[VS] Fanfic Minato and Naruto Vs Hashirama Senju

[Edogawa]

Excellent demonstration.

But the problem with this situation is:

1) Placing Kunai near Hashirama
2) Proper land scape to fight on
3) Flower Tree world.



What counter does Minato have to flower tree world or Hashirama instantly changing the battlefield with a clap of the hand? Hashirama could also simply use Mokuton clones within his forest to combat them as canonically the only person who could ever see him was Madara with EMS

The land area Flower Tree World covers is smaller than Perfect Susanoo, whom is only a mountain-sized. Biju Dama vaporizes an entire mountain, so Minato should easily blast the entire forest with Biju Dama.

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Landscape Mokuton isn't an issue. We've seen Minato could mark the entire crater created by Flash Biju Dama from Bee+Naruto and Tenepanchi. Perfect Susanoo and Mokujin - both are mountain-sized looked like dots inside the crater [

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] Teleporting outside the reach of Hashirama's Mokuton constructions isn't a problem for him. Not to mention the only construction that's bigger than a mountain in Hashirama's disposal is Shinsusenju; rest of his techniques are either mountain-sized, like the Wood Golem or smaller like Flower Tree World or Jukai Koutan. Minato has feats of marking landscapes that make mountains look like dots, so Hashirama's constructions have no way of catching him.

I don't see the issue with throwing a kunai near Hashirama. He could blitz him from close range. And the location works for Minato as well.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

What factors? i only said that Kurama jin is the only threat. I never said he wins. It dont matter what jins they try team up with.

Well no duh. You stated this after you made that claim. Saying "suppressing biju power" is not a reason because you didn't specify on which biju it would work on and point out the feats. You failed to do all of that. What reason do you have to play stupid?

Lmfao at bold. He already suppressed naruto with the wood dragon scan. Madara already came out and said its more than capable of suppressing 100% kurama. Naruto makes no difference here.

Are you stupid or you just don't know what suppressing mean?
Does this look suppressed to you?

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Wood dragon only has absorption properties, it does not have the power to suppress biju power or anybody for that matter. If Naruto was suppressed then he wouldn't of been able to change transformations or use shadow clone jutsu.

Cut the garbage with the under line. Hashirama was gonna redirect Juubi jin Tailed beast balls.

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Yet youre dumbass want to say he cant catch mesley kurama tailed beast balls. Sage mode or not Juubi jin is of a different magnitude yet a clone in base was gonna use deep forest emergence to handle it. Not even a wood golem

Shut the fuck up with that stupid fanboy shit. Hashirama specifically said that he needed the whole alliance to move the bijubomb. Deep emergency forest ain't doing shit. No need for Bsm naruto, just Bm naruto would blow the whole emergency forest and wood golem to dust just like the kyubi did at VoTe.

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This redirecting biju crap came from another idiot Dark rasengan in this thread.

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But since you're such an incompetent retard, you were clearly unable to read the scan that you post right in front of your face. Don't try that stupid shit with my again kid.

Hashirama wins= Claim
Biju suppressing techs and catching biju bombs= Facts that back said claim

Nothing radical about facts.

Hashirama can't suppress Naruto or even any jyubi jinchuuriki and neither can he redirect a jyubi's bijubomb you dumbass. So what you're saying is not a fact, it's just a radical stupid generalized claim. Fucking English dumbass, is it really that hard for you?

Why is so hard for you to comprehend that the wood dragon beat the avatar and not naruto?

What's so hard for you to comprehend the three manga pages of Naruto snapping the wood dragons neck? It didn't beat the avatar. Naruto is part of the avatar. What is so hard for you to understand? I guess Madara's wood construction beat Hachibi but not Bee too right? Dumbass drop that trolling shit already, you look stupid.

Pretty sure i did:

No stupid. You didn't:

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Now youre spinning what Tobirama said. I fckin cant:

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When the original weaves chakra it resonates to the clones. That's it. Hashirama's wood clone getting a cloak=/= hashirama getting a cloak. He was never shown with a cloak. Since he spent the entire time fighting Madara.

Says it himself here that when the original body starts weaving signs to gain chakra control, all the chakra that's been disperse starts to link up and resonate. Hashirama control the amount of chakra his clones can receive or takes. Is that not true?

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Because I think I need to take it step by step with with you.

Never have i read such palpable irony

Spare me the arrogant condescending talk and look at the dumb shit you just posted above. Fact=generic radical statement that doesn't apply to every comprehensive claim. ←You

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

hashirama low-mid diff.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Minato + naruto low diff.

 

[Oblivionx]

Hashirama gets abused by father son duo.
Minato can probably solo this.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well no duh. You stated this after you made that claim. Saying "suppressing biju power" is not a reason because you didn't specify on which biju it would work on and point out the feats. You failed to do all of that. What reason do you have to play stupid?

It works on all the bijuu -_-

Are you stupid or you just don't know what suppressing mean?
Does this look suppressed to you?

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Wood dragon only has absorption properties, it does not have the power to suppress biju power or anybody for that matter. If Naruto was suppressed then he wouldn't of been able to change transformations or use shadow clone jutsu.

I'm not stupid youre just blind. The fact that the avatar got reduced to a formless blob and nartuo had to use clones instead of the avatar to escape is proof that it got suppressed -_-.

Shut the fuck up with that stupid fanboy shit. Hashirama specifically said that he needed the whole alliance to move the bijubomb.

Except he didn't say that. His words verbatim="I'll use deep forest emergence to launch and guide them towards the ocean. "

I'll=I will. There's no "we" there

How u manage to underline it and crop it out in the picture yet still fail to comprehend that is beyond me.

Deep emergency forest ain't doing shit. No need for Bsm naruto, just Bm naruto would blow the whole emergency forest and wood golem to dust just like the kyubi did at VoTe.

your words against his and ill take his words over yours.

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This redirecting biju crap came from another idiot Dark rasengan in this thread.

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But since you're such an incompetent retard, you were clearly unable to read the scan that you post right in front of your face. Don't try that stupid shit with my again kid.

u didnt even disprove anything in that thread -_- stop tryna wank yourself

Hashirama can't suppress Naruto or even any jyubi jinchuuriki and neither can he redirect a jyubi's bijubomb you dumbass. So what you're saying is not a fact, it's just a radical stupid generalized claim. Fucking English dumbass, is it really that hard for you?

Scans of him saying he can do it; scans of other people saying hes already done it. Yet you still say he cant. Im crying over here this trash is too funny.

What's so hard for you to comprehend the three manga pages of Naruto snapping the wood dragons neck? It didn't beat the avatar. Naruto is part of the avatar. What is so hard for you to understand? I guess Madara's wood construction beat Hachibi but not Bee too right? Dumbass drop that trolling shit already, you look stupid.

What's so hard for you to comprehend the three manga pages of his avatar gettin absorbed down to nothing? It beat the avatar and he had to switch to clones. Cant u grasp that? No? guess we'll be here forever. Cuz if the avar did as you claim then it would still be there after the fact. But it wasn't

No stupid. You didn't:

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And as i already said. Clones don't count.

Says it himself here that when the original body starts weaving signs to gain chakra control, all the chakra that's been disperse starts to link up and resonate. Hashirama control the amount of chakra his clones can receive or takes. Is that not true?

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Because I think I need to take it step by step with with you.

For shadow clones sure, prove that to be the case for wood clones, Prove that i'll wait. Cuz its like i gotta slow shit down for your dumbass.

Spare me the arrogant condescending talk and look at the dumb shit you just posted above. Fact=generic radical statement that doesn't apply to every comprehensive claim. ←You

More irony.

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But its not being suppressed. I can't. It went from being equal if not bigger than the dragon to smaller than that dragons head. but no suppression is taking place.

Guy point out that its chakra is getting absorbed, but no suppression is happening.

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[Lord Tywin]

Hashirama gets destroyed. Nothing short of SS would beat Kurama by himself without a jinchuriki. Manga facts say that bijuu sare stronger with a jinchuriki. So is Kurama. Now double that power and add senjutsu and minato’s versatility with ftg, and Hashirama gets destroyed

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It works on all the bijuu -_-

No it doesn't :|

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I'm not stupid youre just blind. The fact that the avatar got reduced to a formless blob and nartuo had to use clones instead of the avatar to escape is proof that it got suppressed -_-

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No, you are stupid. Reducing the avatar in size is not suppression of chakra. When you're chakra is suppressed that means you will not be able to use your chakra and or ninjutsu AT ALL. And considering the fact that you said it was reduced to a "formless blob" is proof that his chakra was not and is not being suppressed.

Except he didn't say that. His words verbatim="I'll use deep forest emergence to launch and guide them towards the ocean. "

I'll=I will. There's no "we" there

How u manage to underline it and crop it out in the picture yet still fail to comprehend that is beyond me.

He said that "WE" need to change the spheres' trajectory. Not "I."
And here you are failing to read the words I specifically underlined for you just because you remain an incompetent illiterate fool. Using deep emergency forest is not enough, it's just part of the help needed to change the trajectory of those spheres. He still needs the hokages and the earth wall to move the thing. Playing dumbass is going to get you anywhere here.

your words against his and ill take his words over yours.

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u didnt even disprove anything in that thread -_- stop tryna wank yourself

You're the only idiot that thinks otherwise. Read what was said there. :| Even Warlock is smart enough to read the page and know that Hashirama can't do it himself. Dark Rasengan who's a bigger Hashirama fapper than you stopped arguing with me because he knows it's true too. So for you to deny means you're either...

1. Stubborn
2. Illiterate
or
3. Stupid.

In this case I can see it being all three since you argued with me this far.

Scans of him saying he can do it; scans of other people saying hes already done it. Yet you still say he cant. Im crying over here this trash is too funny.

Hashirama in no way shape or form said that he can move the biju bomb himself.

What's so hard for you to comprehend the three manga pages of his avatar gettin absorbed down to nothing? It beat the avatar and he had to switch to clones. Cant u grasp that? No? guess we'll be here forever. Cuz if the avar did as you claim then it would still be there after the fact. But it wasn't

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First the avatar is formless blob now you're saying it was reduced to nothing. This is why versus section idiots like you have no idea on what you're talking about. Don't need to repeat the rest a third time.

And as i already said. Clones don't count.

No you didn't. Look at the screen shot dumbass. All you said was that no hokage has kyubi chakra cloak and that I should prove it. You said nothing about a clone.

For shadow clones sure, prove that to be the case for wood clones, Prove that i'll wait. Cuz its like i gotta slow shit down for your dumbass.

How about the fact that Madara was complaining about him disputing less chakra into the clone that was fighting him, dumbass?

More irony.

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But its not being suppressed. I can't. It went from being equal if not bigger than the dragon to smaller than that dragons head. but no suppression is taking place.

Guy point out that its chakra is getting absorbed, but no suppression is happening.

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Hilarious. So the Avatar reducing in size is now suppressing chakra right? Just like when Hashirama reduced the size of the jyubi after suppressing it here right?

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Because not only is absorption properties the same as suppressing power properties but somehow Naruto is able to mold chakra into creating shadow clones while being suppressed?

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[BenjerminGaye]

I can't deal with people this stupid.

First its him saying wood dragon does not suppress bijuu, even though it already did so.

then its him saying hashirama cant redirect tailed beast balls, even tho he already did so

Now hes saying that the ten tails i e the juubi, is considered as one of the 9 tailed beasts i e. the bijuu.

Stop posting youre drunk

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I can't deal with people this stupid.

First its him saying wood dragon does not suppress bijuu, even though it already did so.

then its him saying hashirama cant redirect tailed beast balls, even tho he already did so

Now hes saying that the ten tails i e the juubi, is considered as one of the 9 tailed beasts i e. the bijuu.

Stop posting youre drunk

Good job dumbass. Realize your fail but don't blame me for it.

1.I never said wood style can't a suppress biju power, I said wood dragon specifically doesn't because it's power is to absorb. Just like wood expulsion blocks biju bomb blasts radius, wood golem is battle physique, and shinsu senju: artifacts of a buddha is his strongest projectile. But you're too much of a dumbass to realize that.

2. You said biju power, jyubi is a biju. In fact they're all a part of him. Is English that hard for you? And like I said before about Bm naruto is that he cannot be suppressed by wood style. His chakra cloak has too mch life energy and he broke the wood constructs suppressing Hachibi. But you ignore that part.

3.But more importantly the stupid redirecting a jyubi bomb. That's the dumbest shit going on for two pages now. You see it there written on the ****ing paper that he needs help to change the trajectory if the bomb. Obviously Hashirama can redirect kurama's single mountain busting biju bomb at a time in which case Bm naruto can do the same to 5 biju bombs at the same time without even transforming. And of course you're too stupid to realize that too.
Bsm Naruto however is the biju bomb that I specifically said Hashirama cannot redirect because of the senjutsu. Look at what senjutsu does to all of naruto's ninjutsu/chakra.

So stupid :| Like why? This is s serious question btw.

Bold: Oh the irony

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Good job dumbass. Realize your fail but don't blame me for it.

YOu being dense is the only reason don't feel like dealing with you anymore.

I never said wood style can't absorb, I said wood dragon specifically doesn't because it's power is to absorb. Just like wood explusion blocks biju bomb, wood golem is battle physique, and shinsu senju: artifacts of a buddha is his strongest projectile. But you're too much of a dumbass to realize that.

>I never said wood style can't absorb, I said wood dragon specifically doesn't

even tho
> wood dragon's power is to absorb.

So dense he contradicts himself.

Seriously now. Stop posting.

But more importantly the stupid redirecting a jyubi bomb. That's the dumbest shit going on for two pages now. You see it there written on the ****ing paper that he needs help to change the trajectory if the bomb.

Thats where your to dense again. The thing he asked them to do, Earth wall, won't change the trajectory:

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We already know that. Its why Hashirama said what he'll do. which is redirect them and guide them to the ocean. So its as I said and as he said. Hes the one doing it -_-

Obviously Hashirama can redirect a biju bomb in which Bm naruto can do the same to 5 biju bombs at the same time without even transforming.And of course you're too stupid to realize that too.

so if its that obvious why are you arguing with me that he can't do it.

Bsm Naruto however is the biju bomb that I specifically said Hashirama cannot redirect because of the senjutsu. Look at what senjutsu does to all of naruto's ninjutsu/chakra.

Sage mode does not give the bomb any properties that stops it from being redirected. Idiot. The juubi is nature chakra incarnate and leagues beyond naruto yet a clone a freaking clone was still gonna redirect its juubi bombs with one of the lesser wood style techs.

So stupid :| Like why? This is s serious question btw.

Bold: Oh the irony

Why you should stop posting? cuz youre too dense and stupid to actually read manga scans and see whats happening thats why.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

YOu being dense is the only reason don't feel like dealing with you anymore.


>I never said wood style can't absorb, I said wood dragon specifically doesn't

even tho
> wood dragon's power is to absorb.

So dense he contradicts himself.

Seriously now. Stop posting.

Wood dragon doesn't suppress dumbass only absorb.

Thats where your to dense again. The thing he asked them to do, Earth wall, won't change the trajectory:

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We already know that. Its why Hashirama said what he'll do. which is redirect them and guide them to the ocean. So its as I said and as he said. Hes the one doing it -_-

See how retarded you are? He said "we" can change the trajectory with deep emergency forest AND Earth wall. I literally underlined it for you and you're still arguing that he can do it himself when he literally said he needed help. You're the only one that believes this. You already lost anyways manga>you.

so if its that obvious why are you arguing with me that he can't do it.

He cannot redirect jyubi bomb and senjutsu covered biju bomb. It's too big.

Sage mode does not give the bomb any properties that stops it from being redirected. Idiot. The juubi is nature chakra incarnate and leagues beyond naruto yet a clone a freaking clone was still gonna redirect its juubi bombs with one of the lesser wood style techs.

Senjutsu increases the power and size of jutsus you retard. Hahsirama isn't redirecting any senjutsu bomb.

Why you should stop posting? cuz youre too dense and stupid to actually read manga scans and see whats happening thats why.

You're clearly retarded, illiterate, and too retarded to be pointing fingers at anybody right now. Especially when you couldn't read any of the words I underline. You're an absolute idiot.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wood dragon doesn't suppress dumbass only absorb.

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When madara disagrees with you, and hashirama disagrees with you Then youre wrong.

And INB4:hold down=/= suppress.

sup·press
səˈpres/Submit
verb
forcibly put an end to.
"the uprising was savagely suppressed"
synonyms: subdue, repress, crush, quell, quash, squash, stamp out; More
prevent the development, action, or expression of (a feeling, impulse, idea, etc.); restrain.
"she could not suppress a rising panic"
synonyms: conceal, restrain, stifle, smother, bottle up, hold back, control, check, curb, contain, bridle, inhibit, keep a rein on, put a lid on, hold down

they are synonyms end of discussion on that matter.

See how retarded you are? He said "we" can change the trajectory with deep emergency forest AND Earth wall. I literally underlined it for you and you're still arguing that he can do it himself when he literally said he needed help. You're the only one that believes this. You already lost anyways manga>you.

Except that's again literally not what he said.
Except he didn't say that. His words verbatim="I'll use deep forest emergence to launch and guide them towards the ocean."

That statement does not change what he said he'll specifically do. Manga> you

He cannot redirect jyubi bomb and senjutsu covered biju bomb. It's too big.
Senjutsu increases the power and size of jutsus you retard. Hahsirama isn't redirecting any senjutsu bomb.

stop talking out your ass. Size isn't a factor when it comes to the addition of senjutsu to attacks.

Sm rasengan:

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Same size.

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That very same rasengan with Senjutsu added:

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Same fckin size. Didn't get bigger at all.

It only gets bigger if the user wants to make a bigger jutsu:

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Nothing to do with senjutsu whatsoever. Try again.

You're clearly retarded, illiterate, and too retarded to be pointing fingers at anybody right now. Especially when you couldn't read any of the words I underline. You're an absolute idiot.

ok dumbass

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And its not even like wood dragon is his only suppressing tech.

Dude still has god gates:

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This:
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so back to my factual original post:

I doubt they gonna win. Hashirama has biju suppressing techs(i listed 3 thought this intire thread), and can catch Biju Bombs(no explanation necessary)

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

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When madara disagrees with you, and hashirama disagrees with you Then youre wrong.

And INB4:hold down=/= suppress.

sup·press
səˈpres/Submit
verb
forcibly put an end to.
"the uprising was savagely suppressed"
synonyms: subdue, repress, crush, quell, quash, squash, stamp out; More
prevent the development, action, or expression of (a feeling, impulse, idea, etc.); restrain.
"she could not suppress a rising panic"
synonyms: conceal, restrain, stifle, smother, bottle up, hold back, control, check, curb, contain, bridle, inhibit, keep a rein on, put a lid on, hold down

they are synonyms end of discussion on that matter.

Well look at you retard. You go and copy and paste a definition of suppress just because madara said "hold down," right?
Well at least you tried just a little bit. Now here's the difference between holding somebody down and then "suppressing chakra."

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Wood style suppresses chakra, not your physical body. Otherwise Kisame wouldn't of done this:

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Would you look at that. Looks like wood dragon doesn't suppress chakra after all. Since the kyubi still made a biju bomb and clawed the rest of the body off. Because wood dragon only absorbs chakra not suppress it you retard. Try again. Madara said it held the biju not suppress its chakra.

Except that's again literally not what he said.
Except he didn't say that. His words verbatim="I'll use deep forest emergence to launch and guide them towards the ocean."

That statement does not change what he said he'll specifically do. Manga> you

Except he did. He'll use deep emergency forest as a guide but he still needs earth wall to change the trajectory. He said so himself.
Manga>you everything I've stated so far is word for word off the manga. Still trolling hard. Nobody else agrees with you about it, go ask your friends here too.

stop talking out your ass. Size isn't a factor when it comes to the addition of senjutsu to attacks.

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Same size.

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That very same rasengan with Senjutsu added:

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Same fckin size. Didn't get bigger at all.

It only gets bigger if the user wants to make a bigger jutsu:

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Nothing to do with senjutsu whatsoever. Try again.

Sage art makes your chakra stronger, and it also does that by making its jutsus bigger.

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If senjutsu doesn't increase the size of your chakra jutsu, what's the point of learning it then?
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It's funny how stupid you are making yourself look like. Naruto used sage mode to sense danger to dodge 3rd Raikage's incoming attack. He's not going to increase the size of his rasengan since his aim is to hit his elbow. I could've used the shinsusenju example or the rasenshuriken example in which he used to attack edo madara too. Like you're really retarded as **** that it's not even funny.
You literally said that senjutsu doesn't increase the size of your chakra

ok dumbass

Shut up retard

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

And its not even like wood dragon is his only suppressing tech.

Dude still has god gates:

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This:
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so back to my factual original post:

Wood dragon doesn't suppress bijus stupid. I already posted the page of him using Sgae art gracious dety gates in which Obito tore it to shreds. Hachibi already said that the wild biju wasn't able to control its power and it was shooting it at random. With a host, it was able to control its power better and crumble deity gates into pieces. It wasn't even a perfect jinchuuriki yet and it did that (obito with no control). Now you're saying Naruto a perfect jinchuuriki that's beaten wood style suppression powers before is gonna fall to that?

You're desperate.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well look at you retard. You go and copy and paste a definition of suppress just because madara said "hold down," right?
Well at least you tried just a little bit. Now here's the difference between holding somebody down and then "suppressing chakra."

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Wood style suppresses chakra, not your physical body. Otherwise Kisame wouldn't of done this:

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And the kyubi wouldn't of been able to tear it to shreds:

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Would you look at that. Looks like wood dragon doesn't suppress chakra after all. Since the kyubi still made a biju bomb and clawed the rest of the body off. Because wood dragon only absorbs chakra not suppress it you retard. Try again. Madara said it held the biju not suppress its chakra.

You wanna que me in where I said "suppressing chakra"? Those words specifically. Cuz now you're just making up arguments that I never made. Im sure i said " suppressing techs" The god gate does not absorb chakra but by restricting movements its a biju suppressing tech. The wood dragon wraps around its target to restrict movement and absorbs chakra, as such its a biju suppressing tech. Its not my fault your grasp on the argument is so limited that you have to make up your own to in order to put together these weak rebuttals.

Except he did. He'll use deep emergency forest as a guide but he still needs earth wall to change the trajectory He said so himself.

except that's not what he said. If he's guiding the balls with deep forest emergence then by default he's changing the trajectory.

Manga>you everything I've stated so far is word for word off the manga. Still trolling hard. Nobody else agrees with you about it, go ask your friends here too.

lmfao the weaksauce fallacy. Appealing to the nonexistent audience. Its just me and you here bro.

Sage art makes your chakra stronger, and it also does that by making its jutsus bigger.

first part is true bold part is false.

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And the dumbass posts a scan that lirally contradicts everything he just said. More powerful chakra=/= bigger techs. Not how it works.

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theyre the size-_- Both are rasengans bigger than naruto's body.

If senjutsu doesn't increase the size of your chakra jutsu, what's the point of learning it then?
Now that I showed you the manga difference, now here's the Viz databook information on rasengan with natural energy:

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more fallacy. Its pathetic now. U already posted the reason you learn it(more powerful chakra=more powerful jutsu) yet youre here asking dumbass questions "hurr durr its automatically bigger" as if there's a correlation when there isn't. I already explained it to you.

It's funny how stupid you are making yourself look like. Naruto used sage mode to sense danger to dodge 3rd Raikage's incoming attack. He's not going to increase the size of his rasengan since his aim is to hit his elbow. I could've used the shinsusenju example or the rasenshuriken example in which he used to attack edo madara too. Like you're really retarded as **** that it's not even funny.
You literally said that senjutsu doesn't increase the size of your chakra

So you openly admit that its on the user to increase the size of the tech by putting more chakra into it, and it has nothing to do with sage mode. Thank you were done here.


And i never said the underline,what?
if you're just gonna make stuff up stop replying to me.

Wood dragon doesn't suppress bijus stupid. I already posted the page of him using Sgae art gracious dety gates in which Obito tore it to shreds. Hachibi already said that the wild biju wasn't able to control its power and it was shooting it at random. With a host, it was able to control its power better and crumble deity gates into pieces. It wasn't even a perfect jinchuuriki yet and it did that (obito with no control). Now you're saying Naruto a perfect jinchuuriki that's beaten wood style suppression powers before is gonna fall to that?

You're desperate.

are you really comparing naruto to ten tails?

is bsm naruto>ten tails in your eyes. Answer me that.

 

[Edogawa]

Regardless of whether Wood Dragon suppress or not, it won't be a factor in this matchup simply because Minato can teleport himself and Naruto via Hirashin out of it, if one of them is caught. This also includes Deity Gods as well. You two are arguing back-and-forth like children on something completely irrelevant against Minato.

And Hashirama cannot redirect Jubi's Tailed Beast Ball by himself, BenjerminGaye. He told the Shinobi Alliance to use Earth Walls for the purpose of slowing down the Tailed Beast Ball's momentum for him to redirect it to the ocean. That's teamwork task, not something he could by himself. And as I said before, Hashirama's ability to deal with Tailed Beast Ball is simply irrelevant in this matchup, because Minato can always teleport it to prevent him from catching it. Hashirama would stomp BSM Naruto, but not BM Minato.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Regardless of whether Wood Dragon suppress or not, it won't be a factor in this matchup simply because Minato can teleport himself and Naruto via Hirashin out of it, if one of them is caught. This also includes Deity Gods as well. You two are arguing back-and-forth like children on something completely irrelevant against Minato.

And Hashirama cannot redirect Jubi's Tailed Beast Ball by himself, BenjerminGaye. He told the Shinobi Alliance to use Earth Walls for the purpose of slowing down the Tailed Beast Ball's momentum for him to redirect it to the ocean. That's teamwork task, not something he could by himself. And as I said before, Hashirama's ability to deal with Tailed Beast Ball is simply irrelevant in this matchup, because Minato can always teleport it to prevent him from catching it.

already acknowledged that. Been posted that scan. However It should be acknowledged that that was a clone talking and not the original hashirama, the clone wasn't in sage mode, and it was gonna use hashirama's weaker wood techs. So it stands to reason that a sm hashirama using the rashomon gates to slow down the ball backed a more powerful wood tech (at least one in sage mode) he can redirect the juubi bombs. Doesn't matter however since juubi bomb>>>>>> any tailed beast ball from the likes of naruto or minato. sage mode or not. As for the minato direct teleport strat that relies on a kuani being remotely close to hashirama, which will never be the case when he can change the landscape and move through his wood constructs with ease.

He can try teleporting out but it won't stop his chakra from getting sucked. In an attrition game naruto and minato are on the losing end.

Hashirama has more chakra than them individually, and every run it with hashi can lead to them losing copious amounts of chakra whenever the dragon gets close.

Couple that with the fact that teleporting big targets takes time for minato (His own admission) its viability for quick saves drops, whenever either is in the avatar.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You wanna que me in where I said "suppressing chakra"? Those words specifically. Cuz now you're just making up arguments that I never made. Im sure i said " suppressing techs" The god gate does not absorb chakra but by restricting movements its a biju suppressing tech. The wood dragon wraps around its target to restrict movement and absorbs chakra, as such its a biju suppressing tech. Its not my fault your grasp on the argument is so limited that you have to make up your own to in order to put together these weak rebuttals.

Suppressing technique=Suppressing chakra because you cannot use techniques aka jutsu without chakra. Physically restricting movements (which it failed to do btw) is not a technique. So the only thing weak here is your pea-sized brain over here that can't tell the difference between the two. This retarded ass back and forth shit you're doing here is just digging yourself a bigger hole. YOU LOST. END OF STORY. The fact that you can't even comprehend simple English at this point of your life just means you should give up already because you're going nowhere with this stupid shit you're doing. It's not my fault that you're this stupid.

except that's not what he said. If he's guiding the balls with deep forest emergence then by default he's changing the trajectory.
lmfao the weaksauce fallacy. Appealing to the nonexistent audience. Its just me and you here bro.

This fan fiction bullshit. Underline where he said these specific words because you're just pulling shit out of your ass.

first part is true bold part is false.
And the dumbass posts a scan that lirally contradicts everything he just said. More powerful chakra=/= bigger techs. Not how it works.
theyre the size-_- Both are rasengans bigger than naruto's body.

Dumbass. Bigger chakra is stronger chakra. One rasengan at base isn't even bigger than Madara's ribcage susano'o and the other senjutsu rasengan is bigger than Kurama's head. That's why I posted the two you idiot.

more fallacy. Its pathetic now. U already posted the reason you learn it(more powerful chakra=more powerful jutsu) yet youre here asking dumbass questions "hurr durr its automatically bigger" as if there's a correlation when there isn't. I already explained it to you.

"hurr duur rasengan which is based of the tailed beast bomb functions in the same way and now hurr durr over here jiraiya's rasenag that clearly says is now bigger because of senjutsu hurr durr is fallacy."
You see the page and you're dumbass calls it a fallacy?

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So you openly admit that its on the user to increase the size of the tech by putting more chakra into it, and it has nothing to do with sage mode. Thank you were done here.

I said senjutsu was used to sense danger. Obviously it wasn't for the rasengan. Try again.

And i never said the underline,what?
if you're just gonna make stuff up stop replying to me.

Yes you did and you replied me. If you want this to stop, drop the stupid shit and let me leave the manga pages I left here on this page. It started with you "hurr durr" lmfao-ing at me and now it'll end with me trashing you in this section.

are you really comparing naruto to ten tails?

is bsm naruto>ten tails in your eyes. Answer me that.

Is Hashirama>ten tails? No? Exactly. I'm saying your scenario is baseless.