Can Minato beat Gaara in a desert?

[Leathercandle]

Huh, interesting matchup. I'd say Gaara wins more often than not, but Minato could take it as well, especially if he had half of Kurama sealed inside of him at this point. The intel each person has on the other is important as well, because if Gaara doesn't know about Minato's space-time, he could get blitzed (though with such a far start range, a blitz would be unlikely). It would be less of an issue for Minato if he didn't have intel of Gaara, because it would become quickly apparent that his thing is sand manipulation. I'm not exactly sure how marking sand with an FTG seal would work, if at all in the case that the sand was mixed around.

The starting distance and the terrain heavily favor Gaara, so unless Minato has part of kurama sealed inside of him, Gaara would take most rounds probably.

 

[Uverdore9]

Huh, interesting matchup. I'd say Gaara wins more often than not, but Minato could take it as well, especially if he had half of Kurama sealed inside of him at this point. The intel each person has on the other is important as well, because if Gaara doesn't know about Minato's space-time, he could get blitzed (though with such a far start range, a blitz would be unlikely). It would be less of an issue for Minato if he didn't have intel of Gaara, because it would become quickly apparent that his thing is sand manipulation. I'm not exactly sure how marking sand with an FTG seal would work, if at all in the case that the sand was mixed around.

The starting distance and the terrain heavily favor Gaara, so unless Minato has part of kurama sealed inside of him, Gaara would take most rounds probably.

Oil would not work too effectively against Gaara. His sand was could travel through Mei's water without solidifying. His sand defies laws of physics.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Minato has too many options here. Not only has Gaara struggled with speedy characters since being introduced, minato could use food cart destroyer or just summon ma and pa for some sound genjutsu. And dont get me started with FTG v1

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Meh, gaara takes it more often than not due to location, if minato manages to mark his body at any point it’s over tho. He’s at a great disadvantage with his markings and kunai on the ground being able to be moved around/ and or sunk by gaara. I think if minato makes a move and starts a plan from the get go he’s got a great shot, but if he sits there too long analyzing gaara it’s over

 

[FleeOnSight]

This says it all.

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You dont think FTG barrier can eat this up? lol come on bro

 

[Jinrou]

Nope, it was

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somting we know bunta

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The substance is neither oil nor water but a combination of both which is why it was referred to as a

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by fodders. Oily water cannot have the same characteristics as bare oil or water so i don't think they can share the same feats. That it was referred to as Oil doesn't change the fact it wasn't bare oil no?

The Db also confirms and states the substance is unique to Gengetsu only [

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[Uverdore9]

Minato has absolutely no chance against Gaara. He loses terribly. Gaara pulverizes into a pile of ash. His sand only parried with Gengetsu because of it's unique qualities. Mei's Water Dragon could not harden the sand before it got to Madara, essentially it defied common sense, in other words; not normal sand. Minato gets one shotted here, no questions asked further.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yeah except he doesn't need to put oil on entire desert. It will only be used to counter large scale jutsu like sand sunami, ftg can handle the rest. Minato will try to get close in quickly or suddenly because he can't win from mid or long range. Can gaara stop him from coming close in? It will be like tobirama attacked madara in war. I think minato is too fast for him as i can't remember him reacting to anything on ftg's speed. If he has any such reaction feats then show them and i'll concede.

The large scale jutsu I'm talking about is the whole desert itself. Gaara manipulated sand the size of the whole sand village before, Boss Toad's oil would just be a tiny speck of water that you drop in a whole sand box. It's literall too big and there is no way Minato is reaching

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Minato is not too fast for him, Gaara's jutsu speed activation skills are almost as god as hashirama as in instant level speed. He was able to catch Rasa, 3rd Raikage Ay, 2nd Mizukage, and Madara when he was attacking the alliance. The only guy he missed was Mu because he flew in the air.
So Gaara's cqc is slow and trash bu his jutsu speed is where he is top 6 fastest.

 

[Oblivionx]

The large scale jutsu I'm talking about is the whole desert itself. Gaara manipulated sand the size of the whole sand village before, Boss Toad's oil would just be a tiny speck of water that you drop in a whole sand box. It's literall too big and there is no way Minato is reaching

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Minato is not too fast for him, Gaara's jutsu speed activation skills are almost as god as hashirama as in instant level speed. He was able to catch Rasa, 3rd Raikage Ay, 2nd Mizukage, and Madara when he was attacking the alliance. The only guy he missed was Mu because he flew in the air.
So Gaara's cqc is slow and trash bu his jutsu speed is where he is top 6 fastest.

But none of these guys even hold a candle to minato if we factor in ftg. And only kage known for speed was raikage who only has v1 btw and he didn't have his lightning armor on and madara was careless as he was just playing around. Though am not saying gaara is slow in jutsu execution. I am saying that minato is still faster than him. And what do you mean entire desert? Its not like he is going to burst open desert or something. He can only manipulate sand available to him in desert. His sand isn't fast enough to catch minato. And Gamabunta can spit oil on sand that is going to hit minato or him. He doesn't need to spit on entire desert. Its the same way mizukage fought gaara. Just use oil on nearby sand. And Gamabunta can jump pretty high and add the food cart destroyer jutsu. It will come crushing down on gaara. And if push comes to shove, sound genjutsu is last resort for minato as well.

That image you posted, how are you considering it equal to a village? We can see gaara's size there compared to jutsu scale. That is within minato's kunai throw. He can easily escape that jutsu with ftg. And like i said gamabunta can spit oil on sand about to hit him thus rendering it useless.

PS. All this you are showing is considering minato gives him time to use these jutsus effectively. What if gaara lifts all this sand and minato is in front of him with a rasengan as he did to jin madara. Except madara was too fast in reactions but gaara won't be.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The substance is neither oil nor water but a combination of both which is why it was referred to as a

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by fodders. Oily water cannot have the same characteristics as bare oil or water so i don't think they can share the same feats. That it was referred to as Oil doesn't change the fact it wasn't bare oil no?

The Db also confirms and states the substance is unique to Gengetsu only [

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Why would you trust fodder's words over gengetsu himself?

Its gengetsu flat out saying its oil. Not some fodders guessing based on what they see.

Even his trump technique jokey boy relies on The

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to create steam explosions, and chemistry 101 teaches you that oil and water don't mix. And that DB scan only proves my point since its saying his water release uses oil and not an oil and water mixture.

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[Jinrou]

Why would you trust fodder's words over gengetsu himself?

Its gengetsu flat out saying its oil. Not some fodders guessing based on what they see.

Even his trump technique jokey boy relies on The

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to create steam explosions, and chemistry 101 teaches you that oil and water don't mix. And that DB scan only proves my point since its saying his water release uses oil and not an oil and water mixture.

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- That they are fodders doesn't mean they won't be able to distinguish oil when they see it though. Yes Gengetsu calls it oil. But is it regular oil? No. Because its mixed with water.

- Except Joki boy clearly needs the oil and water to be separated though so the oil can heat the water to make it evaporate quickly. This special feature wouldn't work if the oil and water were mixed.

- How then does the water release use the oil when we both know logically oil and water don't mix? If its oil alone, then it clearly shouldn't be a water release technique and it would also not be

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to Gengetsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- That they are fodders doesn't mean they won't be able to distinguish oil when they see it though. Yes Gengetsu calls it oil. But is it regular oil? No. Because its mixed with water.

there is no proof that its mixed. Its just oil.

- Except Joki boy clearly needs the oil and water to be separated though so the oil can heat the water to make it evaporate quickly. This special feature wouldn't work if the oil and water were mixed.

Yet despite being separated it still

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- How then does the water release use the oil when we both know logically oil and water don't mix? If its oil alone, then it clearly shouldn't be a water release technique and it would also not be

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to Gengetsu.

why do you think water release is limited to water?
Water release can create

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, it can create

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. but for some reason you think it can't make oil, despite you yourself posting that it uses oil.

 

[Mellanoma]

Not sure why people trying to give minato the W its gaara IN A DESERT and he can FLY.

This would be like arguing Minato vs Kisame in an ocean

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not sure why people trying to give minato the W its gaara IN A DESERT and he can FLY.

This would be like arguing Minato vs Kisame in an ocean

youre making it seem as if being in a desert changes much for garra. He can turn any location into a desert and then the matchup becomes garra vs XYZ in a desert. Same applies to kisame. So how i see it is if the person was gonna beat them,(in this case its minato) location wont factor since they can change the locations properties at their will. -_-

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

But none of these guys even hold a candle to minato if we factor in ftg. And only kage known for speed was raikage who only has v1 btw and he didn't have his lightning armor on and madara was careless as he was just playing around. Though am not saying gaara is slow in jutsu execution. I am saying that minato is still faster than him. And what do you mean entire desert?

In footspeed they do. As for FTG it's useless if Gaara can literally fly in the air while Minato cannot. What is FTG going to do when all the knives are only spread out all over the floor? The fight takes place in the desert, he can literally sink all of the FTG knives in quicksand while he hovers above him in the sky. It's literally Minato vs the desert, what is he gonna do since he can't reach him? He loses.

Its not like he is going to burst open desert or something. He can only manipulate sand available to him in desert. His sand isn't fast enough to catch minato. And Gamabunta can spit oil on sand that is going to hit minato or him. He doesn't need to spit on entire desert. Its the same way mizukage fought gaara. Just use oil on nearby sand. And Gamabunta can jump pretty high and add the food cart destroyer jutsu. It will come crushing down on gaara. And if push comes to shove, sound genjutsu is last resort for minato as well.

Gaara can literally quicksand both of them like he did when he quicksand kimimaro. When he fought the Mizukage he still in cased him in his sand, he had nowhere to go. He manipulated sand the size of the village, so no duh he can spit open the desert if he wanted it. The amount of sand gaara manipulated is than what Boss Toad can produce at a time.

That image you posted, how are you considering it equal to a village? We can see gaara's size there compared to jutsu scale. That is within minato's kunai throw. He can easily escape that jutsu with ftg. And like i said gamabunta can spit oil on sand about to hit him thus rendering it useless.

Because it was the very same sand that saved the village from being destroyed? That thing was exactly the same size as the village, look at where he's getting the sand from in the first place. The village!
Ftg isn't escape anywhere with that magnitude otherwise he teleports out of the desert. Boss Toads oil is way smaller than that sand, it's useless and I don't understand why that's an excuse.

PS. All this you are showing is considering minato gives him time to use these jutsus effectively. What if gaara lifts all this sand and minato is in front of him with a rasengan as he did to jin madara. Except madara was too fast in reactions but gaara won't be.

Gaara would be in the air like he was he fought Deidara. Minato ain't meeting Gaara in the air. If Gaara lifts that sand like he did in the manga, Minato would literally leave that village to safety

 

[salamander uchiha]

Not sure why people trying to give minato the W its gaara IN A DESERT and he can FLY.

This would be like arguing Minato vs Kisame in an ocean

Are you crazy Minato fans would tell you could FTG the ocean.

 

[Jinrou]

there is no proof that its mixed. Its just oil.

Then will you be able to give a reason why those guys could not tell it was oil?

Yet despite being separated it still

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No that's not what happened. For one,

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has nothing to do with oil and Gaara's sand has been depicted in a free flowing liquid like form on many occasions in p2. Few scans:[

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why do you think water release is limited to water?
Water release can create

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, it can create

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. but for some reason you think it can't make oil, despite you yourself posting that it uses oil.

I think we both know Mist is still water related and a quick search of syrup on my part shows water is mixed in? Either way, its clearly stated its unique to Gengetsu and if that is the case, it is clearly different from regular oil. Yes or no?

 

[Mellanoma]

youre making it seem as if being in a desert changes much for garra. He can turn any location into a desert and then the matchup becomes garra vs XYZ in a desert. Same applies to kisame. So how i see it is if the person was gonna beat them,(in this case its minato) location wont factor since they can change the locations properties at their will. -_-

Not necessarily as you and I both know Gaara takes time to turn an area into a desert as shown when he faced Kimmimaro. If outside a desert gaara is VERY limited since the majority of his abilities rely on the environment he is in. this means he either takes time to develope that environment (Something he wont have vs minato) or he relies on the sand he has (Not enough to combat minato)

Gaara outside a desert. Minato wipes the floor with him. However Gaara being in a fully developed area that he has complete control over puts him at a HUGE advantage.

However when he is in a desert he literally goes up a tier or two.

Gaara effectiveness in the desert allowed him to:
Overtake a V3 Susanoo and its controller easily

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Tanked a Village buster

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Large Area sand burial:

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Those three feats alone show you how strong he is in the desert.

Now im not saying Minato would get wrecked but you have to admit this would be a game of cat and mouse in a desert.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Then will you be able to give a reason why those guys could not tell it was oil?

because they don't know his techniques? They're assuming its slime. Why should we take their word over the word of the user? Over databook? You realize neither mention water being apart of his oil? right?

No that's not what happened. For one,

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has nothing to do with oil and Gaara's sand has been depicted in a free flowing liquid like form on many occasions in p2. Few scans:[

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Except that is what happened Garras sand came in contact with jokey boy and when it exploded only the back and top (

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) look like sludge.
the first scan you provided does not have that feature the second one isn't working for me and the third only has it due to aforementioned oil.

I think we both know Mist is still water related and a quick search of syrup on my part shows water is mixed in? Either way, its clearly stated its unique to Gengetsu and if that is the case, it is clearly different from regular oil. Yes or no?

Starch syrup is a thick, sticky, translucent sugar syrup, which always stays liquid. It contains a mixture of glucose, maltose, and higher saccharides, and comes in a number of different types, depending on the combination of such carbohydrates.

According to google.

The point is its a water release technique that isnt water.

Gengetsu is unique because he made oil, the oil itself is not.

They never stated that its a unique oil.

Not necessarily as you and I both know Gaara takes time to turn an area into a desert as shown when he faced Kimmimaro. If outside a desert gaara is VERY limited since the majority of his abilities rely on the environment he is in. this means he either takes time to develope that environment (Something he wont have vs minato) or he relies on the sand he has (Not enough to combat minato)

Maybe back in part 1, buy any war arc garra is literally 1 jutsu away from turning the area into a desert.

Gaara outside a desert. Minato wipes the floor with him. However Gaara being in a fully developed area that he has complete control over puts him at a HUGE advantage.

However when is in a desert he literally goes up a tier or two.

i don't see any difference. Since as i already stated, hes just 1 sand tsunami away from the location being a desert. Same applies to kisame. On 30 %chakra he sat a lake out of his mouth and instany turned the location to his advantage.

Gaara effectiveness in the desert allowed him to:
Overtake a V3 Susanoo and its controller easily

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That can easily be attributed to onnoki lightening the sand in the immediate area. But even if we don't give him that as i already said, 1 sand tsunami leads him to replicating that feat. But even then youre misunderstanding my argument. Im saying given how quickly they can make more sand/water having it already there make little difference.

Tanked a Village buster

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le above

Those two feats alone show you how strong he is in the desert.

Now im not saying Minato would get wrecked but you have to admin this would be a game of cat and mouse in a desert.

Bro is like me saying : hashirama in a forest is op. Like . . . my guy you know quick hashirama makes a forest?Its literally 1 jutsu away. For all 3 of them.

Another thing to note Unless were saying jokey boy is faster than minato then even on foot minato can evade literally all of his attacks.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Another thing. Garra was in the desert the entire time during the war. It didn't make him a god. He still needed assistance to take on the other kage. He wasn't beating any of them in a 1v1, bar his father who willingly gave up.