He did because he initially decided to shoot light at him and it was ineffective. Any haki type character would have pinned him down and pummeled him. But kizaru relied on his df and soon as that wasn't working he went to sea stone with the help of a VA.
[Discussion] Why do people believe Garp had the ability to Kill Akainu?
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That's because Marco was on-guard against Kizaru. You still can't compare that to Garp attacking him with a cheap shot.
On guard? the man just ran without caution leaving his back open, he got hit by a very basic attack and then decided to heal up with his df, that's not on guard. With Garp he was full Phoenix mode so he can avoid any injuries and he gets swat down. if Garp had the same opportunity he would've manhandled him.
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I'm talking about before that, when he and Kizaru were keeping each other at bay, before Marco got distracted. Even while in the Phoenix form, Marco's defenses aren't automatic. He still has a physical body, and the flames that heal him are a technique he has to activate, so yeah, Garp striking him was with his defenses down
Yea before he got distracted when he was on guard why are u stating the obvious. The point is when he's distracted kizaru couldn't do anything by himself and relied on Seastone. If Garp had the same situation if he was fighting Marco, marco would be pinned down. The point is kizaru is df reliant which doesn't mean he's weak but his haki is not on the level as some other top tiers.
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I'm saying you can't compare the two situations because Garp only got a hit in on Marco when Marco wasn't on-guard towards him.
This isn't true at all. Kizaru's laser when it hit Marco did way more damage than Garp's punch. Kizaru didn't need to rely on Seastone whatsoever because he was capable of doing plenty damage to Marco without it. Another Marine chose to put the cuffs on Marco of his own volition, Kizaru never needed it.
You keep saying "Garp hit him with Haki and he was down hurr durr," but that's blatantly false. Garp punched Marco, and all it did was cause a small bruise. Bruises have been shown to be bullshit indicators of damage in the manga, so that means nothing, and the punch didn't stop Marco from fighting in the war further. It didn't defeat or impede Marco at all, so that's just double for the punch meaning pretty much nothing. You're acting as if Garp punched Marco and he passed out or some shit.
Yeah, nothing says this at all.
So turning your back on someone while they hit you with weaker attacks and getting caught by a VA is being on guard now, dude stop being more of joke than you already are these arguments are ridiculous . In both cases he was not on guard. No one doubts a minor punch is Garps best attack it was more of him saying get out of here to Marco and if u believe a man that can rival roger is that weak then you are beyond reasoning. The whole point is kizaru went the df route which was useless considering Marcos powers, Garp on the other hand would have gone with a strong haki based attack or pinned him down.
Kizaru timed it with saying I went easy on you and marine with handcuffs came in and kizaru then attacked him yea kizaru didn't mean that to happen. Dude the reach is incredible any top tier character should have been able to deal a ton of damage in that scenario but kizaru used help to do so.
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Are you slow? I said, multiple times at this point, that Marco was on-guard BEFORE HE GOT DISTRACTED. I never said that, when Kizaru shot him in the back, that he was on guard. Christ.
No it wasn't lmfao.
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The attack was clearly shown injuring Marco here and the injury was still present when the cuffs were placed on him later.
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Nothing but speculation.
That statement is pointless you might as well say he was on guard before he wasn't on guard you see how stupid that sounds when you say it out loud. Don't be redundant
It wasn't useful because it wasn't a major hit Marco was easily going to heal from that attack. You know what's a good attack when you're not on guard look at what Kuzan and akainu did, but Marco could tank a lot of attacks even if its a barrage due to his df. So for a guy like that haki based attacks are the best route. But kizaru seemed to be more df reliant
All of this is speculation it's a vs thread, we kno Garp can easily bypass his Phoenix form with haki so he can't pin him down or hit him with a strong haki attack.
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The point of that was to say that Kizaru being unable to put down Marco while he was on guard doesn't prove his Haki is inferior to Garp's, since Garp's blow didn't happen while Marco was on-guard.
This...doesn't prove that Garp has better Haki though...That's what I'm asking for, undisputed evidence that shows Garp's Haki is stronger.
so there you go again saying Marco was on guard. He wasn't I'm specifically talking about when he had his back to him he wasn't on guard hell he wasn't even in full Phoenix mode. He is impervious to any non haki attacks in that mode and that's what he was when Garp slapped him down. He went with his defenses up when he was trying to save ace but Garp got him with haki.
It shows he relies on his df more than haki, Marco at the beginning took a barrage of his light attacks(forgot the name) and had no injuries from it why would you go for the same sort of attack if haki is much more efficient. Same case with BB he probably has haki but is more df reliant but he's even more so df reliant the comparison is similar enough. Oda isnt going to come out and list every character's haki strength lol
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No, he isn't. Oda himself clarified that Marco has a physical body at all times, and it gets damaged just like any other physical body. He can then summon flames that heal whatever wounds he gets. That's how Marco's powers work, regardless of what form he's in. Non-Haki attacks can still hurt him, and he can still heal from attacks dealt via Haki.
Haki has never been stated to be more efficient though. Marco was injured by Kizaru's light attack, he just healed the injuries.
He didn't get pushed back from kizarus barrage of attacks and came out with no injuries. With haki it bypasses it for a moment and he went to the ground. Kizarus yaska is likely more powerful than a simple haki hit from Garp but one was clearly more efficient. Haki and physical attacks like punches etc work better on Marco but kizaru didn't employ them after knowing his abilities and resorted to the same kind of attack he normally goes for.
Damage that he can easily heal from anyone with a sense would kno haki is better to deal with Marco than just projectile attacks. He seems to be df reliant put Garp in that same situation where Marco just gives up on the fight. Garp would've went for a more haki based attack which is much more effective. And if Z is cannon we get even more proof for that being the case. Idk if Z is though.
Marco can take a barrage in his Phoenix form and come out with zero damage so it's smart to go with haki imbued attacks or physical attacks but kizaru has been shown to not have that in his Arsenal. And let's not ignore that Marco was in Phoenix form when Garp hit him and he still had a bruise.
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So?
Dude, Kizaru's attacks created injuries and wounds too. They just regenerated. And Garp sending Marco to the ground only happened because Marco wasn't on-guard to properly defend against the attack. If he was on-guard, he more than likely could have blocked it and prevented himself from being sent flying. The Haki didn't bypass shit, ANY attack that hits Marco will create an injury that he can then heal. That's how his fruit works, he isn't a Logia where the attacks pass through him without injury.
Once again, you can't compare these two situations. Marco was full on guard and blocked that attack, while Garp's punch came from a blindside and knocked Marco off of his path of flight. The situations aren't comparable because one is a straight fight while one was Marco being jumped.
No they don't, you just don't understand how Marco's powers work. Like I said before, EVERY attack still works on him the same way they would on any physical body, he can just heal the wound and the damage. A punch, an arrow, a laser, an explosion, all injures him the exact same way, and all get healed the exact same way, Haki or not.
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are you really this slow? his attacks have no effect on marco in pheonix form look at what his projectiles are doing its having no effect on marco. So kizaru knowing marco df's ability still used the same attack. and marco wasnt on guard when he was running away for the millionth time.
And then lets look at garps situation
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unless marco is blind he knew who was right next to ace he went with his pheonix form which can tank almost any attack and his pheonix from was shot down.
and with kizaru he was even worse he had no defenses up, but its not hard for him to start his phenoix form which he was about to as you see the bottom of his feet
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if kizaru was smart or wanted to get major damage like aokiji and akainu did with their opponents then he would have tried for a more haki based attack but he doesnt have much on that end is more df reliant
and if you believe projectile attacks or non haki atatcks are as effective as haki attacks well i would suggest you reread the manga but you seem like you kno it well but just have basic comprehension issues.
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Wew ****ing lad.
In the actual translation, it's stated that Marco's flames keep regenerating no matter the attack:
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"Regenerating" indicates that he's being injured, the injury is just healing. The attacks are damaging his body, the damage is just healed and nullified by the flames.
This is further confirmed by Oda in the SBS
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Oda confirms here that Marco's body is physical, meaning that attacks don't just pass through him like they would something like a Logia. Those holes you see on Marco's body from Kizaru's lasers are wounds. The lasers are tearing into Marco's body the same way they would tear into flesh. Those are injuries. Marco simply has his Blue Flames of Revival technique active so the injuries are healed just as quickly as they form, nullifying the damage. That doesn't mean he doesn't still take the damage and is hurt, it simply means the damage he got from Kizaru's laser attacks were reversed as the healing powers of his fruit took place.
Garp's attack only knocked down Marco because Marco wasn't on-guard for it, not because it was stronger or more effective than Kizaru's attack. Garp's attack injured Marco because Marco wasn't using the Blue Flames of Revival technique like he was when he first took Kizaru's barrage of light beams.
Notice how when Kizaru shot Marco with his back turned, they created bloody wounds because he wasn't actively using his technique. Marco's regeneration isn't passive, it doesn't happen automatically, it's a technique he has to activate.
my man everybody knows hes not a logia, but the point is all non haki attacks are brushed off easily, when hes in his pheonix form he can tank almost all damage. Haki is more effective he was in his pheonix form which he used due to the fact that he was expecting others to attack him while he was in air, he couldve went with a partial pheonix form but he didnt he went that mode completely. and second he knows whos there kizaru's situation is more of a situation where hes completely off guard.
Haki is obviously better to deal with ppl with DF abilities this doesnt have to explained the fact that you think non haki projectiles to be better than a haki based attack is laughable. just repeating the same bs wont help you, marco was in the same mode in both situations and one attack is clearly more effective.
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That's not the case at all/never been indicated in the manga. Non-Haki attacks and Haki attacks will get the same treatment if they hit him: They'll damage him, and the Blue Flames of Revival technique if active will immediately nullify the damage.
Haki or no-Haki, if you blindside Marco and strike him while the Blue Flames of Revival technique isn't active, the damage lasts and can then be healed once he activates the technique, which is what happened with Garp's punch and Kizaru's laser when Kizaru shot him in the back.
That's not how it works. He only tanks damage when the Blue Flames of Revival technique is active, not at all times constantly when in his full transformation.