I'm convinced you guys can't read. None of you here. Lmfao I just read through this page again and I'm baffled how bad peoples reading comprehension can be.
You dumbasses are out here arguing G4 vs Zoro lmfaoo.
I'm gonna take a guess and say because Zoro was involved some of you got way too overexcited, settle down there and learn to read peoples posts, before destroying those keyboards. I get it you don't like Zoro, doesn't stop you from atleast trying to read.
Bitch you're really getting annoying. first you ask me to show a Luffy attack that has the same destructive power as Zoro's move. I post 1 and you moan that it is G4, What is wrong with that ?
Also skipping the entire part where I ripped apart your a-hole about your made up math. You're a dodging little worm who only repeats himself and refuses to read. But I'm glad that at least 5 other people are ripping into your fairy tales.
You are hyping Zoro using brute strength+cutting to destroy stone. I was showing you that smashing stone is nothing to heart attack over as guys weaker than Zoro can destroy a good chunk of the golem and guys using like 5-10% of their full power eclipse Zoro's feats.
You are the one saying that Zoro can do a better job against Cracker than Luffy or at least destroy a biscuit soldier because he cut stone. Zoro doesn't compare to G4. End of story.
Lastly, why all the "YOU MAD!!!" comments? Run out of arguments so all you can do is claim people are stupid & upset? Ok.
How do those guys have more destructive power then sanji sanji set a massive enemy on fire and burned his entire body with one single attack from one single point of contact that's a lot of surface area and send him flying. Pre time skip he still flipped oars over with one anti manner kick course and also deflected pars Gomu no bazooka with his diable jambe and that's pre time skip your really delusional both pica and wadasumi were fodder wouldn't be able to push the M3 even the slightest zoro's attack is no where on the level of Gear 4 that shows your beyond delusional so that attack would've defeated doflamingo because zoro cut stone yea your the troll bro and I'm just being honest smh
Lmfao riker stop making yourself look like a clown, you didn't even reply to my post (clearly cause you had nothing to say), stop filling this thread with hypocrisy please.
@Vandereich
The sooner you bring up something relevant to the topic the better.
"Waahh stop hyping zoro" arguments aren't cutting it. That's all you are doing which has nothing to do with this thread.
I already broke your post down. You made stuff up, and you brought up top tiers. To do what exactly? To say Zoro isn't that strong? Cry me a river. Leave that stuff out of here, your input was not needed.
@Love Cook
I saw G4 posted and I stopped reading your post. You clearly aren't paying attention here. If you can't be bothered to properly follow what's being said, then I can't be bothered to read aswell.
Here you go again.....Where is this made up stuff that you are so confident about? Majority of the stuff I said came from the manga. Now if you would just read the chapters I mentioned instead of assuming....
You must not be familiar with a word called "example." You were using the DC feat of Zoro cutting the golem to say he was better than Luffy and can break Cracker's biscuit armor. I brought up people who can replicate feats of similar nature(some who don't even have to try like Mihawk, who was using such little strength that even Pre-TS Luffy could dodge his swings and his sword feat at such low strength is comparable to Zoro's). Mihawk ain't breaking Cracker's armor with a slash that slow & weak.
Its completely relevant. All of the people I mentioned don't have feats replicated by G4 and it took MULTIPLE G4 attacks to shatter the armor. Those EXAMPLES(do you compute?) were to show you that Zoro doesn't have any DC feats comparable to G4 but of course its irrelevant because "LMAO" counters the universe.
How else do you want him to prove Pica is bigger than Wadatsumi? By just randomly throwing out guesses like you guys? Make up your mind.
Even if you don't want to take it as an exact measurement the point is Pica is massively larger than Wadatsumi.
Zoro's feat was calced at higher than anything Luffy managed in G2/G3 let alone Sanji, he lifted an island sized adversary, you know how much force is required to do that?
Let's not go off topic now.
Zoro has the means to break Crackers biscuit armour because he generates much more force than Sanji (and even g2/g3 Luffy in any single attack), and it's not even close. Comparing Hell's memories to Daisen Sekai is the biggest joke I've heard in a while.
The only attacks that are higher end than ISDS are G4 attacks, that's it. We don't know if Kong Gun is the minimum, as there is a massive gap between Luffy's G3 attacks and G4. Zoro's offense > G3 Luffy. Point blank and period.
Here you go again.....Where is this made up stuff that you are so confident about? Majority of the stuff I said came from the manga. Now if you would just read the chapters I mentioned instead of assuming....
You must not be familiar with a word called "example." You were using the DC feat of Zoro cutting the golem to say he was better than Luffy and can break Cracker's biscuit armor. I brought up people who can replicate feats of similar nature(some who don't even have to try like Mihawk, who was using such little strength that even Pre-TS Luffy could dodge his swings and his sword feat at such low strength is comparable to Zoro's). Mihawk ain't breaking Cracker's armor with a slash that slow & weak.
Its completely relevant. All of the people I mentioned don't have feats replicated by G4 and it took MULTIPLE G4 attacks to shatter the armor. Those EXAMPLES(do you compute?) were to show you that Zoro doesn't have any DC feats comparable to G4 but of course its irrelevant because "LMAO" counters the universe.
How else do you want him to prove Pica is bigger than Wadatsumi? By just randomly throwing out guesses like you guys? Make up your mind.
Even if you don't want to take it as an exact measurement the point is Pica is massively larger than Wadatsumi.
Zoro's feat was calced at higher than anything Luffy managed in G2/G3 let alone Sanji, he lifted an island sized adversary, you know how much force is required to do that?
Let's not go off topic now.
Zoro has the means to break Crackers biscuit armour because he generates much more force than Sanji (and even g2/g3 Luffy in any single attack), and it's not even close. Comparing Hell's memories to Daisen Sekai is the biggest joke I've heard in a while.
The only attacks that are higher end than ISDS are G4 attacks, that's it. We don't know if Kong Gun is the minimum, as there is a massive gap between Luffy's G3 attacks and G4. Zoro's offense > G3 Luffy. Point blank and period.
Here you go again.....Where is this made up stuff that you are so confident about? Majority of the stuff I said came from the manga. Now if you would just read the chapters I mentioned instead of assuming....
You made up Sanji sending Wadatsumi flying with a kick, and you made up Luffy smashing the golemn head. Completely false statements, neither of these happened in the manga. Sanji only lit Wadatsumi up. Luffy only severed Pica's head from his neck, his attack did not smash Pica's head.
It's sad that you touch up on the feats you want to make look better than they are, and lowball the ones you don't like as much as possible. Really slimy way of arguing.
Then you contradict yourself. A point blank G4 punch couldn't even fracture a biscuit armor. It could block a G4 Gatling without budging and it took a higher end G4 attack to finally break it. Yet you say Zoro has the means of destroying a biscuit armor because of his DC which says Zoro's DC is comparable to Luffy's G4. You used Zoro cutting Pica to explain yourself.
I'm convinced you guys can't read. None of you here. Lmfao I just read through this page again and I'm baffled how bad peoples reading comprehension can be.
You dumbasses are out here arguing G4 vs Zoro lmfaoo.
Just because you said one thing doesn't mean you didn't say another.
I was reacting to the part where you said Luffy doesn't have similar destructive feats. So it has nothing to do with my reading capabilities but more with you hopping from one topic to the next because you keep painting yourself in a corner.
Also the Zoro hate arguments is like pulling the racism card when it doesn't apply. It's pulling the handbrake and hoping you can win the argument by spinning it out of context.
If it wasn't for you and Bogard make ludicrous statements I wouldn't even have posted here. I also repeatably said that Pica was bigger, and Zoro's feat was more impressive over Sanji's. Then you guys come in with the most crazy numbers and go full tilt when I call you out that it is impossible for Pica to be 7 times the Burj al Arab or how Luffy's destructive feat are greater.
This is why its better to actually know what you are quoting before you decide to share your input.
Now if only you didn't get your panties in a bunch because of Zoro, you might have not looked clueless. That goes for the rest of you too.
You made up Sanji sending Wadatsumi flying with a kick, and you made up Luffy smashing the golemn head. Completely false statements, neither of these happened in the manga. Sanji only lit Wadatsumi up. Luffy only severed Pica's head from his neck, his attack did not smash Pica's head.
It's sad that you touch up on the feats you want to make look better than they are, and lowball the ones you don't like as much as possible. Really slimy way of arguing.
Smashing the golem's head.....knocking the golem's head off....I don't see much of a difference in this situation. He removed the head and I wasn't wrong. Can't believed you clinged to that to say I made stuff up....
So Sanji never sent Watadsumi body flying downwards with Hell memories? Ok gotcha. Who making stuff up now?
Slimy way of arguing? I don't laugh & insult people to make myself look right like you do.
Then you contradict yourself. A point blank G4 punch couldn't even fracture a biscuit armor. It could block a G4 Gatling without budging and it took a higher end G4 attack to finally break it. Yet you say Zoro has the means of destroying a biscuit armor because of his DC which says Zoro's DC is comparable to Luffy's G4. You used Zoro cutting Pica to explain yourself.
First of all stop with the false feats. G4 broke through Crackers shield in 1 hit. The second hit was for breaking through Cracker. It's really annoying how you make points but try to slip in false information, passing it off as the norm.
Now, if Kong Gun broke through Crackers shield in one hit, does that mean Kong Gun is the minimum for breaking through Crackers armor? No, all this means is G3 Luffy was not enough, no single G3 hit could do anything to the armour but Kong Gun broke through easily, in 1 hit.
There is a massive gap between G3 and G4. What I've been saying is Zoro's ISDS is > any single gear 3 attack. Saying Zoro has no shot at breaking Crackers armour is blatant ignorance. And just comes off as petty hate especially since the attack doesn't have to break it in one shot.
It doesn't help how you are completely assuming things like " Mihawk ain't breaking Cracker's armor with a slash that slow & weak." Like you have thoroughly convinced yourself this as a manga fact. Who even argues like this?
For the most part the most destructive attacks are stronger yes. Funny thing is ISDS doesn't aim for a massive AOE, it just comes with it cause the slash is that powerful.
Btw having the strongest attack does not make you the strongest, we're talking about penetrative force right now.
Kaku probably had the strongest/best penetrative force in the CP9. So if presented with something like Crackers armour, I would bank on Kaku > Lucci to break through it.
First of all stop with the false feats. G4 broke through Crackers shield in 1 hit. The second hit was for breaking through Cracker. It's really annoying how you make points but try to slip in false information, passing it off as the norm.
Now, if Kong Gun broke through Crackers shield in one hit, does that mean Kong Gun is the minimum for breaking through Crackers armor? No, all this means is G3 Luffy was not enough, no single G3 hit could do anything to the armour but Kong Gun broke through easily, in 1 hit.
There is a massive gap between G3 and G4. What I've been saying is Zoro's ISDS is > any single gear 3 attack. Saying Zoro has no shot at breaking Crackers armour is blatant ignorance. And just comes off as petty hate especially since the attack doesn't have to break it in one shot.
It doesn't help how you are completely assuming things like " Mihawk ain't breaking Cracker's armor with a slash that slow & weak." Like you have thoroughly convinced yourself this as a manga fact. Who even argues like this?
For the most part the most destructive attacks are stronger yes. Funny thing is ISDS doesn't aim for a massive AOE, it just comes with it cause the slash is that powerful.
Smashing the golem's head.....knocking the golem's head off....I don't see much of a difference in this situation. He removed the head and I wasn't wrong. Can't believed you clinged to that to say I made stuff up....
That is a huge difference. An attack that would actually break his head into pieces would be a much greater feat than simply lopping off his head. Luffy didn't manage to do anything other than dismember his head from his neck.
So Sanji never sent Watadsumi body flying downwards with Hell memories? Ok gotcha. Who making stuff up now?
No my friend, gravity tends to do that. Again use the right wording, stop sneaking in the wrong words to make the feat look better. "-Sanji sent Watadsumi flying with one kick" Flying makes it seem like he sent up up in the air (which is what Jimbei did).
Just because you said one thing doesn't mean you didn't say another.
I was reacting to the part where you said Luffy doesn't have similar destructive feats. So it has nothing to do with my reading capabilities but more with you hopping from one topic to the next because you keep painting yourself in a corner.
Also the Zoro hate arguments is like pulling the racism card when it doesn't apply. It's pulling the handbrake and hoping you can win the argument by spinning it out of context.
If it wasn't for you and Bogard make ludicrous statements I wouldn't even have posted here. I also repeatably said that Pica was bigger, and Zoro's feat was more impressive over Sanji's. Then you guys come in with the most crazy numbers and go full tilt when I call you out that it is impossible for Pica to be 7 times the Burj al Arab or how Luffy's destructive feat are greater.
Listen I don't need to keep reinstating my argument (maybe I do with the way you guys can't follow one), if you can't follow an argument that's on you.
That is a huge difference. An attack that would actually break his head into pieces would be a much greater feat than simply lopping off his head. Luffy didn't manage to do anything other than dismember his head from his neck.
No my friend, gravity tends to do that. Again use the right wording, stop sneaking in the wrong words to make the feat look better. "-Sanji sent Watadsumi flying with one kick" Flying makes it seem like he sent up up in the air (which is what Jimbei did).
First of all stop with the false feats. G4 broke through Crackers shield in 1 hit. The second hit was for breaking through Cracker. It's really annoying how you make points but try to slip in false information, passing it off as the norm.
Now, if Kong Gun broke through Crackers shield in one hit, does that mean Kong Gun is the minimum for breaking through Crackers armor? No, all this means is G3 Luffy was not enough, no single G3 hit could do anything to the armour but Kong Gun broke through easily, in 1 hit.
There is a massive gap between G3 and G4. What I've been saying is Zoro's ISDS is > any single gear 3 attack. Saying Zoro has no shot at breaking Crackers armour is blatant ignorance. And just comes off as petty hate especially since the attack doesn't have to break it in one shot.
It doesn't help how you are completely assuming things like " Mihawk ain't breaking Cracker's armor with a slash that slow & weak." Like you have thoroughly convinced yourself this as a manga fact. Who even argues like this?
For the most part the most destructive attacks are stronger yes. Funny thing is ISDS doesn't aim for a massive AOE, it just comes with it cause the slash is that powerful.
G4 Luffy punches with G4 rifle Cracker who wasn't blocking: doesn't even chip it.
G4 Luffy uses Kong Gun, his 2nd strongest attack so far to break the armor
G4 Luffy uses gatling but the biscuit soldiers could block it individually
Yet Zoro has DC feats so great that its comparable to Luffy's 2nd strongest move that even Doflamingo couldn't completely block. Go ahead...say this is made up too....
Mihawk's attack is slow enough for Pre-TS BASE Luffy to dodge & weak enough that Luffy didn't get cut that bad yet it was still comparable to Zoro's Danzen Sekai as it cut an iceburg from distance. The power and advantage of slash attacks. I'm sure those moves were weak by current standards unless you want to say Mihawk can actually kill Zoro using THAT little strength?
1 hit = shield armour broken (each hit broke the armour same as before.
Yet Zoro has DC feats so great that its comparable to Luffy's 2nd strongest move that even Doflamingo couldn't completely block. Go ahead...say this is made up too....
So let me get this straight. 1 G4 hit breaks the shield and that means G4 was struggling to break it? Wow..
Mihawk's attack is slow enough for Pre-TS BASE Luffy to dodge & weak enough that Luffy didn't get cut that bad yet it was still comparable to Zoro's Danzen Sekai as it cut an iceburg from distance. The power and advantage of slash attacks. I'm sure those moves were weak by current standards unless you want to say Mihawk can actually kill Zoro using THAT little strength?
Why do you insist on bringing up irrelevant details. What does the speed have to do with the strength of the attack? Why are you assuming Cracker can take that attack without his armour breaking because its slow? I can't even begin to understand how you process information.
1 hit = shield armour broken
1 hit = shield armour broken (each hit broke the armour same as before.
So let me get this straight. 1 G4 hit breaks the shield and that means G4 was struggling to break it? Wow..
Why do you insist on bringing up irrelevant details. What does the speed have to do with the strength of the attack? Why are you assuming Cracker can take that attack without his armour breaking because its slow? I can't even begin to understand how you process information.
So a biscuit armor didn't withstand two of Luffy's named attacks without budging or chipping? Luffy having to use his 2nd best move to break an armor?
The soldier's shields were chipping away and they were still able to march toward despite Luffy's ongoing assault. Cracker said "Advance!" and they did. Don't claim this to be an assumption like you do everything else.
1. You insult people's reading comprehension yet you don't realize the things you type yourself.
2. Throws everyone's arguments to the side & laughs
3. Assume everyone against you is a fanboy despite some of them liking Zoro more than Sanji or Luffy.
4. Never bothers to understand a post and instead resorts to insults
5. Brings up mathematical equations yet call others fanboys
6. Says Zoro can break a biscuit when it can withstand attacks from G4, directly & obviously implying that Zoro is up there with G4's Kong Gun in strength.
7. Says G4 is on another level than Zoro's attacks which brings up an obvious contradiction but insults everyone who obviously disagrees or talks about G4 Luffy in comparison to Zoro & claims people can't read.
8. Brings up mathematical equations yet call others fanboys
Sanji clearly send wadasumi flying he's on fire and they are a distance away from each other then he eventually falls this guy is constantly down playing sanji's feat and over hyping zoro's as if they aren't basically doing the same thing defeating giant enemies
Sanji clearly send wadasumi flying he's on fire and they are a distance away from each other then he eventually falls this guy is constantly down playing sanji's feat and over hyping zoro's as if they aren't basically doing the same thing defeating giant enemies
Is wadasumi a pica level opponent answer that. All of you are going on just how big the opponent is. Zoro is constantly getting better portrayal by not losing in a terrible manner. He can atleast push an admiral ambushing him where as sanji gets caught by Doffy in lowest of possible difficulties. I don't get all the butthurt.
So a biscuit armor didn't withstand two of Luffy's named attacks without budging or chipping? Luffy having to use his 2nd best move to break an armor?
The soldier's shields were chipping away and they were still able to march toward despite Luffy's ongoing assault. Cracker said "Advance!" and they did. Don't claim this to be an assumption like you do everything else.
Stop with this cringe worthy whining. I never assumed anyone is a fanboy. I said Zoro hate, like you are bothered by the character so you come at me with off topic stuff.
4. Never bothers to understand a post and instead resorts to insults
Not to mention you want people to just guess instead of using logic? Stop posting nonsense.
6. Says Zoro can break a biscuit when it can withstand attacks from G4, directly & obviously implying that Zoro is up there with G4's Kong Gun in strength.
Except it can't withstand anything from Luffy's G4. Kong Gun broke everything it touched.
Btw can you post the panel of what you said in your last post? Something about Cracker not being chipped after a G4 attack? Sounds like another one of your made up lies to back your argument.
7. Says G4 is on another level than Zoro's attacks which brings up an obvious contradiction but insults everyone who obviously disagrees or talks about G4 Luffy in comparison to Zoro & claims people can't read.
Yes because if you knew how to read youd know what I'm saying is G4 attacks >> Zoro attacks >>> G3 Luffy attacks.
If G3 Luffy attacks failed to put a scratch on Cracker, the same does not apply to stronger attacks. Common sense and logic, sometimes use it instead of being a linear tunnel vision poster.
8. Brings up mathematical equations yet call others fanboys
Sometimes I wonder why people like to jump into arguments if they aren't going to provide anything of worth. You really had to let it out though I understand.
Sanji clearly send wadasumi flying he's on fire and they are a distance away from each other then he eventually falls this guy is constantly down playing sanji's feat and over hyping zoro's as if they aren't basically doing the same thing defeating giant enemies
Is wadasumi a pica level opponent answer that. All of you are going on just how big the opponent is. Zoro is constantly getting better portrayal by not losing in a terrible manner. He can atleast push an admiral ambushing him where as sanji gets caught by Doffy in lowest of possible difficulties. I don't get all the butthurt.
Lmao are you serious so pica was strong he was pure fodder just like wadasumi all he had was a devil fruit that made him big all he did was run the entire fight and when has zoro ever pushed an admiral zoro never even clashed with an admiral I hope your not talking about when fugitora buried him down low and he through one attack that was blocked how is that pushing an admiral. Sabo actually clashed with an admiral and held his own zoro has never clashed with an admiral and doflamingo would've done the same thing to zoro especially when he did it to luffy and the only way luffy broke free is only because he used gear 4 which zoro doesn't have so he would've been in the same situation as sanji even jozu was stopped by doflamingo unless you believe zoro can beat doflamingo one on one which we both no he can't not yet at least.
