[Discussion] Why do people believe Garp had the ability to Kill Akainu?

[arv993]

That's not the case at all/never been indicated in the manga. Non-Haki attacks and Haki attacks will get the same treatment if they hit him: They'll damage him, and the Blue Flames of Revival technique if active will immediately nullify the damage.

Haki or no-Haki, if you blindside Marco and strike him while the Blue Flames of Revival technique isn't active, the damage lasts and can then be healed once he activates the technique, which is what happened with Garp's punch and Kizaru's laser when Kizaru shot him in the back.


That's not how it works. He only tanks damage when the Blue Flames of Revival technique is active, not at all times constantly when in his full transformation.

he is using that technique expecting ppl to attack him, he couldve went partial but he went the whole way. Second projectiles and non haki attacks are less effective than physical haki attacks, kizaru used yasaka and it didnt move him an inch but with the same form he gets thrown down by garp. whole point is knowing that kizaru couldve used better haki based attacks yet he goes with same old method of fighting which is way less effective.

Look at oda's words fire is for revival in that form he had flames coming out which heals any damge he is going to incur which is what he did with kizaru attacks. but physical haki attacks are not as easy to recover from and he can be stopped in his tracks unlike just shooting lasers at him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

he is using that technique expecting ppl to attack him, he couldve went partial but he went the whole way. Second projectiles and non haki attacks are less effective than physical haki attacks, kizaru used yasaka and it didnt move him an inch but with the same form he gets thrown down by garp. whole point is knowing that kizaru couldve used better haki based attacks yet he goes with same old method of fighting which is way less effective.

There is no evidence whatsoever that he was using it while flying towards the execution platform. Just because he's in the full Phoenix form doesn't mean the technique is active, that's just something you made up just now.

@Bold: Says who? A projectile, non-Haki attack did more damage to Marco when it caught him by surprise than a physical Haki attack that caught him by surprise, so that immediately throws that claim of yours out the window.

You keep comparing Marco being on-guard to an incoming attack to Marco being caught by surprise and saying that means one is more effective against his defenses, which is flawed logic at its finest. When you compare the two attacks when both of them catch Marco by surprise, the non-Haki projectile did more damage.

 

[ToshiZO]

*****'s arguing Marco so much he turned into Marco lmfaoo

 

[arv993]

There is no evidence whatsoever that he was using it while flying towards the execution platform. Just because he's in the full Phoenix form doesn't mean the technique is active, that's just something you made up just now.

@Bold: Says who? A projectile, non-Haki attack did more damage to Marco when it caught him by surprise than a physical Haki attack that caught him by surprise, so that immediately throws that claim of yours out the window.

You keep comparing Marco being on-guard to an incoming attack to Marco being caught by surprise and saying that means one is more effective against his defenses, which is flawed logic at its finest. When you compare the two attacks when both of them catch Marco by surprise, the non-Haki projectile did more damage.

He had his defenses up that is not nearly as being off guard as giving up a fight where he didnt even activate his DF, this is not even arguable.

Anytime he has blue flames on is indicative of his regenerating state that isnt speculation when he was about to use the same form to heal himself and used the same form to rapidly heal himself from kizarus yasaka. Oda himself said the blue flames indicates his healing abilities being active they have no other purpose. Stop making up fanfic thats what you are doing right now.

And are u suggesting in normal circumstances that if garp hit him his punch would be immediately regenerated and he would still keep ascending that is some terrible logic he got thrown down because he bypassed his rapid regenerative powers which projectiles cant do and wouldnt stop him in his tracks. And i provided evidence for that but you keep making up fanfic saying that blue flames in only some instances indicate he is ready to start regenerating. Its not all that complicated but knowing you, you will try to make it more complex than it is.

*****'s arguing Marco so much he turned into Marco lmfaoo

he needed it to regenerate from taking so many L's in one day or the holes in his arguments

 

[Punk Hazard]

He had his defenses up that is not nearly as being off guard as giving up a fight where he didnt even activate his DF, this is not even arguable.

Just because he was fully transformed doesn't mean his defenses were up.

Anytime he has blue flames on is indicative of his regenerating state that isnt speculation when he was about to use the same form to heal himself and used the same form to rapidly heal himself from kizarus yasaka. Oda himself said the blue flames indicates his healing abilities being active they have no other purpose. Stop making up fanfic thats what you are doing right now.

Oda said he has the power to use the blue flames to heal wounds, but that doesn't mean the blue flames being active automatically heals him. He has to actually activate the power and actively heal himself. The process has never been shown to be automatic. Otherwise, the wounds on his back would have immediately started healing in the following scan, instead of pouring blood.

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And are u suggesting in normal circumstances that if garp hit him his punch would be immediately regenerated and he would still keep ascending

I never said that. Under normal circumstances, Marco would have done something to block the punch to counteract the force. If he took the punch head-on, but was actively using his healing powers where the punch connects, he'd still be sent flying, he just wouldn't have sustained damaged.

The difference between Kizaru's Yasaka no Magatama and Garp's punch is that nothing was actively acting against the force of Garp's punch, and the reason for that is it was a blindside. There is zero evidence that Marco couldn't have rendered that punch just as ineffective as he did the Yasaka.

that is some terrible logic he got thrown down because he bypassed his rapid regenerative powers which projectiles cant do

Show me where in that scans it shows Marco was actively regenerating. And no, the flames being on his body doesn't mean he's actively regenerating, since the wounds on his back would pouring blood like normal wounds while he was summoning flames when Kizaru shot him a second time.

 

[ToshiZO]

he needed it to regenerate from taking so many L's in one day or the holes in his arguments

Lmao, thats a good one.

 

[Hexuze]

Akainu wins. They're just dreaming that Garp would win because Ace died lol.

 

[arv993]

Just because he was fully transformed doesn't mean his defenses were up.



Oda said he has the power to use the blue flames to heal wounds, but that doesn't mean the blue flames being active automatically heals him. He has to actually activate the power and actively heal himself. The process has never been shown to be automatic. Otherwise, the wounds on his back would have immediately started healing in the following scan, instead of pouring blood.

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I never said that. Under normal circumstances, Marco would have done something to block the punch to counteract the force. If he took the punch head-on, but was actively using his healing powers where the punch connects, he'd still be sent flying, he just wouldn't have sustained damaged.

The difference between Kizaru's Yasaka no Magatama and Garp's punch is that nothing was actively acting against the force of Garp's punch, and the reason for that is it was a blindside. There is zero evidence that Marco couldn't have rendered that punch just as ineffective as he did the Yasaka.


Show me where in that scans it shows Marco was actively regenerating. And no, the flames being on his body doesn't mean he's actively regenerating, since the wounds on his back would pouring blood like normal wounds while he was summoning flames when Kizaru shot him a second time.

That's a lot of talk repeating the same point. But we know that physical attacks are better especially laced with haki which kizaru did not go for which is not his speciality.

Are you really that oblivious he didn't heal from those wounds because he got cuffed. Why are you asking the dumbest questions? The flames were on his feet not where the wound was. And obviously it's not going to work after he got cuffed. He was charging up to go full pheonix form which he couldn't on time.

Oda literally said the purpose of the blue flames are to heal himself and what was he covered in when garp hit him? blue flames!! lol how much more obvious does this have to be. We can see how fast his regeneration is when projectile attacks are placed on him and the guy was covered in blue flames. And you made my point for me using physical attacks stop him in his tracks he actually gets pushed back and has to stop he can't heal from them as fast especially with haki based attacks.

 

[-Akuma-]

Untrue, since he was contending evenly with Whitebeard before the heart attack. The heart attack just gave him an advantage, but before it, neither man had an advantage. That means he was indeed on his level.

WB had to hold back, please stop making me repeat myself. Akainu only ever got the upper hand due to a heart attack. Even if Akainu was on Old WB's level prime WB is still above him, stop this bullshit nonsense of Akainu being able to corner Roger.

 

[Gladius]

Akainu was already very weakened by WB. Why are people acting like it would be impossible for Garp to ambush a weakened Akainu and defeat him?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Akainu was already very weakened by WB. Why are people acting like it would be impossible for Garp to ambush a weakened Akainu and defeat him?

Because if all the commanders together couldn't, Garp ain't.

 

[Gladius]

Because if all the commanders together couldn't, Garp ain't.

Most of the commanders are irrelevant. The only ones there who mattered were Marco and Vista, and they were weakened by the war too. Besides, we don't know who would have won between Marco and Vista vs Akainu.