[Discussion] The Big Mom bet

[Love Cook]

Love Cook, I'm pretty sure you realize that you and I technically have a different bet than what is in this thread..

Honestly speaking, (and I'm just being 100% fair) if Big Mom does in fact get defeated this arc, but Luffy DOESN'T kick her ass in anyway, like he literally doesn't do shit to her and other characters bring her down completely, then that means I still lose our bet. lol

Although you and I did start this whole bet thing, you and I actually have a different bet than what this actual thread is about.. lol

Can you remind me the original bet ?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Can you remind me the original bet ?

I seem to recall the original claim being BM will fall this arc and Luffy will be involved. Then this bet thread was made.

 

[Love Cook]

I seem to recall the original claim being BM will fall this arc and Luffy will be involved. Then this bet thread was made.

Yeah well, I made this call because there were theories about Kaidou/BB or other powers might get involved. So in this bet I limited to the people that were introduced in this arc.

If Kaidou would come in and knock out Big Mom it wouldn't be a Luffy win now would it ?

 

[LBeezy]

Can you remind me the original bet ?

Well, the original bet started from me literally just saying "how much do you wanna bet Luffy kicks Big Mom's ass?"... and then you came up with the avatar change idea.. we discussed the topic in general a little further until you eventually made this thread.

While I've been saying that I don't know who's going to land the final blow(s) yet.. and I've been saying that Luffy will be receiving help to take Big Mom down.. I also initially said that I'm betting on Luffy kicking her ass physically at some point during this arc..


So being the stand up guy that I am, I was just reminding you that even if Big Mom is defeated this arc, or not, if Luffy doesn't actually physically kick her ass, then I still lose the bet. lol

 

[Itachi Minato]

Well, the original bet started from me literally just saying "how much do you wanna bet Luffy kicks Big Mom's ass?"... and then you came up with the avatar change idea.. we discussed the topic in general a little further until you eventually made this thread.

While I've been saying that I don't know who's going to land the final blow(s) yet.. and I've been saying that Luffy will be receiving help to take Big Mom down.. I also initially said that I'm betting on Luffy kicking her ass physically at some point during this arc..


So being the stand up guy that I am, I was just reminding you that even if Big Mom is defeated this arc, or not, if Luffy doesn't actually physically kick her ass, then I still lose the bet. lol

What if Luffy has a little skirmish with her, the bomb goes off and they decide to run? I'm 100% sure Luffy will at least clash with her. Also, what if Luffy becomes the law in this scenario and Bege actually defeats her?

 

[Love Cook]

What if Luffy has a little skirmish with her, the bomb goes off and they decide to run? I'm 100% sure Luffy will at least clash with her. Also, what if Luffy becomes the law in this scenario and Bege actually defeats her?

That is all covered in the first post.

Luffy can use anyone and anything on the island. So if he forms an alliance with Bege (who is on the island) and he uses the bomb (which is on the island). It counts as a win for team Luffy.

If Luffy has a skirmish and Weevil comes in and steals the kill. It doesn't count.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

That is all covered in the first post.

Luffy can use anyone and anything on the island. So if he forms an alliance with Bege (who is on the island) and he uses the bomb (which is on the island). It counts as a win for team Luffy.

If Luffy has a skirmish and Weevil comes in and steals the kill. It doesn't count.

The whole thing was because LBreezy was saying Luffy will beat Big Mom in a 1v1 no handicaps. Some of us were saying that wouldn't happen unless we get more developments that weaken BM first. Aside from that, no way in hell would Luffy take out BM. With the Brokers, that seems possible now.

 

[chopstickchakra]

The whole thing was because LBreezy was saying Luffy will beat Big Mom in a 1v1 no handicaps. Some of us were saying that wouldn't happen unless we get more developments that weaken BM first. Aside from that, no way in hell would Luffy take out BM. With the Brokers, that seems possible now.

I don't recall L saying Luffy would beat BM 1v1 you mind finding that post?

That is all covered in the first post.

Luffy can use anyone and anything on the island. So if he forms an alliance with Bege (who is on the island) and he uses the bomb (which is on the island). It counts as a win for team Luffy.

If Luffy has a skirmish and Weevil comes in and steals the kill. It doesn't count.

Hey Love there is somethings I'd like to clarify too.

Wedding guests -

Any guests shown sailing into WCI the day of the wedding, what if they get in on the fight but Luffy still defeats BM that doesn't void the win right? Because they weren't on the island and could prove intricate to BM's fall.

Any guests shown leaving board on WCI, meaning they were there waiting for the wedding already but we didn't know until the day of the wedding, if they get in on the fight and one of them beats BM that's a Luffy team win or no?

Sun Pirates -

Sun Pirates by all reason should be on WCI since the moment we saw Jinbei show up but they haven't been shown. How do they fall into the bet. It's possible Jinbei had them stationed off the island until he called so not too sure how you wanna play that since Jinbei is included but his crew may not be on the island at the moment?

 

[Love Cook]

I don't recall L saying Luffy would beat BM 1v1 you mind finding that post?



Hey Love there is somethings I'd like to clarify too.

Wedding guests -

Any guests shown sailing into WCI the day of the wedding, what if they get in on the fight but Luffy still defeats BM that doesn't void the win right? Because they weren't on the island and could prove intricate to BM's fall.

Any guests shown leaving board on WCI, meaning they were there waiting for the wedding already but we didn't know until the day of the wedding, if they get in on the fight and one of them beats BM that's a Luffy team win or no?

Sun Pirates -

Sun Pirates by all reason should be on WCI since the moment we saw Jinbei show up but they haven't been shown. How do they fall into the bet. It's possible Jinbei had them stationed off the island until he called so not too sure how you wanna play that since Jinbei is included but his crew may not be on the island at the moment?

As long as wedding guests don't play a big part in Big Mom's defeat in the end, I think we all would know when that is or isn't happening.

Also I think it was shown that the Sun pirates were docked right outside WCI when they talked about Aladdins' wedding with BM's daughter. And Pekoms is nursed back to health on their ship according to last chapter. So I would count that as on the island, they're part of this arc from the start.

Let's use this diagram to draw the line who is on the island right now.

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[LBeezy]

What if Luffy has a little skirmish with her, the bomb goes off and they decide to run? I'm 100% sure Luffy will at least clash with her. Also, what if Luffy becomes the law in this scenario and Bege actually defeats her?

Then it all depends on how Luffy and Big Mom perform during this "little skirmish" of yours.. (for my bet ofc)

Same goes for your second question.. it all depends on what Luffy actually does to Big Mom.. if it isn't worthy of being considered "kicking her ass" in anyway, then I don't see how I could possibly win my bet with Love Cook.. lol

 

[zamki]

As much as I enjoy One Piece , I would like to see the story pace up already . Besides this , I believe BM will get beaten at the end of the arc , be it by the hands of Luffy or another (Would be great to see an elephant gun sending BM flying).

 

[LBeezy]

As much as I enjoy One Piece , I would like to see the story pace up already . Besides this , I believe BM will get beaten at the end of the arc , be it by the hands of Luffy or another (Would be great to see an elephant gun sending BM flying).

Hell yeah!!

 

[LBeezy]

This arc is almost officially over.. and I don't see any signs of Big Mom being defeated or brought down by Luffy.. lol so Love Cook! Let's go bro! Pretty soon (in just a couple more chapters I'd say, [to be on the safe side lol] cause you can never truly know with Oda.. it's never over til it's over) I shall be changing my avatar to an embarrassing picture of your choice.. haha

Obviously I've already stated countless times, that I don't want to put Big Mom as my avatar.. I would've probably gone with Zoro or something for you, if you lost the best. So if you can be creative with your choice, that'll be cool..

But yeah, anyway.. start picking out an avatar for me bro. Lmao I'll be using it soon.. :NO:


Fml XD

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

This arc is almost officially over.. and I don't see any signs of Big Mom being defeated or brought down by Luffy.. lol so Love Cook! Let's go bro! Pretty soon (in just a couple more chapters I'd say, [to be on the safe side lol] cause you can never truly know with Oda.. it's never over til it's over) I shall be changing my avatar to an embarrassing picture of your choice.. haha

Obviously I've already stated countless times, that I don't want to put Big Mom as my avatar.. I would've probably gone with Zoro or something for you, if you lost the best. So if you can be creative with your choice, that'll be cool..

But yeah, anyway.. start picking out an avatar for me bro. Lmao I'll be using it soon.. :NO:


Fml XD

Damn that hurts XDXD

 

[Love Cook]

This arc is almost officially over.. and I don't see any signs of Big Mom being defeated or brought down by Luffy.. lol so Love Cook! Let's go bro! Pretty soon (in just a couple more chapters I'd say, [to be on the safe side lol] cause you can never truly know with Oda.. it's never over til it's over) I shall be changing my avatar to an embarrassing picture of your choice.. haha

Obviously I've already stated countless times, that I don't want to put Big Mom as my avatar.. I would've probably gone with Zoro or something for you, if you lost the best. So if you can be creative with your choice, that'll be cool..

But yeah, anyway.. start picking out an avatar for me bro. Lmao I'll be using it soon.. :NO:


Fml XD

It ain't over until the fat lady sings. I will count it when Luffy is of the island.

In the meanwhile I'm hunting for avatar.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

tamato god and I made a bet on whether sanji would fight dogtooth or not in this arc.
you in?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Luffy already answered this:

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[MickNerks]

When you realize you were on the right side of history lol

Big Mom is not taking an "L" this arc

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[LBeezy]

It ain't over until the fat lady sings. I will count it when Luffy is of the island.

In the meanwhile I'm hunting for avatar.

Lmao truuue.. the fat lady being Big Mom of course xd haha

But yeah, Luffy officially leaving the island works for me..

 

[Hellioncurse]

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In the latest manga discussion thread there is a split between people who believe Luffy will beat Big Mom this arc and people who think Big Mom will not fall this arc. LBeezy wanted to turn this into a bet, and here we are. The Great Big Mom Bet of 2017.

What is this bet about ?​

So there are two options to keep this simple, since One Piece is hard to predict. Either:

1) Big Mom will be defeated by Luffy, or an alliance led by Luffy (like on Dressrosa) with the people currently present on Whole Cake Island before the end of the current arc.

2) Big Mom will not be beaten by Luffy this arc.

So there will always be a winning camp no matter what. Luffy doesn't have to solo her, but he has to be the one fighting her and "kicking her ass" for this to result in a Luffy camp victory. All other outcomes result in a Big Mom win. For example if for whatever reason an outsider (Kaidou, Shanks, Aokiji or whoever) arrives on WCI and plays a role in the downfall of Big Mom that will result in a victory for the Big Mom camp. You have to base this on the military strength Big Mom has left, and the allies and rebels Luffy might gather on the island when fighting her.

The wager​

To keep this fun there has to be something on the line that everyone here can deliver. So the proposal is to change the avatars of the losing side for the duration of the Wano arc in the manga.

I think it would be funny if the side who is cheering for a Luffy victory would replace their avatar with a picture of Big Mom, that seems only right if you suffered defeat at her hands. You're now part of the Charlotte family and have to sail under her flag.

The Luffy winning side is a bit more difficult because a Luffy avatar is not as much as a punishment for some people. But In my case I was willing to change my avatar from Sanji to Zoro during the Wano arc. Seeing as how I am the 'Sanji guy' in the eyes of a lot of people here. I'm sure there are some people who would think it is amusing to see that there for a pretty long time.

Maybe we can get 2 custom "loser" images made in the art section of the forum. So that the punishment is the same for everybody in the bet. We can discuss this in the thread below.

To enter the bet post a message in this thread and vote in the poll, so we've documented proof that you're in this. If you don't want to play, don't post or vote because you will have to suffer the consequences.

There are already a few people in the discussion thread ready to place a bet. I expect them to see them here as well and cement their promises.

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I don't like that you're ruling out outside help if Luffy's still involved, if they come for the specific intent of helping Luffy it should count(say if Sabo, or Neko shows up with WB remnants) now if they come for their own reason and happen to beat her it should count for BM(say if Kaidou comes and fights over Caesar), but I'll take it either way.

The Zoro ava is too easy, make it Pudding or Vergo maybe?

It's unfair to say that Luffy didn't defeat Big Mom if someone stronger than him defeats Big Mom for him? lol wut

I am of the opinion that Big Mam gets taken out by the Tatame Bako so I will take your bet.

I will go with option 2. I need an image change anyway

I do think that Love Cook is being very nice and lenient with this bet.. and I commend you for that.. there's just two things that bother me..

1. Like Chopstickchakra said, I agree that if someone else comes to the Island as a surprise, it shouldn't effect what I'm betting, if Luffy still physically kicks Big Mom's ass at some point in this arc.. and by the end of this arc, if Big Mom is defeated by a group of characters all helping each other, or by other means, if Luffy still kicked her ass physically at some point, I should win the bet. Because that is what I'm betting on.


2. This avatar thing is eehhh.. I'd never put a b¡tch as my ava.. so do you have another suggestion that you want me to do? (And chopstickchakra's Vergo idea for you is better than Zoro imo.. cause Zoro isn't a bad ava at all.. lol)

Big Mom's a gonna. As for who will take her out, it'll be Sanji Vinsmoke. Luffy and co will battle the Vinsmokes who'll try to intervene. Its been called the 'year of sanji' for a reason.

It was all leading up to this. Sanji's finally going to strike a women and it will be none other than big moma!

I really want something different from this Oda-senpai. Don't do the old cliche thing Oda-san :/

That's my bet. Probably wrong but i don't tend to just go with the flow of things. In particular, you dictating the circumstances of a bet.

I cannot see Big Mom going down by any means in this arc. She's one of the strongest pirates in the world, for her and her entire empire to be toppled by half the strawhats who aren't even there to fight her is just absurd. Even if they had help from literally every wildcard on the Island (Bege, Germa, Katakuri and Snack are the big ones), Big Mom would still win.

Winner of the Whole Cake Island Arc: Big Mom.

Ooh I like this! My vote is that Big Mom won't get beaten, I just can't see it happening, either the Stawhat's will escape during an interruption, whether it be the bomb or Capone interfering, but I think Nami will convince them to get on the Sunny and get out of there... Although I can see Big Mom possibly getting in the news for being defeated, but it'll be because of someone else and I could almost even see Oda opening up a Yonko spot that'll will kick off shit in the background whilst we're over at Wano.

As I don't have have an avatar I'll take whatever punishment is decided for me! (Although as a point of reference, can't say I'm a fan of; Usopp, Mr. 3, Wapol (or his 2 crewmates), Kidd (just for pure overhype :/)

Luffy will win either way im with the bet.. and cook if you lose you need to change your av to naruto or dbz since u guys hate it so much id rather see yalll sporting a manga that you call cliche or bad writing 247.. tryna cop out with a zoro pic isnt gonna work ill back out of the bet if you and riker dont agree to this.

I ****ing hate bigmom as a character and as a pirate.. so if i have to change my sasuke av ima b mad but there is no way if yall lose im letting yall get off with a zorro pic or any onepiece pic.. its either naruto or dbz or no bet lmao.

as much as i hate it.. it will most likely end up with luffy beating bm at the end of the arc
can't see anything good gonna happen anymore in this terrible arc, but maybe oda saves it with bm finally going mad as hell after all going down for her rn

Crop this into an avi and give him this

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The coolest guy and his girl.

I'm in.

I'll go with the second option.

Big Mom will not be beaten by luffy this arc

A lot of jimbos will get rastled at the end of this arc:lol

I put my wager on the straw hats and if I lose someone can pick my avatar.
Just remind me so I don't forget

Big mom to win.

As far as i'm concerned i think Big Mom only has 2 possible routes at this point. Either Luffy will punch her in the face or she'd be off-paneled by someone else. For the sake of the story, it's the most viable options she has now. I'd love the first option to happen though The only thing that makes me hesitate is the pacing declared few months ago

I'm betting on BM not getting beat. But if Luffy ends up beating due to some BS that doesn't make sense it shouldn't count.

luffy will kill big mom

nice tranny sanji avatar btw

Now that Capone is in, how are we doing this ?

Nothing changes. As previously mentioned, Luffy can make use of anything or anyone that is already present on WCI. Bege fits that bill.

The whole thing was because LBreezy was saying Luffy will beat Big Mom in a 1v1 no handicaps. Some of us were saying that wouldn't happen unless we get more developments that weaken BM first. Aside from that, no way in hell would Luffy take out BM. With the Brokers, that seems possible now.

As much as I enjoy One Piece , I would like to see the story pace up already . Besides this , I believe BM will get beaten at the end of the arc , be it by the hands of Luffy or another (Would be great to see an elephant gun sending BM flying).

Damn that hurts XDXD

tamato god and I made a bet on whether sanji would fight dogtooth or not in this arc.
you in?

Luffy already answered this:

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Boom Shaka Laka

So now what? Big is gonna get knocked out.


The purpose of Germa atp is to help & stop the rest of the Big Mom crew, while Strawhat's leave this island peacefully but if they want they can just Kill Big Mom after she passes out? But they did not come to raise a full fledged war? as they came to WCI to take back Sanji and the print of pone-glyph (and succeeded in that).

The ramification of this Victory would be a clash between Big Mom Vs Kaido Vs Supernova's Vs Admiral (Marines).
Which would make the MF arc look small when compared to this War (i believe this what Oda stated, not too long ago).

Big Mom anger turning towards Fishmen Island but since it was already predicted that Fismen Island will be destroyed and in her vision she saw Strawhat, so it's easy to connect the dots now (as Luffy is the reason that Fishmen Island might get destroyed).

Like i said above they did not come for a full fledged war and they only came to retrieve Sanji and take the print of Poneglyph and they succeeded but if they wanted to they could have killed Big Mom right here and now (after she passes out) since they have defeated one of the three main power houses and one is going to be defeated shortly. Only Big Mom will be considered as threat after this arc and if Cracker and Katakuri gets a role again after this arc? Luffy will defeat them again since he will surpass Katakuri after this arc and after his fight with Katakuri and then we have Smoothie (i seriously can't say much about her) who is weaker then Katakuri?

Now what remains is the number of subordinate's Big Mom have which should be equalized by Luffy's newly formed captains.

So right here, right now they are defeated ( Big Mom and her army could not do anything about it, Only think they succeeded is killing some irrelevant character who was introduced in this arc only and was killed in this arc only, which happens to be Lola's father and then come Pedro who's life span was already taken and that dude was showing suicidal tendencies to be precious. After saying all that we never know Oda, he might come back alive and the explanation could be he was struggling with his life, till he saw full moon.;

And also this:
Especially if knocking out BM releases the souls of her homies. Then BM's organization has a lot of rebuilding to do across Tottoland, as a lot of their infrastructure is homie based, and it took years of soul tributes from the citizens to achieve that.