The point still stands anyway if you have the quote of her shaking the world of GF after the last then I'll accept that.
Yes she did. The absorbtion stopped before she touched him. Hinata wouldn't need to confirm being a Hamura descendant to Toneri of all people. She isn't an Otsuki so why would she gain the Tenseigan like Toneri.
No she didn't. Her touching him and mixing her chakra with his gave him protection from further absorbition. When she touches him Naruto doesn't once say or confirm she resorted his chakra and neither does she. Toneri's shock was likely due to the fact that he was still absorbing(whether viable or not) and it got cut off. Toneri's surprise further confirms he didn't expect a Hyuga to be able to negate the effects and Hinata's confirmation is that she is a Hamura descendant. Something Toneri overlooked.
Being an Otsutsuki isn't the condition for Tenseigan it's the mixing of two chakra's. Hamura's would contain both (Otsutsuki and hyuga chakra) and would've given it to her.
She got snagged in an instant an that much is made clear by the scene as she was seen without any siqns of struggle. The puppets not trying to kill is irrelevant when physically beating doesn't require a kill. The puppets were literally all attacking Hinata physically and were not pulling punches. The same way the guards got attacked only the guards could only handle one each.
Bro the capturing happened off screen there's nothing that can be verified about how. Even the novel doesn't go I to details of a fight or anything. The puppets and their level can't be established purely because of no killing intent everything there is speculative.
How does Hanabi being trained as Heir mean instant superiority over a trained personal Hyuga body guard who is more than likely high Jonin class? It doesn't because we have no idea when she passed that level meanwhile Hinata was already way above it by tiers. Obviously adult Hanabi>>>>>>>>Body-guards but that isn't the point. Point is Hinata surpassed them long ago meanwhile at the same time Hanabi was far below and needed to cover ground before even thinking of reaching Hinata.
No reason Kid Hanabi went from being tiers inferior to Hinata , to all of sudden surpassing Hinata who would still progress from the Last.
Why not? Hanabi was league's above Hinata even as a kid 5 years her junior she beat her in a duel to become the heiress. She has been trained by Hiashi her whole life she's above(not referring to kid Hanabi although it's possible) the body guards. Your implying she stopped progressing and Hinata continued progressing. Somebody who can beat somebody 5 years their senior as a kid and is being trained by Hiashi constantly needs to be taken into consideration. I for one believe Hinata has improved but isn't above Hanabi for that among other reasons. Anyway do you have the quote for her going onto shake the world of GF mastery after the last?
Another thing to cement the fact that Hinata was given Hamura's Chakra is the fact that the green orb Toneri used on Naruto was able to affect Hinata and put her to sleep easily before she met Hamura. Yet its clear that this same orb no longer has any effect on Hinata as Toneri never even tried using it on her after she re-filled Naruto.
No she didn't. Her touching him and mixing her chakra with his gave him protection from further absorbition. When she touches him Naruto doesn't once say or confirm she resorted his chakra and neither does she. Toneri's shock was likely due to the fact that he was still absorbing(whether viable or not) and it got cut off. Toneri's surprise further confirms he didn't expect a Hyuga to be able to negate the effects and Hinata's confirmation is that she is a Hamura descendant. Something Toneri overlooked.
Being an Otsutsuki isn't the condition for Tenseigan it's the mixing of two chakra's. Hamura's would contain both (Otsutsuki and hyuga chakra) and would've given it to her.
Stop it. Watch the movie and see for yourself. The absorbtion can literally be seen stopping completly before Hinata touched Naruto and until u address this fact honestly we cant continue. Unless ur calling me a liar without even trying to simply look for yourself and make an informed decision on who's right here.
The Bold is just u making up conditions. Only otsuki gain Tenseigan and thats the current fact. What if Hinatas need Toneri's Byakugan for them to evolve to Tenseigan? We have to work with wat we are given.
Bro the capturing happened off screen there's nothing that can be verified about how. Even the novel doesn't go I to details of a fight or anything. The puppets and their level can't be established purely because of no killing intent everything there is speculative.
Bro we literally see Hanbi get blitzed on screen. The puppets having no intent to kill is irrelevant when all attacked simultaneously and never pulled punches. The puppets attacked so as to stop her from destroying the Tenseigan and they all attacked with full intent on "BEATING" her , kill intent is irrelevant unless the puppets wanted to get no diffed by Hinata which they didn't.
Why not? Hanabi was league's above Hinata even as a kid 5 years her junior she beat her in a duel to become the heiress. She has been trained by Hiashi her whole life she's above(not referring to kid Hanabi although it's possible) the body guards. Your implying she stopped progressing and Hinata continued progressing. Somebody who can beat somebody 5 years their senior as a kid and is being trained by Hiashi constantly needs to be taken into consideration. I for one believe Hinata has improved but isn't above Hanabi for that among other reasons. Anyway do you have the quote for her going onto shake the world of GF mastery after the last?
LMAO Hanabi being superior to a Hinata who was held back by her own persona is irrelevant to the comparison of the already "Bloomed" Hinata from the Last. Even if u wanted to take the duel they had as canon then the only reason Hanabi won is due to Hinata pulling punches and letting it happen without even trying hard. Kid Hanabi being stronger than personal Jonin Hyuga body-guards isn't possible and is downright nonsense especially with feats from the Last.
Nobody said Hanabi stopped progressing. Both continued to progress , only Hinata had a massive head start skill/power/stat-wise. No reason Hanabi not only caught up but surpassed that level to the point where she can use Rotation and stomp Hinata. Then when u add Hamura chakra the argument is sealed. Sorry bro but i'm being logical here while taking everything into consideration regarding these two.
Stop it. Watch the movie and see for yourself. The absorbing can literally be seen stopping completly before Hinata touched him and until u address this fact we cant continue. Unless ur calling me a Lier when u can without even trying to simply look for yourself.
The fact that neither confirm the chakra has been restored means it wasn't drained. I'm going to watch the movie again when I get a chance.
The Bold is just u making up conditions. Only Otsuki gain Tenseigan and thats the current fact. What if Hinatas need Toneri's Byakugan for them to evolve to Tenseigan?
I'm not, I haven't seen the movie for a while but if it works the same as rinnegan it only requires an ashura incarnate gaining the sharingan of an Indra incarnate and vice versa. However Hogaromo gave his chakra which allowed Sasuke to awaken the rinnegan directly. So why doesn't the same principle apply to Hamura descendants.
Bro we literally see Hanbi get blitzed on screen. The puppets having no intent to kill is irrelevant when all attacked simultaneously and never pulled punches. The puppets attacked so as to stop her from destroying the Tenseigan and they all attacked with full intent on "BEATING" her , kill intent is irrelevant unless the puppets wanted to get no diffed by Hinata which they didn't.
No we dont if you have the actual Blitz taking place please show it because I've yet to see Hanabi getting blitzed. Whatever happened happened off screen.
Secondly the puppets who cough Hiashi's body guards were using energy blasts. I'm going to repeat the same point as I did earlier they weren't trying to kill her so therefore would've been holding back.
LMAO Hanabi being superior to a Hinata who was held back by her own persona is irrelevant to the comparison of the already "Bloomed" Hinata from the Last.
Even if u wanted to take the dual they had as canon then the only reason Hanabi won is due to Hinata pulling punches and letting it happen without even trying hard.
The duel is canon according to the last databook entry the filler duel episode is not. Hiashi isn't stupid he would've realised that Hinata was pulling her punches so that didn't happen. To add to that he confirms in the manga Hinata's less talented than Hanabi so that excuse is null and void.
Kid Hanabi being stronger than personal Jonin Hyuga body-guards isn't possible and is downright nonsense especially with feats from the Last.
Nobody said Hanabi stopped progressing. Both continued to progress , only Hinata had a massive head start skill/power/stat-wise. No reason Hanabi not only caught up but surpassed that level to the point where she can use Rotation and stomp Hinata. Then when u add Hamura chakra the argument is sealed. Sorry bro but i'm being logical here while taking everything into consideration regarding these two.
Bro I'm being logical Hinata had a head start yet Hiashi confimred Hanabi is more talented and he knows the talent level of those whom he personally trained. And Hanabi beat her in a duel (not referring to the filler episode) so her skill level was already high. Head start or not Hiashi pretty much dismissed it. Its like Madara who was killing adult senju that wasn't because of a head start but because of his talent and ability.
I don't think were going to get anywhere with a back and forth exchange so I'm done.
On the topic of Hamura chakra let's compare.
Hogaromo gives Sasuke and Naruto chakra to defeat Madara and it's capable of doing such a thing even being able to seal Kaguya so therefore it was litteral chakra.
Hamura supposedly gives Hinata chakra to destroy Tenseigan vessel. That coupled with and her not awakening Tenseigan. Hinata tries and fails, Why? Only reason I can think of it isn't Hamura chakra as people think. He would know about the Tenseigan, vessel, plan etc since he also knows about Toneri so he wouldn't give anything which would fail. It failed so therefore the only logical conculsion is it's not Hamura chakra in the litteral sense but the reference is to her being a descendant of Hamura. Not rocket science really.
You misunderstood me. The chakra utilization from all tenketsu simultaneously is what i compared to the usual Jonin level of control using only a single limb. The difficulty level of utilizing Chakra from all Tenketsu is without a doubt showed to be above Jonin level as even Jonin find it hard to control such Chakra from a single limb , much less whole body. Hinata can do both palms simultaneously which is great , but that obviously pales in comparison to the whole body.
I never said nor tried to imply that every Ninja can release Chakra from every single Tenketsu to utilize like a Hyuga. I only referenced that Kishi directly addresses the difficulty in comparison to the usual Jonin. The difficulty of controlling chakra from every Tenketsu is something ur not addressing and blatantly downplaying , yet the Author made sure not to.
Kishi directly says utilization of chakra from chakra-points is difficult to control , even for the very few Chakra points in the palms , Jonin find it hard to manage even that , yet ur acting as if all it takes is a simple oral lesson to gain that level of Chakra control despite Kishi's notation on the matter about difficulty. Doesn't make any sense at all bro , not one bit.
Again Kishimoto directly addressed the difficulty of utilizing Chakra from every Tenketsu so the bold doesn't make any sense. "Jonin find it hard for a single body-part at a time." Utilizing Chakra from every single tenketsu simultaneously would clearly be tiers harder than just the palms.
To learn Rotation the Hyuuga needs to bypass a difficulty threshold that logically cannot be any easier than Utilizing chakra a single palm or 2. Obviously quite the opposite as Kishi blatantly noted.
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-Besides that the fact of the matter is Kishi made sure to note that Jonin find it difficult to ultilize Tenketsu chakra from a single body part at a time , much less 2 and even less the whole body. Kishi clearly wanted us to imagine how difficult ultilzing Chakra from "EVERY" Tenketsu would be in comparsion to a single body part or two.
It all doesn't seem particularly right. Why would Kishi assign a difficulty level with regards to Jonin in comparison with Hyuga techniques when the Jonin's themselves do not have the ability (Gentle fist) to release chakra from all their points in the first place?
The statement in the scan is more closer in meaning to: "Chakra that is emitted from chakra points is difficult to control" than "It is difficult to emit chakra from chakra points" The tree climbing exercise proves this i think. Naruto especially had no difficulty in emitting the chakra but only hit a snag when it came to getting the right amount that would be released. [
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What i understand from the full statement is Jonin have no problem emitting chakra from both hands and feet (water walking already proves this) at the same time, but utilizing that emitted chakra for techniques is difficult and Jonin generally (not in all cases) can only do so with One body part at a time.
If i were to agree with you, then i would have to also agree Rotation is the hardest technique in the universe and that statement puts Genin Neji's chakra control over every Jonin in the series which quite frankly doesn't seem fair and logical when Jonin's don't have the ability (Gentle fist) to release consciously from all tenketsu in the first place and we've also seen Jonin and even Genin (Kankuro) surpassing that stated difficulty level (a single body part) with emitted chakra.
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To cut a long thing short , since u think Rotation is so simple to learn and that all it takes is the right information to somehow unlock the use and control of every tenketsu simultaneously of which u think Hinata is so easily capable of. This can only conclude to one of two things if we followed that logic.
Either Hiashi took 20 years to teach Hinata this "oral code" u find so simple , or she took 20 years to figure it out like kid Neji . Which one do u want us to go with or do u have any alternatives?
According to Hiashi's statement to Hizashi, we can infer that even Hiashi had started softening up enough to consider branch and main members on the same footing but that was it. It probably took that number of years for the whole system to be overhauled after which he then reveals the code to her.
While ur at it tell me why or wat made it convenient for Hiashi to "decide" it best to finally teach Hinata the oral lesson for Kaiten u find so simple , years after the War where the whole world was at risk. Also tell me why Neji himself wouldn't try teaching Hinata the Rotation over the years , and plz dont say Hiashi told him not to teach her or Neji never wanted to break tradition when he himself is a walking contradiction.
- For the same reason Hanabi who is the heir has rotation in the boruto series but clearly didn't have it in the Last.. a period when the whole world was at peace?
- For Neji, tbh there's nothing i would say that wouldn't seem biased/ill contrived. But to think Neji actually was teaching Rotation to her and it took her over 20 years after he died for her to get it kind of seems ill contrived also. There's nothing that states/implies Hinata's control wasn't up to Hyuga standards + the DB also implies that having the Byakugan does help with Chakra control. Neji does it in a month but Hinata takes over 20 years?
How about body blow that only requires expelling chakra and not control? If Neji was indeed teaching her, then she should have at least displayed expelling chakra from other parts since that scan doesn't ascribe difficulty to releasing chakra from points but controlling the released chakra. A better reason than "Neji was a genius" or "Its Hinata" would be needed imo.
There is also evidence Hiashi already started demonstrating the Rotation to both Hinata and Hanabi as both knew of the jutsu on sight when Neji showed it. Makes sense since Hinata was heir , and Hanabi is the heir.
That isn't enough evidence. If we follow that logic, then Hiashi was demonstrating Rotation to Neji also which we know can't be the case. The same way Neji even knew what Rotation was would be the same way they knew too.
Nope not even close. Rotation + 64 Palms was Neji's 'true show of strength". He "showed" his defense which Tenten even noted , then he showed his offense. Thats his true show of strength. Rotation was the beginning of the show of strength , 64 palms was the ending. Rotation+64 palms = his True show of strength.
64 Palms w/o Rotation wouldn't be his true showing , neither would Rotation w/o 64 palms as showing one without the other wouldn't be his true showing. I made this very clear which is why Made in heaven conceded.
Not really.. The moment before 64 palms, Tenten says his true show of strength was only beginning. [
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In that same DB Kaiten was said to be the high grade taijutsu that made Neji’s prodigious talent known during the Chuunin exam. Both 64 palms + rotation at that age is proof of his talent.
That scan points to 64 palms being proof of his genius though not kaiten + 64 palms. Kaiten only highlighted his genius while 64 palms was proof of it.
Besides the Chakra control required for 64 palms cant even be compared to whats required for Rotation , as 64 palms is based on mostly raw physical ability.
You're saying they can't be compared? Why? That puppetry is a chakra control only related tech doesn't change the fact it isn't superior to pure taijutsu moves like Leaf hurricane (B-rank) and byakugou being a chakra control only tech doesn't change the fact its still a difficult tech to master than most of the techs in the series.
Come on now. Toneri drains Naruto's Chakra till we see the absorbtion stop. Then Hinata restores his Chakra. Plz watch the movie or skip to that part because ur arguing against fact here.
I'm not, I haven't seen the movie for a while but if it works the same as rinnegan it only requires an ashura incarnate gaining the sharingan of an Indra incarnate and vice versa. However Hogaromo gave his chakra which allowed Sasuke to awaken the rinnegan directly. So why doesn't the same principle apply to Hamura descendants.
Because u have no proof it relates to them. Hinata is a simple Hyuga with a Hyuga body. The Hyuga eyes literally needed to adapt to Toneri's body. No reason Hinata would gain those eyes by simply getting Chakra when her body isn't the same as Toneri.
No we dont if you have the actual Blitz taking place please show it because I've yet to see Hanabi getting blitzed. Whatever happened happened off screen.
Secondly the puppets who cough Hiashi's body guards were using energy blasts. I'm going to repeat the same point as I did earlier they weren't trying to kill her so therefore would've been holding back.
Watch the movie. Just skip to that section and confirm for yourself because i have no reason to lie here.
-Nope the puppets used Taijutsu , then used the Chakra blasts by thrusting it via palms , making it still mostly Taijutsu unlike if they actually shot it from a distance. 1 single puppet>>Hyuga guard. Hinata>>>>>>>>>I single puppet>>>>>>The Last Hanabi.
Your making excuses Hinata lost deal with it.
The duel is canon according to the last databook entry the filler duel episode is not. Hiashi isn't stupid he would've realised that Hinata was pulling her punches so that didn't happen. To add to that he confirms in the manga Hinata's less talented than Hanabi so that excuse is null and void.
Thats not an excuse its a downright fact that cant be ignored. 5 year younger Hanabi being superior to Hinata has ntn to do with Last Hanabi being tiers upon tiers inferior to even War arc Hinata.
Bro I'm being logical Hinata had a head start yet Hiashi confimred Hanabi is more talented and he knows the talent level of those whom he personally trained. And Hanabi beat her in a duel (not referring to the filler episode) so her skill level was already high. Head start or not Hiashi pretty much dismissed it. Its like Madara who was killing adult senju that wasn't because of a head start but because of his talent and ability.
I don't think were going to get anywhere with a back and forth exchange so I'm done.
Hiashi confirmed that Hanabi at that "specific time" was above Hinata at that time. Hinata obviously surpassed her when she fought Neji ,then passed her by a landslide in the War and/or early p2. Then by the Last Hinata already bloomed and the gap between Hanabi grew even larger. So no ur not being logical unless u think Hiashi's statement proves that every version of Hanabi>Hinata from that point on?
Ur the only one going back and forth tho. I made my stance clear and supported it. So no.
It all doesn't seem particularly right. Why would Kishi assign a difficulty level with regards to Jonin in comparison with Hyuga techniques when the Jonin's themselves do not have the ability (Gentle fist) to release chakra from all their points in the first place?
Because Kishi wanted to show Neji's level of Chakra control for his age. Jonin find it hard which hints that even Hyuga Jonin would find it hard to do wat Neji did. Simple.
The statement in the scan is more closer in meaning to: "Chakra that is emitted from chakra points is difficult to control" than "It is difficult to emit chakra from chakra points" The tree climbing exercise proves this i think. Naruto especially had no difficulty in emitting the chakra but only hit a snag when it came to getting the right amount that would be released. [
Nope , Kishi is clearly saying that controlling Chakra emitted from every tenketsu is super difficult as Jonin find it hard using much fewer Tenketsu. Neji can release the Chakra from every single one and control it perfectly to do watever. Thats his feat of Chakra control noted by Kishi.
Clearly releasing Chakra from Tenketsu in the way Neji does is much different from Naruto/Sasuke using Chakra to stick to Trees/water. Them doing wat they did doesn't mean they can also emit Chakra from hands/feet to block attacks using that same Chakra utilization. Its more than simply the release of Chakra.
What i understand from the full statement is Jonin have no problem emitting chakra from both hands and feet (water walking already proves this) at the same time, but utilizing that emitted chakra for techniques is difficult and Jonin generally (not in all cases) can only do so with One body part at a time.
If i were to agree with you, then i would have to also agree Rotation is the hardest technique in the universe and that statement puts Genin Neji's chakra control over every Jonin in the series which quite frankly doesn't seem fair and logical when Jonin's don't have the ability (Gentle fist) to release consciously from all tenketsu in the first place and we've also seen Jonin and even Genin (Kankuro) surpassing that stated difficulty level (a single body part) with emitted chakra.
-Nope it only puts Neji's Chakra control> the usual Jonin and Hyuga. Fact of the matter is Chakra emitted from only a few Chakra points in the palm is difficult to control for even Jonin. Chakra emitted from every single Tenketsu would be much , much harder. This applies to other Hyuga also.
According to Hiashi's statement to Hizashi, we can infer that even Hiashi had started softening up enough to consider branch and main members on the same footing but that was it. It probably took that number of years for the whole system to be overhauled after which he then reveals the code to her.
This isn't logical bro. What do u think changed for him to decide to teach her? him taking years upon years to soften up doesn't make sense when the 4th War was the most logical time to teach her. Especially if we followed ur logic where all she needed was to simply "hear a few words?" to unlock it.
Naruto said Neji was going to change the Hyuga. Which implies that Neji was destined to be the leader.
- For the same reason Hanabi who is the heir has rotation in the boruto series but clearly didn't have it in the Last.. a period when the whole world was at peace?
- For Neji, tbh there's nothing i would say that wouldn't seem biased/ill contrived. But to think Neji actually was teaching Rotation to her and it took her over 20 years after he died for her to get it kind of seems ill contrived also. There's nothing that states/implies Hinata's control wasn't up to Hyuga standards + the DB also implies that having the Byakugan does help with Chakra control. Neji does it in a month but Hinata takes over 20 years?
How about body blow that only requires expelling chakra and not control? If Neji was indeed teaching her, then she should have at least displayed expelling chakra from other parts since that scan doesn't ascribe difficulty to releasing chakra from points but controlling the released chakra. A better reason than "Neji was a genius" or "Its Hinata" would be needed imo.
-That isn't a reason. Hanabi just wasn't capable of Rotation in the Last which only helps my arguemnt and weakens ur stance of a simple oral lesson being the key to Rotation. Why did Hanabi the heir not have it then? Unless ur gonna tell me Hiashi needed to soften up a couple more years before teaching her too , despite being the heir.
-There is literally no logical reason why Neji wouldn't even try teaching her the Rotation before p2 or before the War. Zero logic in regards to such a notion. There is ntn that states exactly when Hinata learnt Rotation either. Could've been before or after the Last , but the point is she simply wasn't on Neji's level of skill and this fact couldn't have been made any more clear by the author.
-Body-blow doesn't simply expel Chakra as the Chakra can literally be controlled into a full body Gentle fistattack , or can be used to block and/or redirect physical attacks. Mastering this is the key to Rotation and Kishi made sure to ascribe great difficulty in releasing and controlling chakra from even a few Chakra-points much less all.
"Neji is a genius" or "Its Hinata" are ur arguments not mine.
That isn't enough evidence. If we follow that logic, then Hiashi was demonstrating Rotation to Neji also which we know can't be the case. The same way Neji even knew what Rotation was would be the same way they knew too.
Hinata and Hanabi knew the Rotation by simply seeing it. Hanabi said "Father , thats your..".
- Neji literally re-created the Jutsu which means he didn't even need to see it just as the Hyuga who created the Rotation never needed to see it in action before creating it.
-Besides , even if we assumed Neji saw Hiashi use it , doesn't change the fact that Hiashi would've taught the heirs the oral code u find so simple to unlock the use of Rotation as he was clearly demonstrating the tech on multiple occasions for them know it by sight. Again Rotation needing a easy to learn oral code to give the user advanced Chakra control doesn't make sense. Especially since ur completely ignoring difficulty.
Not really.. The moment before 64 palms, Tenten says his true show of strength was only beginning. [
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Because Rotation was only the beginning. The word "true" is added because he's about to show his full power which is why Tenten says "Thats Neji's defense" after he showed the Rotation.
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Why do u think Tenten then said , "And thats not the end of it"? Because clearly Rotation wasn't the end of the show and only the beginning. Rotation+64=Neji's true show of strength. Rotation alone=the beginning.
That scan points to 64 palms being proof of his genius though not kaiten + 64 palms. Kaiten only highlighted his genius while 64 palms was proof of it.
You're saying they can't be compared? Why? That puppetry is a chakra control only related tech doesn't change the fact it isn't superior to pure taijutsu moves like Leaf hurricane (B-rank) and byakugou being a chakra control only tech doesn't change the fact its still a difficult tech to master than most of the techs in the series.
Again. Rotation was also said to be THEhigh grade Taijutsu that made his genius known at that time putting Rotation on that same exact level of proof as 64 palm.
-I just told u why. 64 palms is based on more physical ability than Chakra control. Hinata could use 32 palms before 64 and likely stuggled her way to reach 32 by the War , yet her having 32 palms doesn't give her the CC control for Rotation , and this clearly didn't change instantly after she finally used 64 palms fully. Hinata using TLF which is a chakra control ability didn't mean she could instantly pull off 64 palms.
In terms of Chakra control , obviously Chakra strings require much more than Leaf hurricane. Byakugou would obviously be harder for Sakura in terms of CC compared learning Tsunade's physical moves/kicks. D
Anyways, as for Salamander and his delusions, even though I know this won't do anything to change them, here are the facts:
Hinata Hype:
Called Gentle Fist master
Said to be strong enough to protect Neji
Said to be a strong Hyuga
Praised by Naruto
Praised by Mitsuki
Praised by Bolt
Hinata feats:
Managing to fight on par with Neji in Part 1
Saving Neji from an attack from a Zetsu
Reacting to the high-speed Juubi Palm and timing Air Palm to land a hit
Landing Ino's mind transfer on Obito (precision/reaction feat)
Reacting to wooden spike w/o Byakugan that Sakura failed to do so.
Fighting Nature energy puppets that are >= Hiashi/Naruto in speed w/o Byakugan and only taijutsu.
Has Rikudo Charkra that she can combine with her attacks for more power.
Her Air Palm = Neji's
Using Twin Lion Fists
Using 64 Palms
Using 64 Twin Lion Palms
Using Crumbling Attack.
Hanabi Hype:
Said to be more talented than a Hinata who canonically held back her potential.
Hanabi feats:
Beating a version of Hinata that canonically held back her own potential some 18 years ago.
Taking an L from one Nature energy-powered puppet.
Pressured into using Rotation by a 9 year old kid.
Air Palm visibly weaker than Neji's/Hinata's.
Using 64 Palms... oh wait.
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Here's the actual translation, please put that shitty fake translation in the garbage bin, even the word order is incorrect. Out of curiosity did you personally edit it and insert your fanfic?
Even with the fanfic(inserted) BS translation it doesn't say she did it after the last or went onto do it.
Oh and the fanfic about Hinata holding back her potential against Hanabi.
Come back when Hinata actually learns rotation and beats Hanabi in a duel.
Please put that shitty fake translation in the garbage bin, even the word order is incorrect. Out of curiosity did you personally edit it and insert your fanfic?
Even with the fanfic(inserted) BS translation it doesn't say she did it after the last or went onto do it.
They're actually both fan translations, so unless you can translate the original japanese yourself, I think you should stfu
She was already called GF master in The Last anyways in the same promotional material bios that say Hanabi beat a version of Hinata who held back her potential.
They're actually both fan translations, so unless you can translate the original japanese yourself, I think you should stfu
She was already called GF master in The Last anyways in the same promotional material bios that say Hanabi beat a version of Hinata who held back her potential.
Yours is clearly a fake it's word order is incorrect and incoherent. It was probably a Hinata fan that tires to translate it and add insertions.
I've seen the last databook entries and it doesn't mention anything about Hanabi beating a Hinata sho held back. Unless you have the official databook scans from the last (I have 2 both praising hanabi) saying Hinata held back her potential stop spouting manure.
No reason for Hinata to fight someone so vastly weaker than her both in feats and portrayal, Keep clinging onto something that happened 20 years ago. You sound just like a Dr. Proof right now and how he constantly clings to Shino's part 1 feats even though he's pure fodder.
But this is coming from the guy who thinks Hiruzen was called the strongest hokage when that never happened in canon, who calls Ootsutsukis weak, claims Hanabi is stronger than Neji, and claims Naruto isn't an Uzumaki, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much intellect from him.
I've seen the last databook entries and it doesn't mention anything about Hanabi beating a Hinata sho held back. Unless you have the official databook scans from the last (I have 2 both praising hanabi) saying Hinata held back her potential stop spouting manure.
Hinata held back her own potential point blank as pointed out by the 3rd Databook as shown above in the scan, which would apply to a fight with Hanabi.
Now show me where in this The Last databook anywhere does it say Hanabi is better than The Last Hinata when she is Genin and got beaten by 1 puppet while Hinata fought 5 at once
Fan-fic? Hinata literally faltered and failed due to her persona which made her "weak"..
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Hinata has the potential but she just lacks confidence more than any other character in the show. U cannot ignore this when the author himself doesn't.
The bold doesn't make any sense at all as i told u before. I know ur saying this since one was able to avoid a punch from Naruto while carrying Hinata no less. Good feat for the puppet but it doesn't mean the puppet is faster than Naruto. Movement/jumpin speed is different from combat speed also. The puppets showed movement speed above Hiashi this much is true tho it doesn't mean said puppets are faster in actual combat speed also.
Beating a version of Hinata that canonically held back her own potential some 18 years ago.
Taking an L from one Nature energy-powered puppet. Pressured into using Rotation by a 9 year old kid. Air Palm visibly weaker than Neji's/Hinata's.
Using 64 Palms... oh wait.
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4 Boruto clones attaked Hanabi. Pretty sure she never needed Rotation as a weaker p1 Neji was able to dance around many more clones without getting tagged. Pretty sure the Hyuga leader could do the same to fewer clones from a weaker Boruto.
-She obviously didn't go all out with her Air-palm.
-Hanabi having Rotation means she more than likely has 64 palms also.
Thanks for finding the scan. I wondered where i saw it , tho as i said its irrelevant.
-Hinata never fought on par with Neji. Fought on par means she fought him equally which is wrong. What she did prove is that she's far above Kid Hanabi by that point.
4 Boruto clones attaked Hanabi. Pretty sure she never needed Rotation as a weaker p1 Neji was able to dance around many more clones without getting tagged. Pretty sure the Hyuga leader could do the same to fewer clones from a weaker Boruto.
-She obviously didn't go all out with her Air-palm.
-Hanabi having Rotation means she more than likely has 64 palms also.
Thanks for finding the scan. I wondered where i saw it , tho as i said its irrelevant.
-Hinata never fought on par with Neji. Fought on par means she fought him equally which is wrong. What she did prove is that she's far above Kid Hanabi by that point.
Yeah man I know, I know. I am just using Salamander's shit logic on himself. I know Hanabi is #2 strongest Hyuga right now and I agree with everything you said. Obviously Hanabi wasn't trying and obviously she has 64 Palms.
Yeah I've read your fanfic nowhere does it mention she held back against Hanabi or for 18 years. A vague statement like that is your proof come back with some real canon material.
[QUOT]GF Master = Hinata
GF Master = Able to use Rotation
Hinata = Able to use Rotation[/QUOTE]
So you've got no canon feats of her psrforming rotation or even one body blow minus your fanfic. Concession accepted.
No reason for Hinata to fight someone so vastly weaker than her both in feats and portrayal, Keep clinging onto something that happened 20 years ago. You sound just like a Dr. Proof right now and how he constantly clings to Shino's part 1 feats even though he's pure fodder.
Weaker than Hinata that's why she fodderised her even though she's 5 years younger than her with 5 years less training. What Hanabi did to her made her superflous to the Hyuga clan and the head house
The only reason Hinata doesn't fight Hanabi is because she remembers what happened last time.
But this is coming from the guy who thinks Hiruzen was called the strongest hokage when that never happened in canon, who calls Ootsutsukis weak, claims Hanabi is stronger than Neji, and claims Naruto isn't an Uzumaki, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much intellect from him.
How about you stop bringing fake translations that have no coherency or stfu.
Hinata held back her own potential point blank as pointed out by the 3rd Databook as shown above in the scan, which would apply to a fight with Hanabi.
No it doesnt I want the proof not your fan interested explantion.
Now show me where in this The Last databook anywhere does it say Hanabi is better than The Last Hinata when she is Genin and got beaten by 1 puppet while Hinata fought 5 at once
Hanabi was captured by an unknown method unless you have the actual fight taking place. Hinata fighting 5 puppets those that weren't trying to kill her. and they were moving slower than the ones that attacked Hiashi. Don't worry I'll be doing a full analysis and a thread should be coming when I get a chance.
What is canon and confirmed from the last databook is Hanabi beat down Hinata.
Let me give you the translation for this as well, remembering how harsh Hiashi training methods are especially when he's training the clan successor because the lesser (Hinata) isn't good enough.
Hanabi's Movie Guide Profile
From Retsu no Sho
Hyuuga Hanabi
Genin
The second daughter of the Hyuuga’s main house who is blessed with the byakugan! Super busy with both fashion and training?!
Hanabi is Hinata’s sister, and younger by five years. Having displayed great potential as a shinobi since her childhood, Hanabi spent all of her time undergoing strict training with her father Hiashi. In the now-peaceful post-war ninja world, Hanabi has begun to show interest in fashion and romantic matters typical for her age.
Before:
Her excelled potential has progressed even further as a result of her training with Hiashi.
Hanabi's databook entry translation.
I'll also leave this here it clearly mentions Hinata getting dealt with
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Hell even after recognising and seeing this so called talent that Hinata has Hiashi still doenst offer Hinata the position of successorship. looks like he didn't see what LB saw
Yeah I've read your fanfic nowhere does it mention she held back against Hanabi. A vague statement like that is hour proof come back with some real canon material.
Weaker than Hinata that's why she fodderised her even though she's 5 years younger than her with 5 years less training. What Hanabi did to her made her superflous to the Hyuga clan and the head house
And killing intent doesn't mean the opponent isn't going all out. Naruto went all out against Sasuke despite not trying to kill him. Bolt went all out against Hanabi/Salad in taijutsu despite not trying to kill either of them. Same applies here. The puppets went all out even if they were not trying to kill Hinata.
and they were moving slower than the ones that attacked Hiashi. Don't worry I'll be doing a full analysis and a thread should be coming when I get a chance.
Animation speed is irrelevant. Bolt VS Nue is faster in animation than Naruto VS Tenseigan puppets, is Bolt faster than The Last Naruto? :wut:
What is canon and confirmed from the last databook is Hanabi beat down Hinata.
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Let me give you the translation for this as well, remembering how harsh Hiashi training methods are especially when he's training the clan successor because the lesser (Hinata) isn't good enough.
Hanabi's Movie Guide Profile
From Retsu no Sho
Hyuuga Hanabi
Genin
The second daughter of the Hyuuga’s main house who is blessed with the byakugan! Super busy with both fashion and training?!
Hanabi is Hinata’s sister, and younger by five years. Having displayed great potential as a shinobi since her childhood, Hanabi spent all of her time undergoing strict training with her father Hiashi. In the now-peaceful post-war ninja world, Hanabi has begun to show interest in fashion and romantic matters typical for her age.
Before:
Her excelled potential has progressed even further as a result of her training with Hiashi.
So The Last novel isn't canon according to you but promotional magazine scans that Kishimoto has no confirmation of working on are canon? XD
Even if this promo filler magazine scan was considered canon, it is still referring to kid Hanabi and kid Hinata. Please show me a scan or feats that put The Last Hanabi above P2 Hinata
Hell even after recognising and seeing this so called talent that Hinata has tout Hiashi still doenst offer Hinata the position of successorship. looks like he didn't see what LB saw
Yeah I've read your fanfic nowhere does it mention she held back against Hanabi or for 18 years. A vague statement like that is your proof come back with some real canon material.
The duel Hanabi had with Hinata took place at around this time.
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Kishimoto point-blank tells u she "held back her potential".
Hinata , five years Hanabi's elder , being held back simply by the pressure of the Clan's rep would obviously be pitiful beyond words in the eyes of Hiashi. Hinata held back bro , because this guy said so.
How do we know he didn't offer it to her? because it never happened and isn't even mentioned in any of the databooks. Hiashi saw Hinata's talent and still never offered her leadership.
The fact that the databook translation confirms Hiashi's training of Hanabi constantly and her talent put her above Hinata. Oh and she knows rotation.
Denies animation speed because it low diffs her fanfic when the animation speed of the battle indicates the individuals speed and what the author(kishi) wants to convey.
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Me when I read LB's fanfic and diversionary posts.
I think I'm done with ruining her fanfics for the day.
Same applies to Neji, and don't @ me with him being Branch member, that is ultimately irrelevant especially with Hiashi drastically changing as a person.
The fact that the databook translation confirms Hiashi's training of Hanabi constantly and her talent put her above Hinata.
So you are saying Bolt is faster than The Last Naruto since his animation speed against Nue is faster than Naruto's animation speed against Tenseigan Puppets? :lol Animation speed doesn't matter in terms of speed just as after images in the manga don't matter in terms of speed, unless you want to tell me Hinata and Neji were moving so fast they created after images of themselves
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when the animation speed of the battle indicates the individuals speed
