Howcome her other attacks are less destructive???
She casually soloed Capone with her punches. Her defense is absolute since none of the missiles reached her at the same time she pinned all her opponents down with her scream.
By saying it's inferior to Shanks' sky splitting feat, when in reality it's superior.
How does that attack is superior to Sky spitting attack???
You hype up Shanks' Haki as a means of putting Yonko on a pedastal by saying he could knock out all 100,000 of the Fishman Pirates army. The problem with this is, so could Rayleigh at his current stage. Also at his current stage, Rayleigh was losing to a Kizaru in a sword fight, and Kizaru doesn't even use a sword primarily. If Rayleigh this weakened stage could do it, then it's not really anything special. Especially not when commanders were capable of standing up to the guy that was beating Rayleigh.
Rayleigh and WB's age are almost same. WB renounced his title at MF because of his old age and deteriotating condition.One can say the same about Ray who doesn't involve in piracy these days. Most likely that he retired. So he became rusty.
If you want to go by "Pirate Captain," then the Yonko title=superiority still doesn't apply to Mihawk because Mihawk isn't a captain and doesn't have a crew.
He now has one. Perona travelled with him in the movie 3D2Y
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and she is still hanging with him in his mansion(as seen in the cover)
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Secondly, the originally Japanese text that Oda wrote this did not say "Four Strongest Pirates," but "Four Great Pirates." Meaning that the Yonko being the strongest pirates is a mistranslation. In cases such as these, original text supercedes English mistranslation. So the hype was never there.
I also like how you say "even the wiki," as if the wiki is a credible source.
The thing is if one attaches a sword with a spear(which the second description in that link says) then the resultant weapon will be part spear part sword.
Describing it is a mentality isn't really accurate anymore. While I've admittedly said so before, that doesn't sound like the best way to word it(will explain more below). Determining what a swordsman is in One Piece means looking at people who are classified as swordsmen and seeing what they have in common. The main thing that sticks out in swordsmen in One Piece is that swordplay is a primary part of their arsenal, meaning:
1. They regularly and consistently resort to swordplay
2. None of their other fighting styles exceed their swordplay in full capabilties
This holds true for all swordsmen in One Piece so far, so this is the criteria we use.
We definitively call Shanks a swordsman because Shanks has only been portrayed as a swordsman. Also, when we used "mentality" before, we definitely weren't talking about having the same personality. That's stupid. We were talking about the fact that their swordsmanship was never exceeded by any of their other abilities, showing a discipline towards using swordplay. "Mentality," as in, they didn't focus on another thing over their swordplay so much that their swordplay was secondary. That was obviously too misleading, since you think it meant "They're the same person," which is why I said above that it seems too inaccurate to say now.
So now we're overlooking when the manga said she's only ever been hurt while in her rage mode to assert Mihwak could overcome her Soul Fruit abilities as well as her haki. According to the manga how could he even hurt her? For someone who advocates adhering to the manga in the case of WSS title why disregard it in the case of her defense?
Also how is cutting a man made natural element MORE impressive than affecting the actual earth itself? Not to mention the Sky split further than Mihawk had to cut the iceberg.
It wasn't misleading, unlike you I argue the words people use at face value not my interpretation. When you talk about swordsman mentality you're talking about people who carry themselves with a specific demeanor, a demeanor which Shanks lacks. Swordsmen are proud, Shanks doesn't seem overly proud. Swordsmen like to handle things on their own, if Mihawk or Zoro had a bandit with a gun to their head they wouldn't have a Lucky Roo character shoot him they'd handle that "insult" themselves because that's their demeanor.
Man I stopped bringing points when I saw nothing other than "feeling" makes you guys continue to argue. It doesn't sit well in you that a "shichibukai" may be > Yonko captains and you have many expectations on Shanks. To push these notions, the more ridiculous "haki beast" puns was even formed lol.
Shanks may well be > Mihawk but until that is disclosed or written by Order he remains a swordsman henceforth below Mihawk
I have no issue with the notion it's the reasoning you guys use. The WSS title is misappropriated. Not to mention we have no instances of Shanks fighting to accurately assign a fighting method. All we have are clashes. From those clashes we can infer one of two things, neither of which can be verified; either Shanks used his primary method to stop these clashes or Shanks used a lesser means to stop these clashes since they weren't full fledged fights. Obviously I choose the latter and you the former but neither have proof behind them.
So now we're overlooking when the manga said she's only ever been hurt while in her rage mode to assert Mihwak could overcome her Soul Fruit abilities as well as her haki. According to the manga how could he even hurt her? For someone who advocates adhering to the manga in the case of WSS title why disregard it in the case of her defense?
Because you can see them causing less destruction.
She casually soloed Capone with her punches. Her defense is absolute since none of the missiles reached her at the same time she pinned all her opponents down with her scream.
The sky splitting attack was caused by Whitebeard and Shanks clashing with physical strength. That's great and everything, but Whitebeard's Quakes>Whitebeard swinging his Bisento with no Quakes infused.
So WB producing those tsunamis carry more power than the swing he did with Shanks, so the force behind those tsunamis>the force they split the sky with. Aokiji stopping the tsunamis means his ice is powerful enough to counteract their power. The fact that Mihawk is able to cut through that ice shows the power of his slash is able to counteract the power of Aokiji's ice. Therefore it's enough to counteract the power of WB's wave. There's also the fact that Mihawk was able to generate a slash that's large enough to match the size of the tsunami, with size of an attack being a decent indication of power in One Piece. Not to mention that Mihawk cutting the iceberg is basically the aftereffect of Mihawk missing Luffy, and the fact that he was attacking Luffy is enough to assume that he wasn't giving his all into that slash since it's Luffy.
Rayleigh and WB's age are almost same. WB renounced his title at MF because of his old age and deteriotating condition.One can say the same about Ray who doesn't involve in piracy these days. Most likely that he retired. So he became rusty.
Who gives a shit? It's world's strongest swordsman now, and he was noted to be the world's most powerful swordsman by Oda. No such comment about the Yonko have been made as far as we know.
The thing is if one attaches a sword with a spear(which the second description in that link says) then the resultant weapon will be part spear part sword.
So now we're overlooking when the manga said she's only ever been hurt while in her rage mode to assert Mihwak could overcome her Soul Fruit abilities as well as her haki. According to the manga how could he even hurt her?
We don't know HOW it would happen, as we haven't seen Mihawk's abilities. We do know that it WOULD.
The same way we don't know HOW Kaido beat Kid, but we know that would/did.
The same way we don't know HOW combining the Ope Ope and National Treasure would allow one to conquer the world, but we know that it WOULD.
The same way we don't know HOW Roger matched WB, but we know what he would/did.
The same way we don't know HOW Vegapunk can combine DF abilities with items, but we know he can.
Not knowing the specific method a thing will happen doesn't mean we can't assert that it CAN/WOULD happen with other information. Mihawk's title as WSS means that he WOULD beat Big Mom, even if we don't specifically know HOW.
For someone who advocates adhering to the manga in the case of WSS title why disregard it in the case of her defense?
These things are not mutually exclusive. Big Mom having this powerful defense but Mihawk being the WSS simply tells that us that, somehow, some way, Mihawk would get past it. Your pitiful attempt to make it look like I'm disregarding the manga couldn't be more inaccurate, since Mihawk's WSS title is from the manga itself.
Also how is cutting a man made natural element MORE impressive than affecting the actual earth itself?
We're really gonna sit here and act like the ice Aokiji creates with his Devil Fruit isn't more powerful than every day normal ice in the real world? Because if that's the level of foolishness we're reaching, then I'm done with this thread.
Not to mention the Sky split further than Mihawk had to cut the iceberg.
I have no issue with the notion it's the reasoning you guys use. The WSS title is misappropriated. Not to mention we have no instances of Shanks fighting to accurately assign a fighting method.
When Shanks and WB are engaging each other, Shanks engages WB first by drawing his sword.
When challenging BB pirates to war, he draws his sword to engage them.
When Shanks blocks an attack from an Admiral, he draws his sword to do so.
When he's a kid fighting the WB pirates on Roger's ship, he draws his sword.
When he thinks Ace is coming to fight him, he reaches for his sword.
Go ahead and name an instance where he didn't grab his sword after moving to fight.
All we have are clashes. From those clashes we can infer one of two things, neither of which can be verified; either Shanks used his primary method to stop these clashes or Shanks used a lesser means to stop these clashes since they weren't full fledged fights. Obviously I choose the latter and you the former but neither have proof behind them.
I m asking again howcome her other attacks are less destructive???
5years Linlin destroyed Elbafs village without any weapon, the lightining attack left a big hole(similar to one when Kaido fell from the sky), Prometheus burnt that tree to crisp and the wave is similar to WB's wave.
The sky splitting attack was caused by Whitebeard and Shanks clashing with physical strength. That's great and everything, but Whitebeard's Quakes>Whitebeard swinging his Bisento with no Quakes infused.
It can be assumed that he infused quakes in his bisento before making heavens split.
So WB producing those tsunamis carry more power than the swing he did with Shanks, so the force behind those tsunamis>the force they split the sky with. Aokiji stopping the tsunamis means his ice is powerful enough to counteract their power. The fact that Mihawk is able to cut through that ice shows the power of his slash is able to counteract the power of Aokiji's ice. Therefore it's enough to counteract the power of WB's wave. There's also the fact that Mihawk was able to generate a slash that's large enough to match the size of the tsunami, with size of an attack being a decent indication of power in One Piece. Not to mention that Mihawk cutting the iceberg is basically the aftereffect of Mihawk missing Luffy, and the fact that he was attacking Luffy is enough to assume that he wasn't giving his all into that slash since it's Luffy.
What??? WB's quakes caused Tsunami and Aokiji basically stopped the water by freezing it. Now if Aokiji wouldn't have stopped those waves and Mihawk used his attack then half of the tsunami would still have destroyed MF. His attack couldn't stop that tsunami completely(unless he use a barrage of slash attacks).
Regarding the size then heaven split is no small attack as it cut the clouds(and it covers more distance) clean like Mihawk's.
And Mihawk wasn't holding back.
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Who gives a shit? It's world's strongest swordsman now, and he was noted to be the world's most powerful swordsman by Oda. No such comment about the Yonko have been made as far as we know.
Its the same thing as you said. The Japanese translation at first said Mihawk was World Greatest Swordsman like Yonkos being 4 Greatest Pirates but later on Mihawk's title changed to WSS and the same can be said for Yonkos since 4most powerful captains is widely accepted in both manga and anime.
I m asking again howcome her other attacks are less destructive???
5years Linlin destroyed Elbafs village without any weapon, the lightining attack left a big hole(similar to one when Kaido fell from the sky), Prometheus burnt that tree to crisp and the wave is similar to WB's wave.
When WB uses Quakes on his Bisento, a bubble appears. And even if you want to say that WB used a Quake when he blocked Shanks, that's fine, it doesn't refute my point at all.
What??? WB's quakes caused Tsunami and Aokiji basically stopped the water by freezing it. Now if Aokiji wouldn't have stopped those waves and Mihawk used his attack then half of the tsunami would still have destroyed MF. His attack couldn't stop that tsunami completely(unless he use a barrage of slash attacks).
The bold is exactly what he could do. The slash that cut the iceberg was Mihawk swinging once to attack Luffy. Multiple swings=multiple slashes=bust the wave up.
Its the same thing as you said. The Japanese translation at first said Mihawk was World Greatest Swordsman like Yonkos being 4 Greatest Pirates but later on Mihawk's title changed to WSS and the same can be said for Yonkos since 4most powerful captains is widely accepted in both manga and anime.
No, the same can't be said for the Yonko unless you can find a scan of the Yonko being referred to as the four strongest in the Japanese text. Just because a lot of people accept the mistranslation, doesn't mean it's right.
Because those things haven't been as destructive in scale as Mihawk's attack. Quite simply, Mihawk's caused more destruction judgind by the scale.
When WB uses Quakes on his Bisento, a bubble appears. And even if you want to say that WB used a Quake when he blocked Shanks, that's fine, it doesn't refute my point at all.
The bold is exactly what he could do. The slash that cut the iceberg was Mihawk swinging once to attack Luffy. Multiple swings=multiple slashes=bust the wave up.
No, the same can't be said for the Yonko unless you can find a scan of the Yonko being referred to as the four strongest in the Japanese text. Just because a lot of people accept the mistranslation, doesn't mean it's right.
Bruh.. you literally said "If the Manga owner says you (A) are a swordsman, then B is a swordsman and you are the strongest swordsman. By default you A > B until B proves he is no swordsman or beats you."
So I simply asked you to show your proof of when or where Oda actually said this?
As for @bold this whole "when has Shanks done anything conflict related without using or reaching for his sword?" thing is old and played out.. as many members, including myself, have already stomped this argument numerous times..
When have we seen Shanks go all out? is the real question here.
Show me a scan where Luffy starts a fight with Gear 4th KKG or a scan where Zoro starts off using Asura to block his opponents first attack..
Shanks using his sword first actually favors more towards the argument that his sword/swordplay is his weakest form of fighting/attacking.. and that the longer a fight lasts or the more intense a battle gets, the higher the chances are that Shanks will be using something else in his arsenal other than his sword... something much stronger or effective.... at least, that's if we follow the basic formula of MOST Anime/Manga.. One Piece specifically follows this formula and that's all that matters in this discussion anyway..
Bruh.. you literally said "If the Manga owner says you (A) are a swordsman, then B is a swordsman and you are the strongest swordsman. By default you A > B until B proves he is no swordsman or beats you."
So I simply asked you to show your proof of when or where Oda actually said this?
This isn't a good comparison to Shanks using a sword. You're saying "When has Luffy started a fight with the highest level of his DF" or "A scan where Zoro starts off with the highest level of his swordsmanship." But when they engage in clashes, it's still using a Devil Fruit and it's still using swordsmanship, just basic levels and they gradually increase the level of what they're doing...but it's still the same fighting style.
The same way that Luffy engages people with basic or middle tier Rubber moves and saves his high tier ones for when he's going all out, and the same way that Zoro engages people with basic and middle tier swordplay and saves his high tier ones for when he's going all out, we can say that Shanks has engaged people with low and middle tier swordsmanship and hasn't shown his high tier swordsmanship yet.
You're saying that Shanks has an entirely different fighting style under his belt to reveal, and you're trying to support that argument by showing people using different levels of fighting. This argument fails because you're using examples of people having multiple levels of the SAME fighting style to support that Shanks has MULTIPLE fighting style. Makes no sense.
We've seen Mihawk display feats on par with two of the Yonko using just a sword, so it's not like Shanks can't match another Emperor using swordplay and Haki. This is a manga where people can cut mountains with casual sword slashes, so I'm not seeing where this argument that Shanks can't have Yonko-level sword techniques is coming from.
Shanks using his sword first actually favors more towards the argument that his sword/swordplay is his weakest form of fighting/attacking.. and that the longer a fight lasts or the more intense a battle gets, the higher the chances are that Shanks will be using something else in his arsenal other than his sword
No, it makes it lightly that Shanks would start using stronger sword techniques. The same way Zoro went from using slashes that would cut person to slashes that would cut a building to slashes that would cut a sword vs Pica. The same way that Mihawk used a flying slash that just gave Luffy a small wound on his side to amping it up to using a slash that could cut a mountain.
... something much stronger or effective.... at least, that's if we follow the basic formula of MOST Anime/Manga.. One Piece specifically follows this formula and that's all that matters in this discussion anyway..
Yeah. And that would be stronger sword techniques as Shanks been portrayed. For small fry, he'd use basic strikes. For higher tier people, the slashes get bigger and stronger. Simple as that.
Mihawk's best feat pre TS was to cut the Ice mountain.
Shanks best feat was to cut the clouds. Heaven split attack was far more impressive than Cutting Ice Mountain thing.
Even Oda hyped Shanks at some interview that if Shanks was in FI he would have knocked all 100000fishmen(some even assumed Hody was included). That's the hype Shanks got with Haki. But people will even dismiss that. They already dismissed Yonkos Hype(4 most powerful Pirate Captain). Even though one has casually took down Capone with few punches whereas other one has destroyed Kid and his alliance.
Just check the wiki before sprouting non-sense.
A bisentō (眉尖刀 brow blade) was a pole weapon used in feudal Japan. The bisentō has various descriptions,
"a double-edged long sword with a thick truncated blade",
"a spear-like weapon with a blade at the end that resembles a scimitar",
"a polearm resembling a glaive, with a long, heavy haft and a heavy, curved blade".
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Description given in wiki indicates:
1)It is a sword
2)It is part sword part Spear
3) It's a spear or Sword
Most of your descriptions point towards it being a spear/polearm, one description supports yours while two others don't. A bisento resembles a polearm more than a weapon and the manga itself doesn't treat WB like a swordsman. This is just a sad and retarded attempt to try and null Mihawk's title
It does matter. That's the only true way to judge how a character fights.. by seeing them go all out..
This isn't a good comparison to Shanks using a sword. You're saying "When has Luffy started a fight with the highest level of his DF" or "A scan where Zoro starts off with the highest level of his swordsmanship." But when they engage in clashes, it's still using a Devil Fruit and it's still using swordsmanship, just basic levels and they gradually increase the level of what they're doing...but it's still the same fighting style.
I knew someone would say this.. and I do understand your point.. I can admit that maybe my examples weren't the best choices, since I should've used WB, or Law, or Fujitora, etc.. but it's w/e, that was my bad..
Either way though my point still got across, except the Luffy or Zoro examples were just too easy for you to debate against.. lol I fk with you tho Howlett..
The same way that Luffy engages people with basic or middle tier Rubber moves and saves his high tier ones for when he's going all out, and the same way that Zoro engages people with basic and middle tier swordplay and saves his high tier ones for when he's going all out, we can say that Shanks has engaged people with low and middle tier swordsmanship and hasn't shown his high tier swordsmanship yet.
You're saying that Shanks has an entirely different fighting style under his belt to reveal, and you're trying to support that argument by showing people using different levels of fighting. This argument fails because you're using examples of people having multiple levels of the SAME fighting style to support that Shanks has MULTIPLE fighting style. Makes no sense.
Again, Luffy and Zoro weren't the best examples, but my point still stands that we never see a character using the best possible option in their arsenal at the beginning of a fight or conflict..
I'm not saying that Shanks has a "different fighting style" other than using his sword is a fact.. I'm just saying that when people say "Oh he only uses or reaches for his sword in every conflict" it actually doesn't help the argument that he's strictly a swordsman.. in fact, it leans more towards supporting the people arguing that he has more tricks up his sleeve.. (whatever they might be)
We've seen Mihawk display feats on par with two of the Yonko using just a sword, so it's not like Shanks can't match another Emperor using swordplay and Haki. This is a manga where people can cut mountains with casual sword slashes, so I'm not seeing where this argument that Shanks can't have Yonko-level sword techniques is coming from.
I never said he couldn't have Yonko-level sword techniques.... don't know where you got that from bro..
Btw.. I'm curious on where do you place Haki in all of this... if Mihawk is a Swordsman, and uses any kind of Haki during a fight, What does that mean to you?
Observation Haki and Armament Haki are pretty clear, I feel like.. I think we would have the same thoughts.. whether a swordsman uses them or not, their still fighting with their sword so that's still their main and only fighting style right?
I mean, obviously Conqueror's Haki is a big mystery in all of this.. since we don't even know the full potential of what it can do during battle.. but that's what I want to know your opinion on, if we find out Conqueror's Haki can be used in a way to physically attack people (I'm not talking about just knocking out fodder here), or if it can be used in ways to benefit the user greatly, and if a swordsman uses it in a fight, is that considered another fighting style in itself to you?
No, it makes it lightly that Shanks would start using stronger sword techniques. The same way Zoro went from using slashes that would cut person to slashes that would cut a building to slashes that would cut a sword vs Pica. The same way that Mihawk used a flying slash that just gave Luffy a small wound on his side to amping it up to using a slash that could cut a mountain.
Yeah. And that would be stronger sword techniques as Shanks been portrayed. For small fry, he'd use basic strikes. For higher tier people, the slashes get bigger and stronger. Simple as that.
Well this is the truth, yes it is possible that Shanks is only a swordsman after all.. and what you're saying about Mihawk and Zoro is absolutely correct.. and the same could be said for Shanks if he does turn out to be just a swordsman.
But the fact of the matter is, that it hasn't been proven yet in the manga.. that's my point.
Shanks acted as a swordsman 7 out of 7 times he was about to fight. 0 times he's done anything that isn't swordsmanship. That's portrayal that Shanks is a swordsman.
It does matter. That's the only true way to judge how a character fights.. by seeing them go all out..
No, the only way to judge how a character fights to look at what they've done so far in the series during fights. 7 out of 7 times, Shanks has been a swordsman. Could that change later on? Yes. But we have zero instances of Shanks being anything but a swordsman, so saying he's anything but a swordsman has absolutely no basis.
I knew someone would say this.. and I do understand your point.. I can admit that maybe my examples weren't the best choices, since I should've used WB, or Law, or Fujitora, etc.. but it's w/e, that was my bad..
Those would also be shit points because WB regularly combines his Quakes with his Bisento, and Law and Fujitora both use enhanced swordplay as their strongest styles of fighting.
Either way though my point still got across, except the Luffy or Zoro examples were just too easy for you to debate against.. lol I fk with you tho Howlett..
And it was still a bad point, since your logic is that Shanks has to do something else other than swordsmanship when he gets serious, when we've seen that swordsmanship can be taken to not only higher levels, but levels that match Yonko and Admirals using their Devil Fruit.
I'm not saying that Shanks has a "different fighting style" other than using his sword is a fact.. I'm just saying that when people say "Oh he only uses or reaches for his sword in every conflict" it actually doesn't help the argument that he's strictly a swordsman.. in fact, it leans more towards supporting the people arguing that he has more tricks up his sleeve.. (whatever they might be)
Yes, Shanks definitely has more tricks up his sleeve. But going by the way swordsmen have been portrayed, and the way that Shanks has been portrayed, his other tricks are more likely to end up being higher levels of swordsmanship, and there is no basis in the manga that him getting more serious means he's bringing out anything other than higher levels of swordsmanship.
I never said he couldn't have Yonko-level sword techniques.... don't know where you got that from bro..
If you aren't presenting arguments that show that Shanks' Yonko-level moves aren't sword techniques, then you aren't refuting our points that Mihawk>Shanks.
Btw.. I'm curious on where do you place Haki in all of this... if Mihawk is a Swordsman, and uses any kind of Haki during a fight, What does that mean to you?
1. Enhances his swordplay, meaning it's still swordplay. Mihawk has already shown during the Zoro training flashback that using Haki on your sword is quintessential to being a swordsman, so it's not something that's regarded as separate.
2. If Shanks has some other fighting style that revolves around Haki, it's not gonna be better than his swordplay with the way he and swordsmen have been portrayed in OP.
But the fact of the matter is, that it hasn't been proven yet in the manga.. that's my point.
We also know nothing about his sword. His sword alone could be powerful. And his skill could add to its power vice versa. Like zoros samurai sword was evil and had a mind of its own. Just saying it can probably cut things that shouldn't be cut or already scratch tgem
Because you can see them causing less destruction.
Okay.
The sky splitting attack was caused by Whitebeard and Shanks clashing with physical strength. That's great and everything, but Whitebeard's Quakes>Whitebeard swinging his Bisento with no Quakes infused.
So WB producing those tsunamis carry more power than the swing he did with Shanks, so the force behind those tsunamis>the force they split the sky with. Aokiji stopping the tsunamis means his ice is powerful enough to counteract their power. The fact that Mihawk is able to cut through that ice shows the power of his slash is able to counteract the power of Aokiji's ice. Therefore it's enough to counteract the power of WB's wave. There's also the fact that Mihawk was able to generate a slash that's large enough to match the size of the tsunami, with size of an attack being a decent indication of power in One Piece. Not to mention that Mihawk cutting the iceberg is basically the aftereffect of Mihawk missing Luffy, and the fact that he was attacking Luffy is enough to assume that he wasn't giving his all into that slash since it's Luffy.
Thank you for making an observation that explains why my statement is true instead of one that attempts to refute my statement.
Perona accompanying Mihawk in a non-canon special makes Mihawk the captain of a crew? You're joking.
And that makes them a pirate crew? She simply lives with him.
Who gives a shit? It's world's strongest swordsman now, and he was noted to be the world's most powerful swordsman by Oda. No such comment about the Yonko have been made as far as we know.
Which a Bisento is not.
We don't know HOW it would happen, as we haven't seen Mihawk's abilities. We do know that it WOULD.
The same way we don't know HOW Kaido beat Kid, but we know that would/did.
The same way we don't know HOW combining the Ope Ope and National Treasure would allow one to conquer the world, but we know that it WOULD.
The same way we don't know HOW Roger matched WB, but we know what he would/did.
The same way we don't know HOW Vegapunk can combine DF abilities with items, but we know he can.
Not knowing the specific method a thing will happen doesn't mean we can't assert that it CAN/WOULD happen with other information. Mihawk's title as WSS means that he WOULD beat Big Mom, even if we don't specifically know HOW.
These things are not mutually exclusive. Big Mom having this powerful defense but Mihawk being the WSS simply tells that us that, somehow, some way, Mihawk would get past it. Your pitiful attempt to make it look like I'm disregarding the manga couldn't be more inaccurate, since Mihawk's WSS title is from the manga itself.
We're really gonna sit here and act like the ice Aokiji creates with his Devil Fruit isn't more powerful than every day normal ice in the real world? Because if that's the level of foolishness we're reaching, then I'm done with this thread.
Visual representation on the pages. The sky splitting was depicted across a greater area than Aokiji's ice. You are disregarding the manga though, you're holding on to old information over current information. Current information says BM can't be hurt outside of her rage moments until retconned.
[SARCASM]Yeah, I'm sure that Whitebeard created more force swinging his Bisento than when he does the exact same swing, but with the power of his DF added onto it. Swing>Same swing+DF. Makes perfect sense.[/SARCASM]
You are disregarding the manga though, you're holding on to old information over current information. Current information says BM can't be hurt outside of her rage moments until retconned.
"Old" information? Mihawk's title of WSS is not "old" information, that's still current information since it's still currently true in the manga. "Old" information would be information that is no longer true. Roger being the Pirate King is information that comes before Mihawk being WSS, is that "old" information that we should disregard now? **** outta here
[SARCASM]Yeah, I'm sure that Whitebeard created more force swinging his Bisento than when he does the exact same swing, but with the power of his DF added onto it. Swing>Same swing+DF. Makes perfect sense.[/SARCASM]
"Old" information? Mihawk's title of WSS is not "old" information, that's still current information since it's still currently true in the manga. "Old" information would be information that is no longer true. Roger being the Pirate King is information that comes before Mihawk being WSS, is that "old" information that we should disregard now? **** outta here
What you feel makes sense means less than what was shown. The heavens split over the seeable ocean, Aokiji froze a wave a fraction of the size of the MF territory.
It's still old information that hasn't been kept up on. The WSS title was intro'd hundreds of chapters ago and never expanded so you're taking old established ideas and forcing them over current concepts that are beyond the old information we have. Yes Roger being PK is old information but there's been no new information presented that raises any questions about it, BM's current information is above Mihawks and is more current therefor more relevant.
What you feel makes sense means less than what was shown. The heavens split over the seeable ocean, Aokiji froze a wave a fraction of the size of the MF territory.
It's not about what I feel makes sense, it's about what objectively makes sense. You're BSing if you're gonna sit there and tell me that WB's swing is more powerful when he DOESN'T attach a Quake to it.
It's still old information that hasn't been kept up on. The WSS title was intro'd hundreds of chapters ago and never expanded so you're taking old established ideas and forcing them over current concepts that are beyond the old information we have.
Yes, because Oda is gonna take something that has been firmly established such as the WSS, which is the final goal of one of the Strawhats, and reveal that it's actually meaningless and is an outdated concept.
At this point, you're just reaching into your own ass to find any crap to say because there's nothing left for you to grab at.
Yes Roger being PK is old information but there's been no new information presented that raises any questions about it, BM's current information is above Mihawks and is more current therefor more relevant.
It's not above Mihawk's. Big Mom has great durability, but it's never been stated to be absolute. Mihawk's title still holds fast in that it means that he can break through it in some way.
