[Discussion] Why do people believe Garp had the ability to Kill Akainu?

[Punk Hazard]

And then Coby stood right in front of Akainu. The stupidity is fantasizing or speculating that Garp would not be able to put down Akainu.
So no, you don't hear what is written, you read it. And what I read was and is completely stupid.

There is zero evidence that Garp would defeat Akainu fam. There is nothing that says "Garp defeats Akainu 10/10 times." At all.

Coby standing in front of Akainu means absolutely ****ing nothing since he was about to be killed had Shanks not saved him.

Your statement that Sengoku wouldn't have stopped Garp if Garp lacked the ability to kill Akainu makes no sense because if Garp lacked the ability to kill Akainu, Sengoku would need to stop him from getting himself killed.

The scan of Sengoku stopping Garp doesn't prove anything.

 

[Bogard]

1. Akainu would have gotten his ass kicked by Roger
2. Garp wasn't Whitebeard or Roger level. The manga made clear countless times that Roger only had one equal and that was Whitebeard. Someone who struggle with Shiki even at 2(with Sengoku) or Chinjao can't be Roger/Whitebeard level
3. Even if he was, it doesn't matter here. His entire hype comes from his prime, not his old marineford self that never even got any hype worth mentioning

So based on that, nothing clearly shows he could have beaten Akainu.

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. Akainu would have gotten his ass kicked by Roger

EVIDENCE?

2. Garp wasn't Whitebeard or Roger level.

How do you almost kill someone countless times while being a lower level than them? How sway?

 

[Bogard]

EVIDENCE?



How do you almost kill someone countless times while being a lower level than them? How sway?

1. Pirate King >>>>>> Admiral
2. Because wrong translation:

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His portrayal doesn't even come close to Roger's and Whitebeard's

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. Pirate King >>>>>> Admiral

Wew lad says who and where? Don't forget Oda said Akainu could become Pirate King in two years himself.

2. Because wrong translation:

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His portrayal doesn't even come close to Roger's and Whitebeard's

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There's no way Garp could have cornered Roger while being a level below him, much less done it countless times.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Wew lad says who and where? Don't forget Oda said Akainu could become Pirate King in two years himself.

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There's no way Garp could have cornered Roger while being a level below him, much less done it countless times.

Smoker cornered Luffy plenty of times, but current Luffy is much stronger than current Smoker.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Smoker cornered Luffy plenty of times, but current Luffy is much stronger than current Smoker.

Except Garp was stated to have done it during Roger's Era. The fact that they included "During Roger's era" indicates he was already top dog at the time.

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't know about levels, that depends how you rank a level. But Garp was never Roger's equal. Only 1 person could fight Roger to a stalemate or beat him and that's WB. Everyone else falls in line. To me Garp and Rayleigh are interchangeable.

Garp could not beat Akainu in MF. People keep bringing Akainu being injured but he didn't have so much as a scratch on him when Garp was about to fight him, this was before WB came up on Akainu. It all would come down to who can last longer in the brawl, and it certainly would not be Garp. If you're talking offensive power it doesn't get stronger than Akainu's magma fists, if you're talking defense, well Akainu has an extra logia armour, can phase through some attacks, while Garp has to rely solely on his haki, and the older you get your haki gets affected more and more.

It's not like Garp had a DF like WB to fall back on, at his old age, he would have to rely more on his base stats.

 

[arv993]

Smoker cornered Luffy plenty of times, but current Luffy is much stronger than current Smoker.

Terrible logic garp cornered him in his prime where as luffy was in the beginning of his pirating at the time smoker was giving him issues.

I don't know about levels, that depends how you rank a level. But Garp was never Roger's equal. Only 1 person could fight Roger to a stalemate or beat him and that's WB. Everyone else falls in line. To me Garp and Rayleigh are interchangeable.

Garp could not beat Akainu in MF. People keep bringing Akainu being injured but he didn't have so much as a scratch on him when Garp was about to fight him, this was before WB came up on Akainu. It all would come down to who can last longer in the brawl, and it certainly would not be Garp. If you're talking offensive power it doesn't get stronger than Akainu's magma fists, if you're talking defense, well Akainu has an extra logia armour, can phase through some attacks, while Garp has to rely solely on his haki, and the older you get your haki gets affected more and more.

It's not like Garp had a DF like WB to fall back on, at his old age, he would have to rely more on his base stats.

Except ur ignoring the whole speech where Roger admits that he has been cornered by garp etc. ur willing to take buggys words over the man Roger himself. Not to mention no marine has been given the hype garp has. And we kno that wb was ill so it's not crazy to think old garp has an edge on old wb.

 

[ToshiZO]

Terrible logic garp cornered him in his prime where as luffy was in the beginning of his pirating at the time smoker was giving him issues.



Except ur ignoring the whole speech where Roger admits that he has been cornered by garp etc. ur willing to take buggys words over the man Roger himself. Not to mention no marine has been given the hype garp has. And we kno that wb was ill so it's not crazy to think old garp has an edge on old wb.

Roger never said that. Go read Bogard's post for what he actually said.

And I'd take Buggy's words over Rogers anyways considering what Roger said even in the wrong translation is extremely vague, compared to Buggy's quote.

 

[Kingu]

I don't know, mmmmaybe because the whole thing was being broadcasted around the world and everyone was about to witness a well-known & loved high ranked officer commit treason.

but an old man about to kill Akainu makes more sense.

 

[arv993]

Roger never said that. Go read Bogard's post for what he actually said.

And I'd take Buggy's words over Rogers anyways considering what Roger said even in the wrong translation is extremely vague, compared to Buggy's quote.

There's other instances where the same thing Roger mentioned in his discussion come up like riker showed in his scan. It seems like it's common knowledge that the hero of the marines and the pirate King cornered each other like that scan made it seem.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There's other instances where the same thing Roger mentioned in his discussion come up like riker showed in his scan. It's common knowledge that the hero of the marines and the pirate King cornered each other. And his haki being shown superior to the admirals only helps his case.

Garp's Haki was never portrayed as directly superior to Admirals

 

[-Akuma-]

If it's this obvious, I'm sure you'll have no problem showing irrefutable evidence that Akainu couldn't contend with Roger.

Akainu could only contend with a old WB if he caught a heart attack, Akainu isn't even on a healthy OLD WB's level let alone Roger who is equal to Prime WB.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Akainu could only contend with a old WB if he caught a heart attack, Akainu isn't even on a healthy OLD WB's level let alone Roger who is equal to Prime WB.

Untrue, since he was contending evenly with Whitebeard before the heart attack. The heart attack just gave him an advantage, but before it, neither man had an advantage. That means he was indeed on his level.

 

[LBeezy]

Untrue, since he was contending evenly with Whitebeard before the heart attack. The heart attack just gave him an advantage, but before it, neither man had an advantage. That means he was indeed on his level.

So before the heart attack neither man had an advantage?

So you're saying at that point it was any man's win? 50/50? Even?


But then wouldn't Whitebeard have the advantage since at the time he was holding the title for World's strongest man? And Akainu is a man right?

I mean, afterall, this is how you argue Mihawk against any other character who uses a sword.. so the title would have to automatically put him above Akainu, since Akainu is in fact a man.. unless.... are you saying Akainu isn't a man? ....... or.. are you now finally saying that titles don't actually guarantee any character a win over another character..?

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[Punk Hazard]

So before the heart attack neither man had an advantage?

So you're saying at that point it was any man's win? 50/50? Even?


But then wouldn't Whitebeard have the advantage since at the time he was holding the title for World's strongest man? And Akainu is a man right?

I mean, afterall, this is how you argue Mihawk against any other character who uses a sword.. so the title would have to automatically put him above Akainu, since Akainu is in fact a man.. unless.... are you saying Akainu isn't a man? ....... or.. are you now finally saying that titles don't actually guarantee any character a win over another character..?

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Except Whitebeard renounced his title as World's Strongest Man. You tried though.

 

[loj]

Garp is a God

 

[arv993]

Garp's Haki was never portrayed as directly superior to Admirals

Yea it was even in marine ford admirals had a tough time getting Marco down especially kizaru. When u have to rely on seas tone and not haki when ur opponent is basically giving up the battle that's when you kno you rely too much on your df.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yea it was even in marine ford admirals had a tough time getting Marco down epically kizaru. When u have to rely on seas tone and not haki when ur opponent is basically giving up the battle that's when you kno you rely too much on your df.

Who said Kizaru was relying on Seastone? Because another Marine independently decided to attack him with Seastone, Kizaru needed it? C'mon son.