Can Minato beat Gaara in a desert?

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because they don't know his techniques? They're assuming its slime. Why should we take their word over the word of the user? Over databook? You realize neither mention water being apart of his oil? right?
Yes. They are assuming it is slime because it is not just oil. The db clears it up by saying its a water release tech that uses oil suggesting a mixture of both which takes on the appearance of slime. You still just don't want to believe it lol

Except that is what happened Garras sand came in contact with jokey boy and when it exploded only the back and top ( ) look like sludge.
the first scan you provided does not have that feature the second one isn't working for me and the third only has it due to aforementioned oil.
No. The sand shield didn't come in contact with Joki boy. The sand shield was erected to protect the SA from the explosion. And the explosion is as a result of water vapour aka steam. Its right there in the name.

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Starch syrup is a thick, sticky, translucent sugar syrup, which always stays liquid. It contains a mixture of glucose, maltose, and higher saccharides, and comes in a number of different types, depending on the combination of such carbohydrates.

According to google.

The point is its a water release technique that isnt water.

Gengetsu is unique because he made oil, the oil itself is not.

They never stated that its a unique oil.
That is detailing the starch part as syrup as per google mentions water as a primary ingredient. And water release techniques always utilize water. Even when water is still involved but a new element is created, it no longer becomes water release.. just like Ice release. You're really trying to say water release oil utilizes oil only and no water? If yes, the Kishi clearly disagrees with you.

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Right side translation up until the box of Zabuza and Sasuke.

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From attack to escape: a special skill ninjas have that can be used in many situations!

Ninjutsu consists in working the chakra inside you and manifesting its effect over your own body or the opponent. Compared to Taijutsu and Genjutsu, Ninjutsu is more diversified and ninjas use them based on the situation they’re in, to complete a mission. The Ninjutsu has advantages and disadvantages, based on the village and who’s performing.

Styles

Most Ninjutsu can be classified based on their element. For example, fire jutsu are named Fire Release, and water jutsu, Water Release. The jutsu’s effectiveness increases if the user has aptitude for the used element.
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The underlined is clearly incorrect since Jiraiya can make oil too.

Another thing. Garra was in the desert the entire time during the war. It didn't make him a god. He still needed assistance to take on the other kage. He wasn't beating any of them in a 1v1, bar his father who willingly gave up.
Incorrect. The war took place in Kumogakure [ ].. It is part barren land [ ] but clearly a plain barren land does not equate a land full of sand like Sunagakure. [ ]
 

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Another thing. Garra was in the desert the entire time during the war. It didn't make him a god. He still needed assistance to take on the other kage. He wasn't beating any of them in a 1v1, bar his father who willingly gave up.
While this is true you gotta look at the ability match ups.

His father had the same abilities as him.
Gengetsu was a troll.
Mu could also fly and had one of the most OP offensive jutsu

The reason why I say Minato loses this fight more than he wins is due to the fact that:

Minato Lacks the offensive capability to take Gaara down through brute force in a desert. This mean he will need to use finesse which based on his style will be extremely difficult in a terrain controlled by Gaara ESPECIALLY since Gaara can levitate.

Bro is like me saying : hashirama in a forest is op. Like . . . my guy you know quick hashirama makes a forest?Its literally 1 jutsu away. For all 3 of them.

Another thing to note Unless were saying jokey boy is faster than minato then even on foot minato can evade literally all of his attacks.
It's all situational as shinobi get better advantages depending on environment. Kabuto in/out a cave without EDO is another great example.

But anyways:

I'm sure Minato could beat Gaara before he converts the land into a Desert. His sand creation is a timely snowball affect as he uses his gourd sand to start the process. Gaara can't create sand from nothing meaning he takes more time than it takes for minato to speed blitz and finesse him.

As for Hashirama and Kisame:

They both canonically can create their environment instantly through pure chakra however Kisame can't control his environment. Infact you could say Kisame high tier success is completely dependent on his ability to create his own water since most his moves require it. A small lake? Sure Minato could take him. In a Ocean? Nothing stopping Kisame from spamming sharks while being submerged deep enough to not be harmed.


Hashirama is the best of both worlds as he can instantly create AND control his environment. which is why I believe he beats Minato relatively easy. In fact he beats most people because of the fact that he makes his battleground and uses it very well.


EVEN if you don't agree with me at least agree to this. At the end of the day Minato could just Flee as he would be smart enough to know he is at a disadvantage lol
 
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While this is true you gotta look at the ability match ups.

His father had the same abilities as him.
Gengetsu was a troll.
Mu could also fly and had one of the most OP offensive jutsu
Actually his father was limited to gold dust, so even then garra still had more of his "element" at his disposal.
The fact that gengetsu told him his abilities and was assisting him during the fight and he still needed the assist should show that desert garra aint all that different from regular garra.
Fitting of a kage, espically since unlike everyone else there he wasn't giving out handouts and freebies.

The reason why I say Minato loses this fight more than he wins is due to the fact that:

Minato Lacks the offensive capability to take Gaara down through brute force in a desert. This mean he will need to use finesse which based on his style will be extremely difficult in a terrain controlled by Gaara ESPECIALLY since Gaara can levitate.
But the thing is garra can levitate with or without a desert, and he only needs 1 sand tsunami to turn any arena bar the inside of a building into a desert. So if minato were to have difficulty reaching an airborne garra that wouldn't change unless something stops garra from being airborne.



It's all situational as shinobi get better advantages depending on environment. Kabuto in/out a cave without EDO is another great example.
The only advantage kabuto gets from the cave is sight. All of his techs still function the same. White rage doesnt need a cave to be powerful. Inorganic art (as shown by kaguya in a sense) isnt limited to a cave. Tayuya's flute still works outside of a cave etc etc etc. In Fact there's very few shinobi that gain a true advantage based off of location. Suigetsu is like literally the only one that comes to mind, since he lacks the ability to create an ocean,


But anyways:

I'm sure Minato could beat Gaara before he converts the land into a Desert. His sand creation is a timely snowball affect as he uses his gourd sand to start the process. Gaara can't create sand from nothing meaning he takes more time than it takes for minato to speed blitz and finesse him.
It isn't a snowball effect. Even back in part 1 he considered it

As for Hashirama and Kisame:

They both canonically can create their environment instantly through pure chakra however Kisame can't control his environment. Infact you could say Kisame high tier success is completely dependent on his ability to create his own water since most his moves require it. A small lake? Sure Minato could take him. In a Ocean? Nothing stopping Kisame from spamming sharks while being submerged deep enough to not be harmed.
on 30% chakra he created a small lake. The real kisame would pull off something far greater than that. Something akin to an sea or even a ocean, instantly putting any shinobi into the bold situation.
It's not like they're spending hours setting up. Its literally 1 jutsu. For all 3 of them.

Garra's setup:
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and thats a part 1 feat, still only 1 jutsu

Kisame's setup:
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And thats a 30% clone's feat.


Hashirama is the best of both worlds as he can instantly create AND control his environment. which is why I believe he beats Minato relatively easy. In fact he beats most people because of the fact that he makes his battleground and uses it very well.
I don't see how this doesn't apply to kisame or gaara. The only real difference is hashirama's ability to control wood even after he cast the jutsu whereas the other two would have to do a new jutsu to initiate control again.


EVEN if you don't agree with me at least agree to this. At the end of the day Minato could just Flee as he would be smart enough to know he is at a disadvantage lol
I was never arguing that. Given gaara's fight style unless in an enclosed space minato is always at a disadvantage. I just think minato beats him in spite of it.


Yes. They are assuming it is slime because it is not just oil. The db clears it up by saying its a water release tech that uses oil suggesting a mixture of both which takes on the appearance of slime. You still just don't want to believe it lol
It ends at the bold, those assumptions became debunked when he flat out says its oil. Why didn't he call it slime as well? Expically when hes openly telling them his techniques and abilities?
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Its clear as day that they are easily confused yet youre still touting their word over his? Sorry imma have to disagree.


No. The sand shield didn't come in contact with Joki boy. The sand shield was erected to protect the SA from the explosion. And the explosion is as a result of water vapour aka steam. Its right there in the name.


More scans: [ ]-[ ]. The one you said doesn't work for you: [ ]
again those scans only show the sliding snad at lower parts where as the clumpiness i pointed out is from the top.



That is detailing the starch part as syrup as per google mentions water as a primary ingredient. And water release techniques always utilize water. Even when water is still involved but a new element is created, it no longer becomes water release.. just like Ice release. You're really trying to say water release oil utilizes oil only and no water? If yes, the Kishi clearly disagrees with you.
thats what makes gengetsu unique no? I Mean that's what it clearly stated in DB:"He has a unique water release that uses oil"

Why doesnt it say it uses slime that resembles oil? why doesn't he say that its slime? or an oil and water mixture?


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Right side translation up until the box of Zabuza and Sasuke.



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Kishi's word isn't perfect he's broken his own rules plenty of times.

Hot ash with no fire whatsoever:
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still fire release.

Let alone we jump into something like lava release which means everything from actual lava to Rubber.

The underlined is clearly incorrect since Jiraiya can make oil too.
jman's oil isn't water release. So yeah gengetsu trill retains his uniqueness.


Incorrect. The war took place in Kumogakure [ ].. It is part barren land [ ] but clearly a plain barren land does not equate a land full of sand like Sunagakure. [ ]
Desert:A desert is a barren area of landscape where little precipitation occurs and consequently living conditions are hostile for plant and animal life. Now i can be an Smartass and say Yeah minato beats him here:
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cuz technically its a desert. But im not gonna be like you and say it isn't a desert by showing a picture of inside the village and then assume that the land of lightning doesn't contain deserts despite being shown otherwise. And i mean a Hot and dry desert filled with sand because that much is clear as day:

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the rock pillars dont change that.
 

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Minato wins neg diff.

Minato warps Gaara to the ocean like he did the Juubi tailed beast all and then obliteraes.

Or he simply goes into bijuu mode and obliterates Gaara with a kyubi tailed beast ball, end of fight.
 

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It ends at the bold, those assumptions became debunked when he flat out says its oil. Why didn't he call it slime as well? Expically when hes openly telling them his techniques and abilities?
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Its clear as day that they are easily confused yet youre still touting their word over his? Sorry imma have to disagree.
As at the point he started using the technique, his salt had reached max levels and he was no longer assisting the SA. And c'mon man. They might be fodders but that doesn't mean they are flat out unintelligent and wouldn't be able to distinguish Oil from Slime. That makes no sense.

Not to mention its in universe narration? They called it as they saw it and what they saw was a slime. Oil is more viscous than water is so if it happens to be able to mix with water, it's going to look more like an oily substance and why Gengetsu probably still calls it Oil by name.

I don't see a sand shield and it would be incredible if you tell me the sand that was in contact with the doll there is the one that Gaara put at the surface of a protective sand shield.

Again, the explosion was water vapor and we literally see Hail falling as a result of it in that scan. And this was how Gaara was protected by the explosion btw. [ ].


thats what makes gengetsu unique no? I Mean that's what it clearly stated in DB:"He has a unique water release that uses oil"
Why doesnt it say it uses slime that resembles oil? why doesn't he say that its slime? or an oil and water mixture?
Yes.. because its a mixture. Not just one or the other. The Db doesn't necessarily always point out everything that has been established in the manga.

Kishi's word isn't perfect he's broken his own rules plenty of times.

Hot ash with no fire whatsoever:
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still fire release.

Let alone we jump into something like lava release which means everything from actual lava to Rubber.
True.. but clearly not in this case. You're really not getting this release thing? Naruto literally says "hot" in that scan suggesting he could get burned? What element is it then supposed to be? The technique can be linked back to the release logically. That's how it has worked in the series.

jman's oil isn't water release. So yeah gengetsu trill retains his uniqueness.
Gengetsu has access to oil just like Jman. But when using it in conjunction with his water release, it makes it unique to him only suggesting he has the ability to mix them both and that's what was weakening Gaara's sand.

Desert:A desert is a barren area of landscape where little precipitation occurs and consequently living conditions are hostile for plant and animal life. Now i can be an Smartass and say Yeah minato beats him here:
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cuz technically its a desert. But im not gonna be like you and say it isn't a desert by showing a picture of inside the village and then assume that the land of lightning doesn't contain deserts despite being shown otherwise. And i mean a Hot and dry desert filled with sand because that much is clear as day:

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the rock pillars dont change that.
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The Five Great Shinobi Countries
Many countries, both large and small, share the continent where Konoha is located. Every country backs their economic power with military might in the form of a shinobi village, but Lightning, Water, Earth, Wind and Fire have particularly strong shinobi villages, and are known as the Five Great Shinobi Countries

Land of Lightning: The name comes from the thunder that echoes through the mountains. Th peninsula is divided down the middle by a great mountain range, and rivers run from the range to the winding cliffs at the short, giving the coast a forbidden beauty. Many hot springs dot the land.

I'm not arguing that it wasn't a desert. I'm saying it wasn't a sandy one. The village image was so you could get an idea of what i was saying.

But the location with the rock formations wasn't a sandy one. . The image you linked is a far off zoom of this. . Like literally the next page. Also might not mean much, but even the animation doesn't have it as a sandy barren land. [ ]

Gaara won't have needed to touch the sand-less ground or have his gourd sand while he was trying to stop the meteor if the location provided the same comforts as his sand village
 
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Gaara always fight in sand and even with sand advantage he was defeated by Deidara, even with sand advantage he had no way catching Muu or 3T Madara, so against Minato who is most likely the third/fourth strongest Kage in history, who is also specialized in speed, he will simply get overwhelmed in no time and striked to death faster than an eye can see.
Low diff win for Minato no matter what's the location is. neg diff in a neutral area.
 

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As at the point he started using the technique, his salt had reached max levels and he was no longer assisting the SA.
false He didnt stop asisting the sa until
And c'mon man. They might be fodders but that doesn't mean they are flat out unintelligent and wouldn't be able to distinguish Oil from Slime. That makes no sense.
Obito one of the smartest people in the manga for something else entirely despite having inhanced perception due to sharingan.

and both couldn't figure out kamui despite being again some of the smartest ppl in the manga.

So i'm not putting it pass no names to be unable to tell any differences.

Not to mention its in universe narration?
No it isn't. Thats an insane reach.


They called it as they saw it and what they saw was a slime.
And jokey boy is :lmao: seriously now. Their credibility is as non existent as their names.


Oil is more viscous than water is so if it happens to be able to mix with water, it's going to look more like an oily substance and why Gengetsu probably still calls it Oil by name.
the viscosity of oil depends on its temperature, and the type of oil it is. So that bold theory is out the window. Underline is an assumption, which would only have credibility if your premise was true. You're not gonna revolving door me. If they're calling it slime then he too should call it slime.


I don't see a sand shield and it would be incredible if you tell me the sand that was in contact with the doll there is the one that Gaara put at the surface of a protective sand shield.

Again, the explosion was water vapor and we literally see Hail falling as a result of it in that scan. And this was how Gaara was protected by the explosion btw. [ ].
there a wall of sand infront of garra and onnoki.



Yes.. because its a mixture. Not just one or the other. The Db doesn't necessarily always point out everything that has been established in the manga.
except that its never been established. Little known fact oil can be perceived as slimy without water. Seriously now you called upon db to try prove your point only to question its validity when it doesn't agree with you.



True.. but clearly not in this case. You're really not getting this release thing? Naruto literally says "hot" in that scan suggesting he could get burned? What element is it then supposed to be? The technique can be linked back to the release logically. That's how it has worked in the series.
Is there any fire in the technique? yes or no? Cuz according to you it has to have fire.

Do you want another example from another element?

Heres making
Are we gonna link that technique back to earth release? Nope.

Heres a lava release that has nothing to do with lava:
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Its a cloud of ash

Heres another lava tech that has nothing to do with lava:

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Its not lava but acidic mud, according to DB4

Heres another lava tech that has nothing to do with lava:
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Thats cement.

All this does is prove my initial point that the just because it has a specific chakra nature attached to it the jutsu that comes out can be slightly or completely different.
Such as Lightning style producing earth pillars(as shown above), Fire style producing Only ash(as shown in the previous post), and lava style producing, acid mud, quicklime cement, and Ash clouds. So water style producing oil, is fairly tame tim comparison.


Gengetsu has access to oil just like Jman. But when using it in conjunction with his water release, it makes it unique to him only suggesting he has the ability to mix them both and that's what was weakening Gaara's sand.
Dont butcher the databook. Word for word what it says:

"He has a unique water release that uses oil"
Meaning his water release gives gim oil. He's the only one that has that ability. Jman's water release does no such thing. So bringing him up is pointless.


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The Five Great Shinobi Countries
Many countries, both large and small, share the continent where Konoha is located. Every country backs their economic power with military might in the form of a shinobi village, but Lightning, Water, Earth, Wind and Fire have particularly strong shinobi villages, and are known as the Five Great Shinobi Countries

Land of Lightning: The name comes from the thunder that echoes through the mountains. Th peninsula is divided down the middle by a great mountain range, and rivers run from the range to the winding cliffs at the short, giving the coast a forbidden beauty. Many hot springs dot the land.

I'm not arguing that it wasn't a desert. I'm saying it wasn't a sandy one. The village image was so you could get an idea of what i was saying.
except for the fact that you literally see it is a sandy one.

But the location with the rock formations wasn't a sandy one. .
thats a different location all together, killer be and naruto still had to travel to garra, and travel quite a distance before reaching the, fighting both itachi and nagato. TRy again

The image you linked is a far off zoom of this. . Like literally the next page. Also might not mean much, but even the animation doesn't have it as a sandy barren land. [ ]
Cuz you dont seem to get it:
garra sensing via sand he mixed with pre existing sand:
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Multiple wide shots of the location where muu is:
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Its a desert.

Gaara won't have needed to touch the sand-less ground or have his gourd sand while he was trying to stop the meteor if the location provided the same comforts as his sand village
1. Thats land that just got decimated by two meteors the size of mountains, and a literal forest.
2.Garra didn't use his gourd sand in the second scan.

Ending points: Gengetsu, and DB, dissagree with you. Slime=/=oil and water, since it can be literally any liquid, and the word itself is open to interpretation. Oil however is not. Oil is what was used twice.
 

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false He didnt stop asisting the sa until
No.. that's when the SA realized and he himself also realized. He truly had no intention of helping them well before that [ ]. He could have as well yelled out his location the way he was doing prior but he didn't.

Obito one of the smartest people in the manga for something else entirely despite having inhanced perception due to sharingan.

and both couldn't figure out kamui despite being again some of the smartest ppl in the manga.

So i'm not putting it pass no names to be unable to tell any differences.
Except Obito cleared up his misunderstanding straight away which makes sense seeing as he was using chakra vision and saw chakra at first much like it was in the war with the insect jamming technique..

And c'mon man. Are you really comparing being able to tell that 'this substance is Oil' to discerning the workings a space time technique?

And jokey boy is :lmao: seriously now. Their credibility is as non existent as their names.
Again, they called it as they saw it. The smile wasn't in a physical form.. Just literally a smile appearing out of nowhere. This retort would have been valid if it was still called a Genjutsu when it shrunk and took physical form [ ].

the viscosity of oil depends on its temperature, and the type of oil it is. So that bold theory is out the window. Underline is an assumption, which would only have credibility if your premise was true. You're not gonna revolving door me. If they're calling it slime then he too should call it slime.
Didn't know about the bold. Thanks. The underlined is even more intriguing. Based on that, is Toad Oil the same as the Oil in Gengetsu's technique?

there a wall of sand infront of garra and onnoki.
I still don't see a sand shield there bro.

except that its never been established. Little known fact oil can be perceived as slimy without water. Seriously now you called upon db to try prove your point only to question its validity when it doesn't agree with you.
Bold is going too far now. The Db description literally says a unique water release. Why is it a unique water release? Because it uses Oil. What he was doing was basically Suigetsu's Hydrification technique but in this case Oil was mixed in. That's what the db was referring to and what Gaara says . The statement suggests it is neither Oil nor Water but a mix of both.

Is there any fire in the technique? yes or no? Cuz according to you it has to have fire.

Do you want another example from another element?

Heres making
Are we gonna link that technique back to earth release? Nope.

Heres a lava release that has nothing to do with lava:
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Its a cloud of ash

Heres another lava tech that has nothing to do with lava:

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Its not lava but acidic mud, according to DB4

Heres another lava tech that has nothing to do with lava:
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Thats cement.

All this does is prove my initial point that the just because it has a specific chakra nature attached to it the jutsu that comes out can be slightly or completely different.
Such as Lightning style producing earth pillars(as shown above), Fire style producing Only ash(as shown in the previous post), and lava style producing, acid mud, quicklime cement, and Ash clouds. So water style producing oil, is fairly tame tim comparison.
- That first point is disappointing man. Go back.. i said the technique can be linked back to the release logically not that the element must always be present. The syrup case is an example.

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You're basically telling me if i couldn't get this db scan, you won't accept that ash is as a result of fire?

- Clearly see the Bzaaap Sfx suggesting lightning was emitted from those pillars. Logically linked back to lightning release. Would it be an Earth release and use lightning element? No. Please don't tell me you will need to see a translation from the db.

- Clearly not a cloud of ash if it is wrapping around the horn guy man. Name says Ash Stone. Ash = Fire, Stone = Earth. Fire + Earth = Lava.

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Youton Youkai no Jutsu

Manipulating the strong acid of a large volcanic mud flow to corrode ones flesh.

For Godaime Mizukage it's possible to use the Youton Kekkai Genkai. inside her body, chakra is changed into strong acidic fluid, everything is melted by the dangerous Jutsu. Out of the mouth gushes (blasts) out a quantity of viscous fluid, the shape and amount is at the liberty of the Jutsu's users. When spit forth at short range it's speed drastically increases (I'm pretty sure?), a wall that obstructs ones path, to use in more than one direction is feasible.

distributes viscous liquid across a vast range/scope, creating an acid wall. Anything that touches it will crumble and loose it's shape.

Volcanic mud. The literal translation is even Lava monster Jutsu but you are trying to discredit that? C'mon man. You're free to bring the translation that refers to it as acidic mud btw.

- [ ].

Limestone (literal earth) + Fire = Quicklime.


Dont butcher the databook. Word for word what it says:



Meaning his water release gives gim oil. He's the only one that has that ability. Jman's water release does no such thing. So bringing him up is pointless.
No that's not it. He has access to Oil on its own. Joki boy is proof of this. Water release uses Oil means water techniques that can be mixed with Oil.

except for the fact that you literally see it is a sandy one.

thats a different location all together, killer be and naruto still had to travel to garra, and travel quite a distance before reaching the, fighting both itachi and nagato. TRy again
What? Those are literally the same rock formations that are in the Gaara location. So one side that has those formations is in a sandy place while the other is not? Don't get that logic.

That Naruto and Bee went ahead and fought Itachi in a location with trees, a river and all doesn't mean they can't have passed the location Gaara was on their way.

Cuz you dont seem to get it:
garra sensing via sand he mixed with pre existing sand:
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Its a desert.
No i don't get it bro. You are looking at the minute sand grains under Muu's feet and you are seeing a large volume of sand? You are looking at of the ground and you're still seeing a large volume of sand?

Bold: Again, i am not disputing that obvious fact. But clearly the amount of sand we can see in the closeups does not compare to one you would see in a sandy af desert.

You would definitely be able to pack a lot of surface sand from as opposed to and they are both deserts.

1. Thats land that just got decimated by two meteors the size of mountains, and a literal forest.
2.Garra didn't use his gourd sand in the second scan.
- A literal forest changes the topography of the ground from desert sand to flat rock bed? And no meteors crashing wouldn't level the land into a smooth flat surface. Peep the Kage's foothold as opposed to .

- His sand is clearly active though. [ ]
 

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^ i can do a long drawn oup post replying to all of this but att the end of the day it simply comes down to who you believe.

Some fodder who call oil, slime.
Garra who on the receiving end of the attack.

Or gengetsu who calls his jutsu oil.

Ima belive gengetsu since its his tech, Agree to disagree.

- His sand is clearly active though.
no its not sand the hole of his gourd is literally at the opposite side, where said sand would supposedly come out. But it doesn't since its not sand
 
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^ i can do a long drawn oup post replying to all of this but att the end of the day it simply comes down to who you believe.

Some fodder who call oil, slime.
Garra who on the receiving end of the attack.

Or gengetsu who calls his jutsu oil.

Ima belive gengetsu since its his tech, Agree to disagree.



no its not sand the hole of his gourd is literally at the opposite side, where said sand would supposedly come out. But it doesn't since its not sand
You been convince me. That dude is biased af.
 

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^ i can do a long drawn oup post replying to all of this but att the end of the day it simply comes down to who you believe.

Some fodder who call oil, slime.
Garra who on the receiving end of the attack.

Or gengetsu who calls his jutsu oil.

Ima belive gengetsu since its his tech, Agree to disagree.

no its not sand the hole of his gourd is literally at the opposite side, where said sand would supposedly come out. But it doesn't since its not sand

Very well then. But to be fair, i claimed in my first post here that Gaara actually loses. I just don't think the oil would play a part because oil alone isn't the sands weakness.
 

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In footspeed they do. As for FTG it's useless if Gaara can literally fly in the air while Minato cannot. What is FTG going to do when all the knives are only spread out all over the floor? The fight takes place in the desert, he can literally sink all of the FTG knives in quicksand while he hovers above him in the sky. It's literally Minato vs the desert, what is he gonna do since he can't reach him? He loses.


Gaara can literally quicksand both of them like he did when he quicksand kimimaro. When he fought the Mizukage he still in cased him in his sand, he had nowhere to go. He manipulated sand the size of the village, so no duh he can spit open the desert if he wanted it. The amount of sand gaara manipulated is than what Boss Toad can produce at a time.


Because it was the very same sand that saved the village from being destroyed? That thing was exactly the same size as the village, look at where he's getting the sand from in the first place. The village!
Ftg isn't escape anywhere with that magnitude otherwise he teleports out of the desert. Boss Toads oil is way smaller than that sand, it's useless and I don't understand why that's an excuse.

Gaara would be in the air like he was he fought Deidara. Minato ain't meeting Gaara in the air. If Gaara lifts that sand like he did in the manga, Minato would literally leave that village to safety
Okay lemme break your argument down.
1. You say that gaara has more sand than gamabunta's oil and ftg's range.
2. You say gaara can fly and minato can't reach him in the air.

Here is the answer to first.
1. Sand destroyed by oil.
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Sand despite capturing mizukage still couldn't damage him because of oil around him.
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Jockey boy was too fast for gaara to capture. Unless you think he is faster than minato on foot let alone with ftg.
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Here mizukage despite being captured, managed to get out of sand via oil. This scan essentially proves that even if gaara manages to capture minato or gamabunta, a simple spit of oil frees them.
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Now then minato's speed. Dude is faster than all hokages and marked the land bigger than jubi, without anyone noticing him. And all this without ftg. Add in ftg and gaara is years behind in speed.
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2. Getting to gaara in air.
Food Cart Destroyer jutsu. And gamabunta can jump high. Gaara has never flown too high like kilometers above for some reason. As can be seen in his many fights. Against madara too he was flying lower than full height of PS. May be he can't control his sand from too much distance. And it wouldn't make sense for him to be able to fly kilometers above the land and still be able to use large scale jutsus because then he can beat almost anyone who can't fly.
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And i have mentioned sound genjutsu as last resort.
 

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Okay lemme break your argument down.
1. You say that gaara has more sand than gamabunta's oil and ftg's range.
2. You say gaara can fly and minato can't reach him in the air.

Here is the answer to first.
1. Sand destroyed by oil.
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Sand despite capturing mizukage still couldn't damage him because of oil around him.
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Jockey boy was too fast for gaara to capture. Unless you think he is faster than minato on foot let alone with ftg.
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Here mizukage despite being captured, managed to get out of sand via oil. This scan essentially proves that even if gaara manages to capture minato or gamabunta, a simple spit of oil frees them.
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Now then minato's speed. Dude is faster than all hokages and marked the land bigger than jubi, without anyone noticing him. And all this without ftg. Add in ftg and gaara is years behind in speed.
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2. Getting to gaara in air.
Food Cart Destroyer jutsu. And gamabunta can jump high. Gaara has never flown too high like kilometers above for some reason. As can be seen in his many fights. Against madara too he was flying lower than full height of PS. May be he can't control his sand from too much distance. And it wouldn't make sense for him to be able to fly kilometers above the land and still be able to use large scale jutsus because then he can beat almost anyone who can't fly.
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And i have mentioned sound genjutsu as last resort.
Okay lemme break your argument down.
1. You say that gaara has more sand than gamabunta's oil and ftg's range.
2. You say gaara can fly and minato can't reach him in the air.

Here is the answer to first.
1. Sand destroyed by oil.
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Sand despite capturing mizukage still couldn't damage him because of oil around him.
You must be registered for see images
Jockey boy was too fast for gaara to capture. Unless you think he is faster than minato on foot let alone with ftg.
You must be registered for see images
Here mizukage despite being captured, managed to get out of sand via oil. This scan essentially proves that even if gaara manages to capture minato or gamabunta, a simple spit of oil frees them.
You must be registered for see images
Now then minato's speed. Dude is faster than all hokages and marked the land bigger than jubi, without anyone noticing him. And all this without ftg. Add in ftg and gaara is years behind in speed.
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2. Getting to gaara in air.
Food Cart Destroyer jutsu. And gamabunta can jump high. Gaara has never flown too high like kilometers above for some reason. As can be seen in his many fights. Against madara too he was flying lower than full height of PS. May be he can't control his sand from too much distance. And it wouldn't make sense for him to be able to fly kilometers above the land and still be able to use large scale jutsus because then he can beat almost anyone who can't fly.
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And i have mentioned sound genjutsu as last resort.
You are ignoring the contexts of mangas as I thought. Normal oil would not work against Gaara. Gengetsu said "If I have this oil" not "If I have oil". His oil is special. Gaara's sand blocked Raikage's kick. Minato is not faster than that. Gaara's sand can penetrate his oil and crush him with a Pyramid Coffin Technique because the whole area is filled with sand and this sand combined with his unique sand which is automatic in nature , the sand will automatically block Minato from striking Gaara. Either way he will get stomped. Gaara's Sand melded with Mei's Water yet it travelled through it. If it can travel through water without getting disrupted , then it can travel through normal oil.
 
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