[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 852 Discussion and 853 Predictions
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You and mistikk. Profusely. When you want Oda to write the lesser and more nonsensical of two stories solely because you want Luffy to look good, then you're riding him.
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lol how am I hating on Luffy or Luffy fans, especially when he's my second favorite character? You're not being a fan of Luffy, you're fanboying him.
If I had no reason to believe Luffy was too weak to beat Big Mom, if I had no reason to believe the story has made efforts to pit Kaido against Big Mom, then I'd be hating on Luffy. But, I do have all of those reasons.
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You're trying to say I'm "riding" Luffy all because I just want him to fulfill his own words and defeat a character who I no longer want to see in the story any more, so we can progress and move forward to other characters and matters..
I'm not saying Luffy > Kaido + Shanks + Blackbeard + all the admirals
And I'm not even saying that I think he's going to take down Big Mom all alone, I do believe there will be some help.. (since technically he's already been receiving help)
What I'm saying is logical, and supported by the manga.. so when someone says "oh you're dickriding Luffy, you're just a fanboy.", that someone then sounds like a hater.
Plain and simple.
Edit: if you believe that Luffy is too weak to beat Big Mom, then that's your fault.. and another reason why you sound like a hater on Luffy..
You and I are reading the same story, and the way Oda has portrayed things so far, to me (someone who doesnt hate), he can have Luffy beat Big Mom by the end of this arc..
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So you want Oda to waste the world-building he's been doing just because you're bored with a character and because you want Luffy to look good? That's not only fanboying, but that's being spoiled as shit.
It's not at all logical for Luffy to go from weaker than Big Mom to strong enough to beat Big Mom in one day. And even if you try to pull the "Luffy will have help" bit, it still won't change that then Oda would be wasting the connections between Big Mom and Kaido by keeping them and their storylines apart. I like how not one of you has been able to defend why Oda wasting these connections is better for the story than exploring them.
The story is, believe it or not, bigger than just Luffy.
Lemme get this straight.
1. Luffy battles Cracker in an all-out, 100% serious, end-of-arc level fight, and barely wins because he has Nami helping him.
2. Big Mom is stronger than Cracker
Sooooo what about that is supposed to indicate that Luffy ISN'T weaker than Big Mom?
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Lol, weren't you the same one that posted a scan of Luffy screaming that he will defeat Big Mam, as if that is enough evidence to prove that he can defeat BM?
You want to have this idea in your head that Luffy is supposed to take on everything and everyone despite him being significantly weaker than his opponents, and whoever disagrees is supposedly a hater or not a "real fan" of Luffy, while not accepting the fact that Luffy is not always strong enough to take on everyone. What is wrong with the notion that maybe Luffy can't win this one and is not ready? As a matter of fact, people have already mentioned this, so I am just repeating it, but his performance with Cracker should be proof enough where he stands when it comes to his power and strength compared to a Yonko. Why are you in such a rush to see Luffy defeat someone that he is clearly not on equal standing with, as opposed to Big Mam facing someone of her own caliber like Kaido, while Luffy escapes with his crew and finds a way to train, home their skills and get stronger so that they can actually face a yonko the next time? Wouldn't that make for a much better storytelling instead of Luffy supposedly beating BM simply because "he has to" kind of thing?
You are trying to turn this into a Naruto war arc thing where "I have to win because I am the only one who can do it and it is my right because I am the MC" shit where we don't get any type of exploration or creativity and you just want to see Luffy kick everyones ass simply because you think it looks cool.
You want to talk about being a "real fan" of Luffy, if you were actually a real fan of Luffy then you would understand how strong he is and not just want him to rush and get almost demolished because he was cocky and thought he could just "kick someones ass."
You think by saying that Luffy isn't ready to fight Big Mam means that someone is hating on him, but that just makes you a fanboy.
You are.
... and this ignorant response proves it.
You want to have this idea in your head that Luffy is supposed to take on everything and everyone despite him being significantly weaker than his opponents, and whoever disagrees is supposedly a hater or not a "real fan" of Luffy, while not accepting the fact that Luffy is not always strong enough to take on everyone. What is wrong with the notion that maybe Luffy can't win this one and is not ready? As a matter of fact, people have already mentioned this, so I am just repeating it, but his performance with Cracker should be proof enough where he stands when it comes to his power and strength compared to a Yonko. Why are you in such a rush to see Luffy defeat someone that he is clearly not on equal standing with, as opposed to Big Mam facing someone of her own caliber like Kaido, while Luffy escapes with his crew and finds a way to train, home their skills and get stronger so that they can actually face a yonko the next time? Wouldn't that make for a much better storytelling instead of Luffy supposedly beating BM simply because "he has to" kind of thing?
You are trying to turn this into a Naruto war arc thing where "I have to win because I am the only one who can do it and it is my right because I am the MC" shit where we don't get any type of exploration or creativity and you just want to see Luffy kick everyones ass simply because you think it looks cool.
You want to talk about being a "real fan" of Luffy, if you were actually a real fan of Luffy then you would understand how strong he is and not just want him to rush and get almost demolished because he was cocky and thought he could just "kick someones ass."
Lol, what? How is that hating when he's right. The fact that you think Luffy can gain a certain level of power in the same arc that he was struggling with one of Big Mam's commanders to take on Big Mam herself is why you are riding him.
You think by saying that Luffy isn't ready to fight Big Mam means that someone is hating on him, but that just makes you a fanboy.
Like I've already said to you posts ago..
It will be a waste of world-building if Luffy doesn't kick her ass..
And no I'm not "bored".. I read each new chapter as excited and entertained as ever.. I thought we were discussing the future of the story in general here? And how we want it to play out? I'm in no rush.. I just know what I would like to see by the end.. and I'm not being "spoiled" because I will respect whatever path Oda decides to go.. unlike you, on the other hand, who sounds like a spoiled brat whining about how "if Oda doesn't bring Big Mom and Kaido together to fight then it's a waste of world-building!"
So far, the majority of what you say applies to you way more than it does to me.
All out? So Luffy used KKG on Cracker?
You fail so hard here because why does Cracker have to be physically weaker than Big Mom?
Is your own mother irl stronger than you?
Is Buggy stronger than everyone in his crew just because he is the captain?
Yeah that's what I thought.
You have no manga proof to back up what you just said..
Yet the manga has clearly shown Luffy causing more physical destruction than Big Mom.
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I posted the scan.
I did not post the scan as "enough evidence to prove that he can defeat BM."
Know the difference.
Nah.. that would be more appropriate to say to me, If I was shouting out "Let's get to Wano so Luffy can one shot Kaido already! Yeah!"
But I'm not.. and you're wrong.
Nope.
I already explained why Riker sounded like a hater on a previous post.. and my explanation wasn't what you just said here..
Try again.
I do accept that tho... ?
Nothing.
Which is why I said I'd rather have him try and fight and lose rather than running away..
But no, me saying I'd rather have him fight and lose than run away is considered "riding him".. lmao grow up.
Everything I've already written on this thread is literally enough to refute everything you just said.
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It really wouldn't be.
If Oda decides to go ahead and take Big Mom out of the story now, I'm sure I'll be entertained and content by it. But I know it'd be better writing objectively if Oda's writing combined the storylines of Big Mom and Kaido. Either way will be entertaining, but when one is objectively better, that's the one I have to root for.
With how far Cannon Ball through Cracker, it might as well be as strong as KKG.
Does this look like a person who was holding back?
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After Luffy used Boundman twice, he passed out and fell asleep. The fact that he fell asleep against Cracker shows he used up an amount of energy in that general ballpark, so it's safe to say that he did go damn near all out.
So being able to cause more physical destruction=stronger than someone? Cracker and Luffy can be physically stronger than Big Mom all they want to be, that's not the only aspect of battle.
By your logic, Doflamingo defeats Whitebeard because he destroyed an entire country while Whitebeard failed to destroy one building with several bloodlusted and rage-filled Quakes. Isn't that what you like to say about Big Mom? That her angry rampage failed to do anything? So did Whitebeard's rage filled Quakes. I guess Doflamingo is Yonko level and would beat Big Mom since he reduced an entire country to rubble while Big Mom in all her rage didn't, right?
I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat myself.. but let's see if you can understand..
I know that physical destruction isn't the only aspect of battle.
I have said that I think Luffy will receive help against Big Mom.
So my point is, that when Luffy gets his chance and has an opening to hit Big Mom with all that he's got, it will K.O. her.
And for another time, I won't mind it at all if what you're saying about Big Mom and Kaido's stories colliding comes true..
Luffy kicking Big Mom's ass is just my personal preference for what I want to happen..
In fact, we can both get what we want if Oda writes the story a certain way to where it all lines up perfectly.. lol
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What BS denial is this? Kaido killed Oden, searching for Road, Real Ponyglyphs etc and you are saying this? I mean even Raizo mentioned the reaosn Oden was killed was because he refused to tell Kaido about real truth, Real Ponyglyphs etc
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Man at least get up to date with the rest of my posts. Looking foolish as all shit since I already addressed why Caesar would be more urgent to Kaido than getting a Poneglyph at this stage of the story IF he does want to become Pirate King.
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Riker why are u ignoring Breezy's theory???
If Luffy Beats BM now then he will have one less character between him and OP.
BM vs Kaido makes no sense.
I doubt Kaido even know who Caesar is otherwise he would have sent calamities behind SHs after PH arc. I think he thought somebody from Doffy family made those things or Doffy had that smile df formula i.e why Jack wasted not a single second when he heard Doffy was captured. Now let's assume at Wano Caesar announced that he was the one who created those fruits, do u think Kaido will let him go outside Wano??? If not then you are saying that BM will declare war on Kaido because of Ceasar(which again makes no sense considering the fact that they never fought for road poneglyph till now)
If Luffy Beats BM now then he will have one less character between him and OP.
BM vs Kaido makes no sense.
I doubt Kaido even know who Caesar is otherwise he would have sent calamities behind SHs after PH arc. I think he thought somebody from Doffy family made those things or Doffy had that smile df formula i.e why Jack wasted not a single second when he heard Doffy was captured. Now let's assume at Wano Caesar announced that he was the one who created those fruits, do u think Kaido will let him go outside Wano??? If not then you are saying that BM will declare war on Kaido because of Ceasar(which again makes no sense considering the fact that they never fought for road poneglyph till now)
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And if Big Mom and Kaido take each other out, that's two less people between him and OP. By your logic, my way still ends up better.
Big Mom wants to keep the only guy who can make SMILEs possible for herself and her own research, or she'll murder him. That alone is enough reason for Kaido vs Big Mom even without all the connections between them.
This doesn't necessarily suggest that Kaido doesn't know who Caesar is. It simply could be that he doesn't know Caesar was even kidnapped by them. Do we know that Kaido even knows that Caesar is in trouble?
If Kaido doesn't know who Caesar is or that he's in trouble, that's something Oda can easily fix by having news involving Caesar, Big Mom and the SHs get out, and having a subordinate tell him upon them seeing that news.
Big Mom has shown herself to be a woman who would kill her own daughter for ****ing up her plans and goals. She already had Bobbin destroy an entire town because they wouldn't give her treats, and threatened to destroy all of Fishman Island over candy. You really think Big Mom is the type of person who'd sit around and let Kaido take the only person capable of making her giantification dream a reality come true?
Whether it be giants or SMILE, both Big Mom and Kaido need Caesar since he's the only one who can make those possible. That alone is enough to warrant them going after each other if either one tries to kill or otherwise remove Caesar from the other's play. Like I explained in another post, Kaido keeping Caesar to himself is far more important at this stage of the story than acquiring Big Mom's Poneglyph.
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