 posts he made between these pages
2 of them are stances on people:
He asks for reads here and there:
[to poison chan here]
Other than these two things, the rest of the posts are just minute interactions that are neither adding or subtracting to his town cred.
[he was speaking to Touji here]
[speaking to Touji again here]
[speaking to Kyte here]
The following 31- 42 pages [20 posts]: they are different from his first 40. He actually fulffs here:
I have nothing against it, its just rare to see Al fluff is all. Anyway, so now that we are this deep in, I'm going to run him by my checklist scum actions.
Does he contradict himself thus far:
No. No post has he made that counters a previous point he made earlier in the thread. But, he has made few actual accusations, or stances on players. So there isn't much to contradict.
Does he reach on anything?
Again, no. But he doesn't push anyone either. The closest to a push he made was this post on Michelle:
which mind you, can also be considered a slight throw of shade as well. He never took this question off the ground though, he just dropped this accusation the moment he said it. But, if you look at that quote, he also never actually accuses Michelle of anything, he only questions. My point:
Does Al make incomplete statements:
Yes. On that post with Michelle that was in incomplete statement. Though it was a question, I think you can also see it as a accusation to her. But the way it was worded allows AL to change his reasoning behind asking if asked about it later.
This post as well, where he vouches for info lycnhing:
I'd say this is an incomplete statement, because what type info will be so valuable to townie to help us get a mafia lynch next dp? The setup of this game is in such a way that finding out someone role via lynch will still leave us in the dark as to who will be townie or mafia. Its not some TOS or normal mafia match with set roles and formats you can easily identify. This statement, he makes here is incomplete because of that. What type of info will this earn townies?
And here too:
Its indirect shading to mich. again... But it could also not be. From the way he formats this sentence, he could or could not, be saying mich is powerwolfing. Precisely what I find scummy, posts that double speak, giving the poster the power to pull back a statement they made once it doesn't suit them anymore, to look good in the public eye.
Lastly, does Al have a clear stance on players?
No, and yes? No mainly because from page one up to page 40. I have only seen one list of reads from him:
[you here was Michelle]
Of these reads, he has only mentioned suspecting two of the people on their: Michelle and Kyte. The other two came out of the blue, with no backing as to why they are there. If anything, they could have been put there last minute to make the list look realistic. Just speculating at this point. But yes, he does have a stance on people. There they are.
Al's latest 20 posts, from pages 42 to 52 are worse. He makes his first contradiction!
Here:
@bold he lies. He never did that. He never explicitly stated that he had seen Michelle's powerwolfing. Or hinted to having seen one. He only shades Michelle that she could be power wolfing. In fact he states, that he never seen Michelle do this.
Here:
Remember the double speak part I said earlier in this post: "Precisely what I find scummy, posts that double speak, giving the poster the power to pull back a statement they made once it doesn't suit them anymore, to look good in the public eye." Al does this multiple times:
[in responce to Michelle's post]did I say you're power wolfing??
Al decided to pull back the idea that he shaded Michelle power wolfing here. Again he could argue that he never meant to do that. And that's the beauty of incomplete statements.
Anyway, Al votes rej here:
because he wanted Rej to come out... What I find interesting is despite having a suspect list, he hardly interacts with any of them except Michelle. And he chooses Rej to come out and play instead of someone of his sus list to. Just an observation is all though. No conclusions made here.
The majority of his last 20 posts are more interactive than his others without a doubt. He is not only asking questions but making statements himself:
Going off my checklist: In conclusion Al had checked off all the things except for reaching. His statement on Michelle is suspicious, and his habit of incomplete statements is as well. The lack of clear and understandable reads need fixing as well. Only two on the read list he made can actually be followed. The rest is pulled from thin air. Now do I think he is scum? No. I have Al as a scum lean. I won't vote him unless he is top lynch for dp 1 or there is a tie between him and someone else.
