How does Princess Hanabi compares to Neji.

[Askeladd]

Hinata use TLF without Byakugan which is stated to be required in DB, Hinata chakra control must be damn impressive

 

[New Dawn]

Fodders... Everywhere

 

[neosmith500]

There's nothing to assume to be honest.

Manga: "Gentle Fist masters can use all of their Chakra Points"

The Last: "Hinata is a Gentle Fist master"

Not that hard to connect one and two together.

Thanks. So now using this beautiful logic.

Manga: "Gentle Fist masters can use all of their Chakra Points"

The Last: "Hinata is a Gentle Fist master"

War arc and below: "Hinata is not a Gentle Fist master till The Last"

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Hinata chakra control is not impressive in the least. She would've mastered the freaking gentle fist long before then lmfao.

 

[Made in Heaven]

She doesn't need to make that distinction when its clear as day. Rotation a defense , so clearly Neji's true show of power would be his offense after showing his defense.

Tenten doesn't make the distinction and treats both techniques the same. She says that Neji's true show of geniues lies within his mastery of 64 Palms, meaning Rotation is less impressive than 64 Palms in terms of complexity/difficulty. Whether or not 64 Palms grants usage of all 361 Chakra Points is irrelevant because I am not arguing that.

So Hinata could use TLF but couldn't release Chakra from her whole body to save her life?

Yes.

Not only that but she already had TLF in the pain arc but by the War she still could not emit Chakra from her whole body even tho she already had 32 palms?

War didn't happen that long after the Pain arc anyways.

Chakra emitted from whole body = GF mastery.Hinata was only said to Master Gf after the War. Hinata already had TLF and 64 palms before she mastered GF.

I know.

Rotation = GF mastery = Roation>>64 Palm in difficulty of Chakra control.

It is more difficult in Chakra Control because 64 Palms doesn't even use Chakra Control.

That should be enough to tell u which is harder but i have a feeling it wont so im willing to stay as long as it takes to get this through to u. 64 aplms is based on Taijutsu "Movements". The reason Hinata messed it up in the War before mastering it was due to poor movements. Rotation and full body Chakra control comes from Chakra control mastery of GF. Hinata in War is not a master.

I never argued Hinata was a GF master. I am simply arguing that 64 Palms is a more difficult technique/use to learn than Rotation as shown by Tenten's statement.

Wall palm is irrlevant in my argument. Neji not having it despite mastering GF long ago is enough to show that Wall-palm>>>Rotation in difficulty and that any who can use Wall palm can use Rotation. Bad comparisons which dont correlate with the comparison of 64 palm to Rotation.

No, it isn't irrelevant. Air Palm and Wall Palm are available to the Branch Family, meaning one can potentially have one of them, like Hizashi who is Hiashi's equal, know Wall Palm without knowing Rotation. Meaning Wall Palm is more complex than Rotation.

Thanks. So now using this beautiful logic.

Manga: "Gentle Fist masters can use all of their Chakra Points"

The Last: "Hinata is a Gentle Fist master"

War arc and below: "Hinata is not a Gentle Fist master till The Last"

I never argued against this in this or any other thread.

 

[salamander uchiha]

When was Hiruzen called the strongest Hokage?

It's already been posted in this thread.

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[Made in Heaven]

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First off, that's not VIZ.

Second, Iruka says "was said to be the strongest". I would suggest some reading lessons on what the phrase "it is said" entails, as anyone with elementary reading skills will tell you that phrase connatates rumors and assertions, unconfirmed statements simply put. Same as saying "it is believed" or "it is rumored".

Really, it's no different than Kakashi's statement of saying the Uchiha stem from the Hyuga.

And so... I am left waiting for a scan of Hiruzen being confirmed to be the strongest Hokage and not just being rumored to have been so. Oh well.

Hinata chakra control is not impressive in the least.

She uses Twin Lion Fists with Six Paths Chakra even though it is said Twin Lion Fists alone needs the Chakra Control granted by the Byakugan.

She would've mastered the freaking gentle fist long before then lmfao.

She was called a Gentle Fist master at 19 years old.

 

[Jinrou]

TLF is based on pure Chakra control. 64 palms is based on expert Taijutsu movements incorporated with Tenketsu strikes. Hinata can do 32 palms and messed up 64 because of poor "movements". So how does that prove 64 palm>>Rotation and TLF.

Rotation is orally thought yet Hinata never had it in by the War despite having Hiashi and Neji. Its not that she never showed it as the scan with the 3 Zetsu clearly shows that Hinata never had the situation under control in that instance.

Wall Palm is pinnacle of Gentle fist techniques bevause it was proven that Neji doesn't have it.

For all we know, the thing that's orally stated to enable one master Rotation could be what/how to utilize all your tenketsu which is something Neji figured on his own. And like i said, Hinata by Hyuga law wasn't supposed to know Rotation at the time. Hiashi was definitely not going to teach her that as she wasn't heiress and we can't say for certain Neji attempted to teach her and she was unable to do it up until she became 30 something without any form of proof.

With what you're saying, Hinata using 64 palms (which she ended up completing btw) in conjunction with TLF is going to be a lesser difficulty thing compared to Rotation despite the concentration needed to execute 64 palms (divination hexagram and ensuring all 64 hits land in that formation) and TLF simply because she wasn't shown doing Rotation which we know she wasn't supposed to know?

Sorry for the late reply btw.. Kinda busy here.

 

[Askeladd]

First off, that's not VIZ.

Second, Iruka says "was said to be the strongest". I would suggest some reading lessons on what the phrase "it is said" entails, as anyone with elementary reading skills will tell you that phrase connatates rumors and assertions, unconfirmed statements simply put. Same as saying "it is believed" or "it is rumored".

And so... I am left waiting for a scan of Hiruzen being confirmed to be the strongest Hokage and not just being rumored to have been so. Oh well.

The difference between Hiruzen and Hinata is that Hiruzen being labeled as the strongest Hokage is from early in the series, like I said it was retconned like a bunch of stuff in part 1 to shippuden, meanwhile Hinata being a Gentle Fist master is stated at the end of the series.

 

[salamander uchiha]

First off, that's not VIZ.

Second, Iruka says "was said to be the strongest". I would suggest some reading lessons on what the phrase "it is said" entails, as anyone with elementary reading skills will tell you that phrase connatates rumors and assertions. Same as saying "it is believed" or "it is rumored".

Rumoured or believed is based upon speculation they don't fall into the same cap not even close. It is said is more authoritative than that and the fact that it wasn't challenged by the 3rd(correcting it) adds weight to being true. It's only dismissed later on when Hashirama's power is shown. The same way Hinata is called a GF master and when the time comes to demonstrate the Rotation or one body blow (multiple opportunities in the last) to prove it she can't. That instantly dismisses the meaning encompassing her mastery to include that level of jutsu.

I suggest you provide a canon scan to back up her having rotation so she shows it and not speculative evidences.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Don't say stupid sh*t when you don't even read your own preferable translation

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This means he was the strongest Kage when he was alive.

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This scan proves hiruzen is the greatest hokage above all not only in konoha you pathetic reaching clowns.

Copy-Paste my argument to Salamander:

Iruka says "was said to be the strongest". I would suggest some reading lessons on what the phrase "it is said" entails, as anyone with elementary reading skills will tell you that phrase connatates rumors and assertions, unconfirmed statements simply put. Same as saying "it is believed" or "it is rumored".

Really, it's no different than Kakashi's statement of saying the Uchiha stem from the Hyuga.

Anyways, now that that nonsense is taken care of, does anyone else want to present excuses as to why a Gentle Fist master can't use a technique Gentle Fist masters are said to be able to use?

 

[salamander uchiha]

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You ignored the post and I remembered something else when was Tenten an authority on GF is she a Hyuga?

And where is the canon scan showing Hinata has used the rotation?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Rumoured or believed is based upon speculation they don't fall into the same cap not even close.

Says who?

It is said is more authoritative than that

Says who?

and the fact that it wasn't challenged by the 3rd(correcting it) adds weight to being true.

So Naruto calling Hinata strong means Hinata is Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto tier because Hinata didn't challenge it? Cool.

I could play this game all day.

It's only dismissed later on when Hashirama's power is shown.

Nothing was dismissed because nothing was ever confirmed.

The same way Hinata is called a GF master and when the time comes to demonstrate the Rotation or one body blow (multiple opportunities in the last) to prove it she can't.

No it doesn't because Hinata didn't even use Air Palm, Twin Lion Fists, or even her Byakugan.

That instantly dismisses the meaning encompassing her mastery to include that level of jutsu.

So because Shukaku never used TBB even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.
So because Madara never used Copy ability even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.
So because Lee never used Morning Peacock even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.

Honestly, like I said above, I could play this game all day. Not like it's hard to call out your nonsensical arguments.

I suggest you provide a canon scan to back up her having rotation so she shows it and not speculative evidences

Nothing is speculation here. Just using common sense. I suggest you try it out.

 

[Jinrou]

Says who?


Says who?



So Naruto calling Hinata strong means Hinata is Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto tier because Hinata didn't challenge it? Cool.

I could play this game all day.



Nothing was dismissed because nothing was ever confirmed.


No it doesn't because Hinata didn't even use Air Palm, Twin Lion Fists, or even her Byakugan.


So because Shukaku never used Tailed Beats Bomb even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.
So because Madara never used Copy ability even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.
So because Lee never used Morning Peacock even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.

Honestly, like I said above, I could play this game all day. Not like it's hard to call out your nonsensical arguments.


Nothing is speculation here. Just using common sense. I suggest you try it out.

Shame he still won't be able to comprehend any of this and will still ask for a scan.

 

[Made in Heaven]

You ignored the post and I remembered something else when was Tenten an authority on GF is she a Hyuga?

And where is the canon scan showing Hinata has used the rotation?

Tenten is Neji's team mate and trained with him, with him even using Rotation in their training. I'd think she's more of an authority in this discussion than Iruka who knew nothing of Tobirama, Hashirama, and was a kid when Minato died.

I could ask you the same to show where Hanabi's 64 Palm feats are at.

It's too damn easy showing the blatant hypocrisy in your arguments.

This scan proves hiruzen is the greatest hokage above all not only in konoha you pathetic reaching clowns.

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Yeah sure, only one statement you die hard hyuga hypocritical fangirls lmfao lmfao

Being at the pinnacle of Konoha and the entire world refer to those who are only alive, otherwise you'd be arguing he's superior to Hagoromo, which, while I wouldn't be surprised, I am hoping you aren't trying to argue here.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Even the data book says he is the top of everything and and the top of the entire shinobi world. And hyuga hypocritical fans, you should check your little comprehension skills one more time, "said to be" is another way of saying "he is the" in NV. There's no such thing as a rumour in NV unless debunked by another character, which in this case is not. Stay mad. Nunoboku no ken was "said to be" filled with the feelings of hagoromo, so you're saying it doesn't have hagoromo's feelings? Stupid analogy, butthurt fangirls.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Says who?


Says who?

The same can be asked of you.

So Naruto calling Hinata strong means Hinata is Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto tier because Hinata didn't challenge it? Cool.

He himself isn't at that level at that time and he says it while saving her life

I could play this game all day.



Nothing was dismissed because nothing was ever confirmed.


No it doesn't because Hinata didn't even use Air Palm, Twin Lion Fists, or even her Byakugan.

The problem with this laughable logic is she has clearly shown to have those abilities. And their were clear situations which required rotation and one bidy blow but she didn't use it.

So because Shukaku never used TBB even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.
So because Madara never used Copy ability even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.
So because Lee never used Morning Peacock even though he had opportunities to do so it means he can't? Cool.

Tailed beasts aren't humans, Madara uses Mokuton via copy and Hahsi cells, and until Lee demonstrates an ability of a higher calibre he doesn't have it.

Nothing is speculation here. Just using common sense. I suggest you try it out.

There's nothing common sense about giving somebody feats they havent shown. When their most advanced chakra control ability is releasing chakra from a single limb. Now I'll wait for the scan or proof from one of the canon movies of her performing the technique.

Tenten is Neji's team mate and trained with him, with him even using Rotation in their training. I'd think she's more of an authority in this discussion than Iruka who knew nothing of Tobirama, Hashirama, and was a kid when Minato died.

Tenten can be steam mate but she's not a Hyuga for her to be an authority on the Hyuga GF she'd have to be one of them.

Secondly the shinobi of konoha don't k ow anything about the founding Hokage and his second. Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Avani]

Is that hard to read what I'm writing? Scan of Hinata trying to perform rotation and fail, I will concede after that

That's not how it works. Don't put horse before the cart. I don't know if she used it or not. I don't pay that much attention to manga. But are you talking about Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven when you say 'rotation'?

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mentions that in anime shippuden episode 428 The Genjutsu World version of Hinata Hyūga is able to use this technique. Meaning she cannot do it in real one. It's not listed in the their list of jutsus Hinata have either.

Can you show a scan where she performed it or it's stated she can in real world version of Narutoverse? Then post it and let them know the source of the claim and shut them up for good and only way to end this argument. And if they still deny it I will treat them as trolls.

If not then stop spamming the thread with repetitive circular argument because you cannot claim a skill/feat or ability that's not mentioned anywhere. You can only state your opinion in that case but not force others to accept it but agree to disagree and move on.

And stop posting " concession accepted" when other party hasn't so regularly. It's either pretty stupid or trolling and instigating others in pointless arguments.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

But she had been training with the expert on Hyuuga techniques and taijutsu all her life. Naruto at that point had not only trained on his own but was even younger than this Hanabi. And she couldn't offer the least bit of resistance. Disappointing. Hopefully Himawari is developed properly and shows us prodigious stuff.

Naruto too had training and as kids at academy they were facing each other. Naruto was on actual mission of bodyguarding at that point .

Hanabi was a girl at first place and she saw an intruder breaking into her own house . Of course she would be scared.Its natural.

 

[Made in Heaven]

The same can be asked of you.

Nope.

He himself isn't at that level at that time and he says it while saving her life

I am referring to The Last when he calls Hinata strong when they are adults during the credits.

The problem with this laughable logic is she has clearly shown to have those abilities. And their were clear situations which required rotation and palm bottom but she didn't use it.

No it does not. Neji could have used Rotation to save Naruto and Hinata, Lee could have used 5th Gate to break out of Water Prison, Kaguya could have used 1 trillion abilities to one-shot Team 7, Naruto could have summoned Gamabunta to pound Sasuke's ass in VOTE 1. Like I said, stop being hypocritical with your arguments, it's laughable.

And she is also confirmed to be GF master thus can use all Chakra points anyways.

Tailed beasts seen humans

What?

Madara uses Mokuton via copy and Hahsi cells

No he doesn't copy Hashirama's techniques, he would need to see Hashirama fighting with his Sharingan on to actually do that, which he never would have gotten the opportunity to do after taking his DNA nor did we ever see any scans or hear any statements of this happening.

and until Lee demonstrates an ability of a higher calibre he doesn't have it.

Yes he does, as the DB says 6th Gate grants this power.

There's nothing common sense about giving somebody feats they havent shown.

Coming from the guy who gives Hanabi 64 Palms let alone Tenseigan, this is truly, truly the pinnacle of hilarity.

When their most advanced chakra control ability is releasing chakra from a single limb.

Except Wall Palm also releases Chakra from the arms and not the whole body, yet it is more advanced than Rotation as Neji could never learn it and had to depend on Hinata for it. In short, flawed logic and reasoning as always.