Hinata might be the strongest Hyuuga

[salamander uchiha]

Hanabi is stronger

Nothing but facts.

 

[neosmith500]

Nothing but facts.

Pretty sure Hamura chakra adult Hinata beats her. Maybe not without it tho as Hanabi would likely mop due to more training and no kids.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Pretty sure Hamura chakra adult Hinata beats her. Maybe not without it tho as Hanabi would likely mop due to more training and no kids.

Maybe in a 1000 lifetimes.

 

[neosmith500]

Maybe in a 1000 lifetimes.

LOL Hamura Chakra and GF mastery wins..

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[salamander uchiha]

LOL Hamura Chakra and GF mastery wins..

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GF mastery no offense but Hamura chakra is featless. Hanabi has demonstrated the manga version of GF mastery and has personally been trained by Hiashi as successor, Hinata hasn't.

 

[neosmith500]

GF mastery no offense but Hamura chakra is featless. Hanabi has demonstrated the manga version of GF mastery and gas personally been trained by Hiashi, Hinata hasn't.

No offense taken and it doesn't need feats to win this , only logic. If they clash with Rotation purple rotation shits.

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Hamura chakra gives better physical stats in all fields compared to base.

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She survived Momo and kinshiki somehow. Yea Adult Hinata beats Hanabi LOL

 

[salamander uchiha]

No offense taken and it doesn't need feats to win this , only logic. If they clash with Rotation purple rotation shits.

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Hamura chakra gives better physical stats in all fields compared to base.

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She survived Momo and kinshiki somehow. Yea Adult Hinata beats Hanabi LOL

Sorry bro but Hinata doesn't have rotation and has never demonstrated it. Secondly everybody has their own chakra colour purple could be hers. In the anime they make everybody's chakra blue. Naruto's is orange in the movie and thats his actual chakra coiour the same could be true for Hinata. Logic dictates nothing in this instance, since we know next to nothing about featless chakra. That's even if she recieved it. The movie's quite confusing on that part all we know about "Hamura chakra" it was needed to negate the absorbition effect of Tenseigan vessel that could be referring to her natural chakr(being a Hamura descendant).. If it was Hamura chakra like Hogaromo chakra she would've awakened a similar power to what Sasuke did(Tenseigan). Her surviving Momo and kin we dont even know what happened. She survives every fight after she gets low diffed when Sakura heals her. For all we know she was blown back like Katasuke and the others were.

 

[Jinrou]

It's irrelevant to the phrase below:

This doesn't contemplate any exceptions like reincarnates, being at their peak, etc. Therefore it would assume as a valid statement to say "Hashirama / Madara is dead, it is easy to pass someone who isn't improving", which we all know it's not. At the same time, keeping in mind that Hinata wasn't even near Neji's level even at the point of death.

Key word: "Improving"

You saw that and brought Hashirama, Madara and Tobirama as comparisons even though the three had passed the stage where they would experience impressive/large growth with regards to their stats/abilities. Neji still had ways to go with regards to his development and except you can tell me and prove for certain he didn't, this is how it is relevant.

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Doesn't make the statement any less false. Following that statement one could assume that the Last Hinata surpassed Neji in the year jump simply because she "improved" while he didn't. Now to be fair , Hinata after the War bloomed immensely , more so in CQC than anything else. She was still Chunin by the Last but she showed CQC skills vastly above Hiashi's 2 main body-guards simultaneously , and considering every head branch Hyuga ever seen were Jonin level no reason to assume ntn else of Hiashi's personal body-guards.

The Last Hinata has shown high Jonin level Taijutsu, able to fend off multiple of Toneri's battle-puppets simultaneously w/o Byakugan , meanwhile Hiashi's jonin body guards failed to fend off one for each.

But still Neji was on a whole other level skill-wise as a child compared to even adult Jonin Hyuga. They only stomp him due to his low physical stats as a genin , giving him way less speed/power than adults and less exp in the applications of the GF style. None of this applies to early p2 Neji who now operates on that jonin level of stats and already mastered the fighting style way back in the CE.

Tho she has above average Jonin level Taijutsu and physical stats and operates on a skill/speed level way above the average Hyuga Jonin. It still doesn't compare to early p2 Neji much less War arc Neji based on those feats alone.

Early P2 Neji easily beats the Last Hinata in Taijutsu. Operates on a higher speed cap , and his skill is still light-years beyond hers. With Hamura chakra boost this obviously changes the speed cap but without it early p2 Neji would likely still beat even adult Hinata in Taijutsu as Neji is simply that great of a fighter in CQC. CE1 Neji can easily best 1st Gate Lee who would easily best/blitz CE Hinata in combat. Scale it upwards and u can get a glimps of how superior Neji is to Hinata skill and stats wise.

I disagree with a lot of points here. Again you are basing a lot of this on praise for Neji when he battled two individuals who were not only younger but far beneath him skillwise. But then i don't want to go into this lol... I still am typing the reply your previous post and i won't want this thread closed before i get to finishing it xD

Pretty sure Hamura chakra adult Hinata beats her. Maybe not without it tho as Hanabi would likely mop due to more training and no kids.

This however i'm interested in. What makes you say the bold? She had been training a lot under Hiashi by the Last and still got taken with zero difficulty by puppets with no malicious intent. Note that she was older than even p1 Sakura at that point who boldly protected Tazuna despite absolutely zero skills in her first official dangerous mission?

If it is because of p1, then that's disappointing lol. Kishi gave the K11 potential stats and Hinata along with a few members had one of the highest points with 4/5 while Hanabi didn't get one because Kishi had her at a 50/50 of becoming great. Not to mention her personality would have worked against her in a fight against her younger sis. A point made clearly in DB3.

 

[Dremolite]

Hinata with hamura chakra can beat neji.

 

[MightGai]

Key word: "Improving"

You saw that and brought Hashirama, Madara and Tobirama as comparisons even though the three had passed the stage where they would experience impressive/large growth with regards to their stats/abilities. Neji still had ways to go with regards to his development and except you can tell me and prove for certain he didn't, this is how it is relevant.

Irrelevant, again, because the "improving" part is due to Neji's death, rendering him unable to improve, not that he reached his peak (he didn't). Also, doesn't really change facts or the statement: "it's easy to surpass someone who isn't improving", ok, then it would be easy to surpass someone that reached his peak? Like .... Hashirama, Madara and Tobirama?. Nope. And irrelevant

 

[Yahcob13]

It was good until you said Boruto inherited nothing from his Dad. Just the fact that he's a Uzumaki/Hyuga makes him op. He's pretty much guaranteed to have tons of chakra and stamina just being an Uzumaki. That combined with the byakugan potential is crazy. When Momoshiki made that statement it implied the opposite in my opinion. You know how villains get over confident and begin to talk crazy during fights. Thats what happened there. It's like Kabuto saying he's as strong as the sage of six paths.

 

[Dremolite]

It was good until you said Boruto inherited nothing from his Dad. Just the fact that he's a Uzumaki/Hyuga makes him op. He's pretty much guaranteed to have tons of chakra and stamina just being an Uzumaki. That combined with the byakugan potential is crazy. When Momoshiki made that statement it implied the opposite in my opinion. You know how villains get over confident and begin to talk crazy during fights. Thats what happened there. It's like Kabuto saying he's as strong as the sage of six paths.

Kabuto said he was the nearest thing to the sage of six paths and he was. He had uzumaki and juugo clan and suigetsu clan and orochimarus chakra in him. He was pretty much the sage at that point. Think about what he could do to the open landscape. All of his jutsu can bypass chakra structures with the durability of the level of Susanoo.

 

[Jinrou]

Irrelevant, again, because the "improving" part is due to Neji's death, rendering him unable to improve, not that he reached his peak (he didn't). Also, doesn't really change facts or the statement: "it's easy to surpass someone who isn't improving", ok, then it would be easy to surpass someone that reached his peak? Like .... Hashirama, Madara and Tobirama?. Nope. And irrelevant

Jesus.

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What you quoted:

Neji is dead, it is easy to pass someone who isn't improving, let alone when you have powerups and pure eyes.

The bold is the main part of the post. If he had said "it is easy to pass someone who is dead" then your rebuttal by bringing up Hashirama and Madara would have made sense. But he made sure to include "improving" with respect to Neji (the subject in the sentence here who is dead) which makes sense because Neji was not at his peak when he passed and thus can be surpassed.

Hashirama, Tobirama and Madara were at the height of their powers when they met their ends. They can't be compared to Neji which is the point you are trying to make with your rebuttal.

 

[MightGai]

Jesus.

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What you quoted:



The bold is the main part of the post. If he had said "it is easy to pass someone who is dead" then your rebuttal by bringing up Hashirama and Madara would have made sense. But he made sure to include "improving" with respect to Neji (the subject in the sentence here who is dead) which makes sense because Neji was not at his peak when he passed and thus can be surpassed.

Hashirama, Tobirama and Madara were at the height of their powers when they met their ends. They can't be compared to Neji which is the point you are trying to make with your rebuttal.

And why isn't Neji "improving"?. Yes, cause he's dead, like the other examples, not for lack of training. The cause of why he or anyone isn't improving is irrelevant, point he's trying to make is it's easy to surpass someone like that to make Hinata > Neji. Fact is: it's not, both of these.

 

[Jinrou]

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Second , i like how people always try to downplay Rotation as if all it takes is the release of some Chakra w/ a spin as if they can gauge the difficulty using opinions , when Kishi directly addressed the difficulty in comparison to "Jonin'.

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Hinata mastering difficult Chakra utilization with her hands only , doesn't prove she is good enough to do the same from her whole body. The mere fact that War arc Hinata never had Rotation shows that her chakra control wasn't good enough to learn it despite having TLF. The mere fact that she struggled to use 64 palms shows that pain arc Hinata wasn't good enough to use it despite having TLF.

So why would the display of TLF without Byakugan change the fact that she cant emit Gentle fist from her whole body?. It doesn't , especially when we have instances from the Last where Chakra emission from her whole body would've aided her , like when Toneri physically grabbed her wrist and held her. If she really did have the ability to emit chakra from anywhere then she should've sent Chakra into Toneri's arm while he held her , but she didn't. Despite having TLF w/o Byakugan needed. Hiashi was dogpiled and on his belly yet still used Rotation in the Last , so Hinata has no excuses.

I hope this is enough to let u see the flaw in logic ur using.

Good post.. but for the first bold, that is exactly what it is. If you read that scan you posted carefully, the difficulty assigned there is not for chakra emission from chakra points but control of chakra after it has been emitted from the chakra points.

It also says Jonin can only usually utilize chakra from a single body part . Two hands aren't a single body part which probably means regular Jonin generally (but not in all cases) can only transform released chakra for techniques from only one hand at a time.

This could explain why techniques that involve only pure chakra utilization are all ranked A and higher even if they aren't offensive (Mystical palm). Even puppetry which has a C-rank has special praise for the chakra control. [

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So basically, what that scan and the subsequent statement from Tenten is trying to say is: "Emitting chakra from all points can only be done if you know Gentle fist" and the db corroborates this by stating "it is an application of Gentle fist". Think about it. Based on what you say, since it is Jonin level in terms of difficulty, then all Jonin level ninjas should be able to emit chakra from all tenketsu and perform rotation but we know that is not the case.

Instances where chakra envelops other characters don't mean they are actively emitting the chakra themselves. We know chakra normally can't be seen but when its concentrated in high amounts, it becomes visible. [

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Which brings me to the main point. Gentle fist is needed for Rotation, all Hyuga have Gentle fist. However to be able to use it, you need something to be orally said to you as per the DB. That could be how to emit from all tenketsu and no where does it state emitting chakra is difficult. Basically, if you have Gentle fist and know the secret, controlling the chakra for spinning is literally the only problem left.

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Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven (Hakkeshou Kaiten)
Kekkei Genkai, Taijutsu, Defensive, Close-range

User: Hyuuga Neji

An application of Gentle Fist, the other Absolute Defense!!

A taijutsu where one releases a large amount of chakra from their body’s chakra openings to catch the blows from an enemy’s attacks, while making one’s body spin to repel them.

A secret transmitted by oral tradition within the Hyuuga’s Main House, though Hyuuga Neji came up with it on his own, despite him being from the Branch House. It stands in the same league as Gaara’s Sand as an ultimate protection, and was even called the other Absolute Defense. This is the high grade taijutsu that made Neji’s prodigious talent known during the Chuunin exam.

The Byakugan’s nigh-360° field of vision perceives the rear attack, and Kaiten intercepts it.

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Again, your "Hinata didn't do it so couldn't use it" logically can't be valid when we know the technique is taught just like all Hyuga techniques. There is no proof Neji and Hiashi tried to teach it to her in the first place. Hiashi for one most definitely wouldn't because he was one who upheld the laws of the clan seriously. You say the clan changed in part 2 but as at the Pain arc, Hinata had a personal bodyguard.

Hiashi also training with Neji at the end of part 1 doesn't mean the clan changed because there's no where its implied the branch couldn't train with the main with regards to Taijutsu only. [

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The beginning of part 2 would have also been a good time to showcase the fact Neji had learnt a Main technique with Hiashi (TLF) but we know he didn't have it else it would have been shown even if briefly during his fight with himself.

Also we have a timeline of genin Neji learning Rotation in like a month so saying Hinata took over 20 years to learn it "because its Hinata" can't be valid without any special reason hinted in the show.

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Made in Heaven was sorta right in the previous thread with Tenten putting the 64 palms over Rotation. The fact she says "it is the true show of Neji's strength" means she considered the Rotation and 64 palms as shows of strength from Neji and clearly puts one over the other irregardless of offensive or defensive ability.

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[neosmith500]

Good post.. but for the first bold, that is exactly what it is. If you read that scan you posted carefully, the difficulty assigned there is not for chakra emission from chakra points but control of chakra after it has been emitted from the chakra points.

Never said any different.

It also says Jonin can only usually utilize chakra from a single body part . Two hands aren't a single body part which probably means regular Jonin generally (but not in all cases) can only transform released chakra for techniques from only one hand at a time.

I never addressed this since Chakra points in the whole body simultaneously >>>2 limbs by far.

This could explain why techniques that involve only pure chakra utilization are all ranked A and higher even if they aren't offensive (Mystical palm). Even puppetry which has a C-rank has special praise for the chakra control. [

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So basically, what that scan and the subsequent statement from Tenten is trying to say is: "Emitting chakra from all points can only be done if you know Gentle fist" and the db corroborates this by stating "it is an application of Gentle fist". Think about it. Based on what you say, since it is Jonin level in terms of difficulty, then all Jonin level ninjas should be able to emit chakra from all tenketsu and perform rotation but we know that is not the case.

You misunderstood me. The chakra utilization from all tenketsu simultaneously is what i compared to the usual Jonin level of control using only a single limb. The difficulty level of utilizing Chakra from all Tenketsu is without a doubt showed to be above Jonin level as even Jonin find it hard to control such Chakra from a single limb , much less whole body. Hinata can do both palms simultaneously which is great , but that obviously pales in comparison to the whole body.

I never said nor tried to imply that every Ninja can release Chakra from every single Tenketsu to utilize like a Hyuga. I only referenced that Kishi directly addresses the difficulty in comparison to the usual Jonin. The difficulty of controlling chakra from every Tenketsu is something ur not addressing and blatantly downplaying , yet the Author made sure not to.

Kishi directly says utilization of chakra from chakra-points is difficult to control , even for the very few Chakra points in the palms , Jonin find it hard to manage even that , yet ur acting as if all it takes is a simple oral lesson to gain that level of Chakra control despite Kishi's notation on the matter about difficulty. Doesn't make any sense at all bro , not one bit.

Which brings me to the main point. Gentle fist is needed for Rotation, all Hyuga have Gentle fist. However to be able to use it, you need something to be orally said to you as per the DB. That could be how to emit from all tenketsu and no where does it state emitting chakra is difficult. Basically, if you have Gentle fist and know the secret, controlling the chakra for spinning is literally the only problem left.

Again Kishimoto directly addressed the difficulty of utilizing Chakra from every Tenketsu so the bold doesn't make any sense. "Jonin find it hard for a single body-part at a time." Utilizing Chakra from every single tenketsu simultaneously would clearly be tiers harder than just the palms.

To learn Rotation the Hyuuga needs to bypass a difficulty threshold that logically cannot be any easier than Utilizing chakra a single palm or 2. Obviously quite the opposite as Kishi blatantly noted.

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Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven (Hakkeshou Kaiten)
Kekkei Genkai, Taijutsu, Defensive, Close-range

User: Hyuuga Neji

An application of Gentle Fist, the other Absolute Defense!!

A taijutsu where one releases a large amount of chakra from their body’s chakra openings to catch the blows from an enemy’s attacks, while making one’s body spin to repel them.

A secret transmitted by oral tradition within the Hyuuga’s Main House, though Hyuuga Neji came up with it on his own, despite him being from the Branch House. It stands in the same league as Gaara’s Sand as an ultimate protection, and was even called the other Absolute Defense. This is the high grade taijutsu that made Neji’s prodigious talent known during the Chuunin exam.

The Byakugan’s nigh-360° field of vision perceives the rear attack, and Kaiten intercepts it.

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Again, your "Hinata didn't do it so couldn't use it" logically can't be valid when we know the technique is taught just like all Hyuga techniques. There is no proof Neji and Hiashi tried to teach it to her in the first place. Hiashi for one most definitely wouldn't because he was one who upheld the laws of the clan seriously. You say the clan changed in part 2 but as at the Pain arc, Hinata had a personal bodyguard.


Hiashi also training with Neji at the end of part 1 doesn't mean the clan changed because there's no where its implied the branch couldn't train with the main with regards to Taijutsu only. [

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The beginning of part 2 would have also been a good time to showcase the fact Neji had learnt a Main technique with Hiashi (TLF) but we know he didn't have it else it would have been shown even if briefly during his fight with himself.

Also we have a timeline of genin Neji learning Rotation in like a month so saying Hinata took over 20 years to learn it "because its Hinata" can't be valid without any special reason hinted in the show.

To cut a long thing short , since u think Rotation is so simple to learn and that all it takes is the right information to somehow unlock the use and control of every tenketsu simultaneously of which u think Hinata is so easily capable of. This can only conclude to one of two things if we followed that logic.

Either Hiashi took 20 years to teach Hinata this "oral code" u find so simple , or she took 20 years to figure it out like kid Neji . Which one do u want us to go with or do u have any alternatives? While ur at it tell me why or wat made it convenient for Hiashi to "decide" it best to finally teach Hinata the oral lesson for Kaiten u find so simple , years after the War where the whole world was at risk. Also tell me why Neji himself wouldn't try teaching Hinata the Rotation over the years , and plz dont say Hiashi told him not to teach her or Neji never wanted to break tradition when he himself is a walking contradiction.

There is also evidence Hiashi already started demonstrating the Rotation to both Hinata and Hanabi as both knew of the jutsu on sight when Neji showed it. Makes sense since Hinata was heir , and Hanabi is the heir.

-Besides that the fact of the matter is Kishi made sure to note that Jonin find it difficult to ultilize Tenketsu chakra from a single body part at a time , much less 2 and even less the whole body. Kishi clearly wanted us to imagine how difficult ultilzing Chakra from "EVERY" Tenketsu would be in comparsion to a single body part or two.

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Made in Heaven was sorta right in the previous thread with Tenten putting the 64 palms over Rotation. The fact she says "it is the true show of Neji's strength" means she considered the Rotation and 64 palms as shows of strength from Neji and clearly puts one over the other irregardless of offensive or defensive ability.

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Nope not even close. Rotation + 64 Palms was Neji's 'true show of strength". He "showed" his defense which Tenten even noted , then he showed his offense. Thats his true show of strength. Rotation was the beginning of the show of strength , 64 palms was the ending. Rotation+64 palms = his True show of strength.

64 Palms w/o Rotation wouldn't be his true showing , neither would Rotation w/o 64 palms as showing one without the other wouldn't be his true showing. I made this very clear which is why Made in heaven conceded.

In that same DB Kaiten was said to be "the" high grade taijutsu that made Neji’s prodigious talent known during the Chuunin exam. Both 64 palms + rotation at that age is equal proof of his talent.

Besides the Chakra control required for 64 palms cant even be compared to whats required for Rotation , as 64 palms is based on mostly raw physical ability.

 

[neosmith500]

Sorry bro but Hinata doesn't have rotation and has never demonstrated it. Secondly everybody has their own chakra colour purple could be hers. In the anime they make everybody's chakra blue. Naruto's is orange in the movie and thats his actual chakra coiour the same could be true for Hinata. Logic dictates nothing in this instance, since we know next to nothing about featless chakra. That's even if she recieved it. The movie's quite confusing on that part all we know about "Hamura chakra" it was needed to negate the absorbition effect of Tenseigan vessel that could be referring to her natural chakr(being a Hamura descendant).. If it was Hamura chakra like Hogaromo chakra she would've awakened a similar power to what Sasuke did(Tenseigan). Her surviving Momo and kin we dont even know what happened. She survives every fight after she gets low diffed when Sakura heals her. For all we know she was blown back like Katasuke and the others were.

Adult Hinata was stated to have "shook the world of Gentle fist with her powers" and is a Master of the Gentle fist. Lets just all agree that she has Rotation as an adult or this will just be another tedious discussion where Hinata is underated which doesn't lead anywhere.

Secondly Naruto used a Blue Rasengan in the Last despite using ntn but yellow versions throughout , so this color thing isn't really a problem when considering she also re-filled Naruto's reserves which completely caught Toneri and Naruto himself off-guard. Toneri then asked "WHY?" to which Hinata answers with , "Hamura's chakra flows within me too" , to his question. If the chakra was natural to her then Toneri obviously wouldn't be so confused until Hinata "TOLD" him. So yea , Hinata has Hamura Chakra its a fact.

Now onto Hinata Vs Hanabi in Taijutsu. The Last proved without a doubt that Hinata was tiers above Hanabi who got captured no diff by a single puppet while in a battle-stance no less. Makes sense since a single puppet can defeat a single one of Hiashi's personal Hyuga body-guards who were tiers above Kid Hanabi. Meanwhile Hinata was able to literally dominate 4 much superior puppets simultaneously as the Cloaked puppets with eyes were shown to be on a different level speed/ability-wise compared to the others , as one even dodged Base Naruto on multiple occasions unlike the set that no diffed Hanabi.

Hinata after the Last and Hamura chakra then went on to shake the world of Gentle fist with her powers. Hanabi being a kid at the time is irrelevant when she had such a long way to go before she even surpassed a personal Hyuuga body-guard meanwhile Hinata was already far above that skill level and only kept getting stronger until she eventually stopped. But watever the case Hinata stomps Hanabi no matter wat with Hamura Chakra and superior skill.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Adult Hinata was stated to have "shook the world of Gentle fist with her powers" and is a Master of the Gentle fist. Lets just all agree that she has Rotation as an adult or this will just be another tedious discussion where Hinata is underated which doesn't lead anywhere.

Sorry bro I can't agree with this, we've been over this once before. She was a GF master in the last also and doesn't display any skills ie (one body blow or rotation) that's enough for me to accept she doesn't have them. I must've missed the part about her going on to shake the world with her GF mastery. Since after she got married there's nothing known about her.

Secondly Naruto used a Blue Rasengan in the Last despite using ntn but yellow versions throughout , so this color thing isn't really a problem when considering she also re-filled Naruto's reserves which completely caught Toneri and Naruto himself off-guard. Toneri then asked "WHY?" to which Hinata answers with , "Hamura's chakra flows within me too" , to his question. If the chakra was natural to her then Toneri obviously wouldn't be so confused until Hinata "TOLD" him. So yea , Hinata has Hamura Chakra its a fact.

Actually bro she didn't refill Naruto's chakra it's disputable at best. Toneri's surprise only shows he's shocked she's able to stop the absorbtion. Hinata's response only confirms that she's a Hamura descendant. Also this still doesn't address the fact that she never awakened the Tenseigan after receiving the chakra if it was Hamura's that is, like Sasuke awoke the rinnegan after receiving Hogaromo's.

Now onto Hinata Vs Hanabi in Taijutsu. The Last proved without a doubt that Hinata was tiers above Hanabi who got captured no diff by a single puppet while in a battle-stance no less. Makes sense since a single puppet can defeat a single one of Hiashi's personal Hyuga body-guards who were tiers above Kid Hanabi. Meanwhile Hinata was able to literally dominate 4 much superior puppets simultaneously as the Cloaked puppets with eyes were shown to be on a different level speed/ability-wise compared to the others , as one even dodged Base Naruto on multiple occasions unlike the set that no diffed Hanabi.

Not really arguable since we dont know what happened against Hanabi as it happened off screen. Secondly the puppets Hinata fought were trying to capture her not kill her as they were with Hiashi, the two guards and Naruto. Somebody not trying to kill you doesn't mean they're going all out but are restrained.

Hinata after the Last and Hamura chakra then went on to shake the world of Gentle fist with her powers. Hanabi being a kid at the time is irrelevant when she had such a long way to go before she even surpassed a personal Hyuuga body-guard meanwhile Hinata was already far above that skill level and only kept getting stronger until she eventually stopped. But watever the case Hinata stomps Hanabi no matter wat with Hamura Chakra and superior skill.

Getting trained by Hiashi to succeed the clan and bot surpass a body guard you can't be serious

On a serious note if you have a quote that she went onto shake the world with the HF after the last I'll accept she's not fodder. As I've stated before she has 0 signs of having Hamurua chakra like awakening Tenseigan if she received anything and thats a big if it was so she could touch the Tenseigan vessel nothing more. And like I've said it's featless chakra the only feat it would allow and has shown is being able to touch the Tenseigan vessel.

 

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Sorry bro I can't agree with this, we've been over this once before. She was a GF master in the last also and doesn't display any skills ie (one body blow or rotation) that's enough for me to accept she doesn't have them. I must've missed the part about her going on to shake the world with her GF mastery. Since after she got married there's nothing known about her.



Actually bro she didn't refill Naruto's chakra it's disputable at best. Toneri's surprise only shows he's shocked she's able to stop the absorbtion. Hinata's response only confirms that she's a Hamura descendant. Also this still doesn't address the fact that she never awakened the Tenseigan after receiving the chakra if it was Hamura's that is, like Sasuke awoke the rinnegan after receiving Hogaromo's.



Not really arguable since we dont know what happened against Hanabi as it happened off screen. Secondly the puppets Hinata fought were trying to capture her not kill her as they were with Hiashi, the two guards and Naruto. Somebody not trying to kill you doesn't mean they're going all out but are restrained.



Getting trained by Hiashi to succeed the clan and bot surpass a body guard you can't be serious

On a serious note if you have a quote that she went onto shake the world with the HF after the last I'll accept she's not fodder. As I've stated before she has 0 signs of having Hamurua chakra like awakening Tenseigan if she received anything and thats a big if it was so she could touch the Tenseigan vessel nothing more. And like I've said it's featless chakra the only feat it would allow and has shown is being able to touch the Tenseigan vessel.

That's self denial to be honest. Feats are not necessary if thier are canon statements.

 

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Sorry bro I can't agree with this, we've been over this once before. She was a GF master in the last also and doesn't display any skills ie (one body blow or rotation) that's enough for me to accept she doesn't. I must've missed the part about her going on to shake the world with her GF mastery. Since after she got married there's nothing known about her.

Thats the Last. I'm referring to Adult Hinata which is years after.

Actually bro she didn't refill Naruto's chakra it's disputable at vest. Toneri's surprise only shows he's shocked she's able to stop the absorbtion. Hinata's response only confirms that she's a Hamura descendant. Also this still doesn't address the fact that she never awakened the Tenseigan afyer receiving the chakra if it was Hamura's that is.

Yes she did. The absorbtion stopped before she touched him. Hinata wouldn't need to confirm being a Hamura descendant to Toneri of all people. She isn't an Otsuki so why would she gain the Tenseigan like Toneri.

Not really arguable since we dont know what happened against Hanabi as it happened off screen. Secondly the puppets Hinata fought were trying to capture her not kill her as they were with Hiashi, the two guards and Naruto. Somebody not trying to kill you doesn't mean they're going all out but are restrained.

She got snagged in an instant , and that much is made clear by the scene as she was seen without any signs of struggle. The puppets not trying to kill is irrelevant when physically beating doesn't require a kill. The puppets were literally all attacking Hinata physically and were not pulling punches. The same way the guards got attacked only the guards could only handle one each , unlike Hinata.

Getting trained by Hiashi to succeed the clan and bot surpass a body guard you can't be serious
On a serious note if you have a quote that she went onto shake the world with the HF after the last I'll accept she's not fodder. As I've stated before she has 0 signs of having Hamurua chakra like awakening Tenseigan if she received anything and thats a big if it was so she could touch the Tenseigan vessel nothing more.

How does Hanabi being trained as Heir mean instant superiority over a trained personal Hyuga body guard who is more than likely high Jonin class? It doesn't because we have no idea when she passed that level meanwhile Hinata was already way above it by tiers. Obviously adult Hanabi>>>>>>>>Body-guards but that isn't the point. Point is Hinata surpassed them long ago meanwhile at the same time Hanabi was far below and needed to cover ground before even thinking of reaching Hinata.

No reason Kid Hanabi went from being tiers inferior to Hinata , to all of sudden surpassing Hinata who would still progress from the Last. Also in regards to Hinata shaking the world of Gentle fist , it was in one of the Boruto db notes. I cant seem to find it atm so im not sure this was a different translation..