[VS] Kakuzu vs 3T Itachi

[RedRobin]

Sigh. You're contradicting yourself.

"after his first death." -- "Itachi has no idea he has to kill him several times."

Once Kakuzu is resuscitated, Itachi's perspective on Kakuzu's anatomy would be fortified -- Irrelevant however, due to the Tengan allowing its user to see the at a cellular level (i.e. Sasuke).

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Previously noted capability enables Itachi to pinpoint the organs harbored inside of Kakuzu & masks effortlessly;

Knowledge of multiple hearts & Itachi being the greatest mind in the Naruto franchise, an inference of Kakuzu's composition would become elementary.

You're not acknowledging that Kakuzu's mask all contain similar chakra (i.e. Kakuzu's), and that Genjutsu affects the entirety. The masks aren't separate entities, that'd be asinine.

Explanation is simplistic. The case is similar to Orochimaru's appearance through Anko's CM -- Consciousness remains if one's chakra is existent.

Basis; Kakuzu's mask are puppeteered through his own conscious, rather than being separate beings.

There's no way around Itachi being victorious here. Concede.

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Except they moved when he was unconscious and they have their own chakra.

 

[Booker]

How about the fact that he survived an incomplete FRS and the clone explosion doesnt compare.

Rasengan blasts through concrete walls but is unable to do significant damage to a corpse.

There is a double standard for how explosions are portrayed in the manga, because Kishi usually doesn't like showing extreme amounts of gore. Even when he dismembered Hidan, you couldn't really see any of the damage.

 

[Pretentious]

Except they moved when he was unconscious and they have their own chakra.

Read, before you speak.

You're not acknowledging that Kakuzu's mask all contain similar chakra (i.e. Kakuzu's), and that Genjutsu affects the entirety. The masks aren't separate entities, that'd be asinine.

Explanation is simplistic. The case is similar to Orochimaru's appearance through Anko's CM -- Consciousness remains if one's chakra is existent.​

Stultus.
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[Brother Numpsay]

Sigh. You're contradicting yourself.

"after his first death." -- "Itachi has no idea he has to kill him several times."​

Thats not contradicting.

As I clearly said that it works out in Kakuzu's favor, knowing what Itachi did to kill him the first time. And immediately form countermeasures once revived.

Once Kakuzu is resuscitated, Itachi's perspective on Kakuzu's anatomy would be fortified -- Irrelevant however, due to the Tengan allowing its user to see the at a cellular level (i.e. Sasuke).

Already canon that the Sharingan cannot comprehend Kakuzu's anatomy [

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Previously noted capability enables Itachi to pinpoint the organs harbored inside of Kakuzu & masks effortlessly; Knowledge of multiple hearts & Itachi being the greatest mind in the Naruto franchise, an inference of Kakuzu's composition would become elementary.

You're not acknowledging that Kakuzu's mask all contain similar chakra (i.e. Kakuzu's), and that Genjutsu affects the entirety. The masks aren't separate entities, that'd be asinine.

Thats only half the truth [

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Explanation is simplistic. The case is similar to Orochimaru's appearance through Anko's CM -- Consciousness remains if one's chakra is existent. Basis; Kakuzu's mask are puppeteered through his own conscious, rather than being separate beings. There's no way around Itachi being victorious here. Concede.

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[RedRobin]

Read, before you speak.

Stultus.
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Again they have their own chakra as per DB. They are separate entities.

Rasengan blasts through concrete walls but is unable to do significant damage to a corpse.

There is a double standard for how explosions are portrayed in the manga, because Kishi usually doesn't like showing extreme amounts of gore. Even when he dismembered Hidan, you couldn't really see any of the damage.

Thats not relevant at all as we arent even talking about a regular rasengan. FRS is an explosion in itself and its a much bigger one than the clone explosion so it doesnt kill Kakuzu.

 

[Pretentious]

Thats not contradicting.

As I clearly said that it works out in Kakuzu's favor, knowing what Itachi did to kill him the first time. And immediately form countermeasures once revived.




Already canon that the Sharingan cannot comprehend Kakuzu's anatomy [

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Thats only half the truth [

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How dreary. You're being daft to reason.

A strategy cannot be constructed when trapped inside of an illusive reality. It's impossible without clairvoyance through Doujutsu, or sensing.

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam -- Especially on the pretense; Itachi > Sasuke > Kakashi in natural aptitude with the Tengan.

"like a separate living organism" --

1. Having the same characteristics or qualities as; similar to.
2. As though; as if.​

Acting similar does not mean facsimile.

Chakra enables Kakuzu control -- Chakra contains one's conscious.
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[Booker]

Again they have their own chakra as per DB. They are separate entities.



Thats not relevant at all as we arent even talking about a regular rasengan. FRS is an explosion in itself and its a much bigger one than the clone explosion so it doesnt kill Kakuzu.

You're missing my point. The damage that explosions cause in the manga are way too inconsistent to make that claim. I'm just letting you know that the reason Kakuzu wasn't shredded to pieces like the ground around him was because Kishi wanted him to have a final conversation with Kakashi.

He doesn't get that luxury here in the Battle forum.

 

[LoZelda101]

He could, whos arguing against it?



Thats assuming, again, that Itachi has intel that he needs to die multiple times.

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. It required him to keep him in Tsu.

He can't use tsuku with his right eye

 

[Brother Numpsay]

A strategy cannot be constructed when trapped inside of an illusive reality. It's impossible without clairvoyance through Doujutsu, or sensing.

I'm not being reasonable? Arent you the one disagreeing with Bee, Chiyo, and Itachi himself?

I never implied that Kakuzu himself can do something while in paralysis so I suggest you re read my point.

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam -- Especially on the pretense; Itachi > Sasuke > Kakashi in natural aptitude with the Tengan.

No I never asserted that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false. I asserted that we already witness the Sharingan being ineffective, therefore is ineffective lol. Being more natural doesnt change the properties that Sharingan can or cant see.

"like a separate living organism" --

Acting similar does not mean facsimile.

Obviously not because its impossible for a hand to live on itself. Doesnt change the fact that they are in its own way.

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He can't use tsuku with his right eye

Point?

 

[LoZelda101]

Point?

I fail to see why he can use an eye that has already been sealed.

 

[ToshiZO]

You're missing my point. The damage that explosions cause in the manga are way too inconsistent to make that claim. I'm just letting you know that the reason Kakuzu wasn't shredded to pieces like the ground around him was because Kishi wanted him to have a final conversation with Kakashi.

He doesn't get that luxury here in the Battle forum.

Lmfao, is that why kakashi had to use up more chakra to end him with a Raikiri?

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[Brother Numpsay]

I fail to see why he can use an eye that has already been sealed.

Tsu is left eye...

 

[LoZelda101]

Tsu is left eye...

I know. which he clearly couldn't use

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[Brother Numpsay]

I know. which he clearly couldn't use

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Wow I never notice. I only went by the context of Itachi's plan.

 

[Booker]

Lmfao, is that why kakashi had to use up more chakra to end him with a Raikiri?

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Yes? I don't understand how this supports your point.

 

[ToshiZO]

Yes? I don't understand how this supports your point.

Supports what point? Lmfao you're confused.

According to you Kakuzu was only left in that shape so he could talk to Kakashi, but the author clearly showed he needed one more move to actually be put down after taking FRS. So, yea..

 

[Booker]

Supports what point? Lmfao you're confused.

According to you Kakuzu was only left in that shape so he could talk to Kakashi, but the author clearly showed he needed one more move to actually be put down after taking FRS. So, yea..

You're right, your stupidity is confusing me.

And? That's entirely in line with what I'm saying. If Kishi left him alive to speak with Kakashi, he'd still need to be killed in some fashion.

 

[ToshiZO]

You're right, your stupidity is confusing me.

And? That's entirely in line with what I'm saying. If Kishi left him alive to speak with Kakashi, he'd still need to be killed in some fashion.

What a shitty argument. This is what passes as an argument? If the author clearly showed he needed one more move to be put down, then that is exactly what he was able to survive till, you being asshurt over it because you don't like it doesn't change that.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You're right, your stupidity is confusing me.

And? That's entirely in line with what I'm saying. If Kishi left him alive to speak with Kakashi, he'd still need to be killed in some fashion.

Kakashi isn't cold blooded enough to kill a man he knew sure gonna die. Kakuzu clearly needed to kill him.

 

[Booker]

What a shitty argument. This is what passes as an argument? If the author clearly showed he needed one more move to be put down, then that is exactly what he was able to survive till, you being asshurt over it because you don't like it doesn't change that.

Are you saying you want to argue that base Kakuzu (no domu) is stronger than solid rock and can tank an FRS that created a massive crater in said solid rock?

Kakashi isn't cold blooded enough to kill a man he knew sure gonna die. Kakuzu clearly needed to kill him.

What? Reread what I'm saying.