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Lightbringer said:
Yet Obama has never implemented the law because it was unconstitutional.

Such acts have been officially deemed unconstitutional as per the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
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Obama did with Iraq refugees due too terrorism in 2011.

Also Trump executive order isn't deemed unconstitutional.

Cato Institute’s David J. Bier claims the temporary suspension is illegal because, in his view, it flouts the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. This contention is meritless, both constitutionally and as a matter of statutory law.
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Mr. Bier asserts that Trump may not suspend the issuance of visas to nationals of specific countries because the 1965 immigration act “banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin.” And, indeed, a section of that act, now codified in Section 1152(a) of Title 8, U.S. Code, states that (with exceptions not here relevant) “no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, ***, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence” (emphasis added).

Even on its face, this provision is not as clearly in conflict with Trump’s executive order as Bier suggests. As he correctly points out, the purpose of the anti-discrimination provision (signed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1965) was to end the racially and ethnically discriminatory “national origins” immigration practice that was skewed in favor of Western Europe. Trump’s executive order, to the contrary, is in no way an effort to affect the racial or ethnic composition of the nation or its incoming immigrants. The directive is an effort to protect national security from a terrorist threat, which, as we shall see, Congress itself has found to have roots in specified Muslim-majority countries. Because of the national-security distinction between Trump’s 2017 order and Congress’s 1965 objective, it is not necessary to construe them as contradictory, and principles of constitutional interpretation counsel against doing so.

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Federal immigration law also includes Section 1182(f), which states: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate”

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Trump’s executive order also expressly relies on an Obama-era provision of the immigration law, Section 1187(a)(12), which governs the Visa Waiver Program. This statute empowers the executive branch to waive the documentation requirements for certain aliens. In it, Congress itself expressly discriminates based on country of origin.

Under this provision, Congress provides that an alien is eligible for the waiver only if he or she has not been present (a) in Iraq or Syria any time after March 1, 2011; (b) in any country whose government is designated by the State Department as “repeatedly provid[ing] support for acts of international terrorism”; or (c) in any country that has been designated by the Department of Homeland Security as a country “of concern.”
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Lightbringer said:
So explain to me the reason of the ban in those specific countries and not the ones that caused terrorist attacks?

Honestly, you expect me to believe that you were a Bernie supporter when you've only defended Trump?

"The executive action, 'Protecting The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States,' targets seven nations: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Trump has no business interests in those countries.

One other thing they have in common, as NPR's Greg Myre writes: 'No Muslim extremist from any of these places has carried out a fatal attack in the U.S. in more than two decades.'

The 19 terrorists in the Sept. 11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates, Myre points out. They are among the Muslim-majority countries not affected by Trump's immigration freeze, but where Trump does business.

He has significant commercial interests in Turkey and Azerbaijan, is developing properties in Indonesia and Dubai, and has formed companies in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. His daughter Ivanka said in 2015 that the company was looking at 'multiple opportunities in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Saudi Arabia — the four areas where we are seeing the most interest.'"


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Woah, woah, woah. I was never a Bernie Sander's supporter, I don't know where that's coming from lol. To quote myself from one of our previous discussions;
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(Sidenote: I was really pushing for Rand Paul to be nominated as the republican candidate, but it never came to fruition).
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My opinions on the ban is that I'm still in favor of it, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't rushed, unprepared, and unorganized. The status on whether or not visa holders, green card holders, or dual citizens are effected by the ban is confusing, I've heard green card holders and dual U.S. citizens have apparently been exempted, although a formal document hasn't been made to do so. I think it's too early to say the ban has failed, but it's definitely concerning as it is.

Edit: I wasn't aware, but apparently they're deciding on who's effected by the ban on a case by case basis.
 
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~WastelandSociety~ said:
Old joke,but if taken seriously then it's just America. Otherwise if it is Amerikkka there wouldn't be Lil Wayne rapping about how much money and cars he's got.
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If you think America isnt racist just because the white supremacist that run the country let some black people rap about the very thing that promotes negative racist views to blacks, then your ingnorance is atounding. America was built and founded upon racism and disenfranchisement of those that are not white its the most American thing there is. There wouldn't be a classic traditional America without the racism of white on top and everything else on the bottom, particularly blacks.

Trump had fuking clan members in the rallies you are just choosing to ignore racism at this point. Why the hell does the kKK still exist if America isnt racist? Why are there still racist all over the country if there is no racism in America? As Long as we continue to divide ourselves amoung race in this country there will always be racism.
 
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Bling Kai said:
If you think America isnt racist just because the white supremacist that run the country let some black people rap about the very thing that promotes negative racist views to blacks, then your ingnorance is atounding. America was built and founded upon racism and disenfranchisement of those that are not white its the most American thing there is. There wouldn't be a classic traditional America without the racism of white on top and everything else on the bottom, particularly blacks.

Trump had fuking clan members in the rallies you are just choosing to ignore racism at this point. Why the hell does the kKK still exist if America isnt racist? Why are there still racist all over the country if there is no racism in America? As Long as we continue to divide ourselves amoung race in this country there will always be racism.
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Ok. Right America is filled with racist.
Blacks are racist.
Whites are racist.
Mexicans are racist.

The KKK members supported Hillary or Trump.
The black panthers calling to kill whites.
BLM leaders wanted to separate people by race "if you're white,get in the back".

You're totally right America does have some racist people.
But it's still not Amerikkka.

You saying white supremacist run the country is about as idiotic as people are for saying white supremacy won the super bowl.
 
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