Tayuya vs Sakura/Hinata/Ino/Tenten

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Except he's wrong, because I clearly didn't use SM Kabuto feats, I merely pointed out that both subdued their opponents. Read over the thread before you come @ me. If you're still salty over the Kisame vs Gaara arguing lol. Shit was nothing, but hilarious, nothing to get irate over bruh.

So 3T Sasuke's Genjutsu is equal to EMS Madara's because both subdue their opponents.

Not even salty about our "debate" by the way. I know you took many L's gracefully because you couldn't actually address my argument.
 

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So 3T Sasuke's Genjutsu is equal to EMS Madara's because both subdue their opponents.

Not even salty about our "debate" by the way. I know you took many L's gracefully because you couldn't actually address my argument.

Obviously 3T Genjutsu is the same no matter who uses it. Only thing that changes with the power levels, is the potency. Nothing else changes. Fact.

You took the most L's nobody even sided with you. But I'm not discussing that here, take this to the VMs little nig.
 

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LOL.

Dude. You sound mad retarded right now. IF THAT'S WHAT THE JUTSU DOES, THEN WHY DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN IT.

Kabuto used the EXACT same jutsu, and it DID THE EXACT SAME THING. Stop with the bullshit. Just stop. Genjutsu can catch anyone, it doesn't matter their power level. Only thing power level does is make it easier to break out of Genjutsu through the correct methods. SOUND GENJUTSU was never shown to have the same prerequsites as general visual Genjutsu, and you can't prove it does, which is further noted when you agreed to Sakura being fully immobilized:
Exact same jutsu used by a different being so your point is moot. Yes it is easier to break out of genjutsu depending on various factors such as genjutsu prowess, intellect, chakra control and chakra strength. I don't see sound genjutsu being totally different to visual genjutsu. You're committing a logical fallacy by claiming since A was not shown, A can't be done. Jiraiya's explanation is a general one and it would apply to sound genjutsu as well unless there is a statement contradicting that.

Stop with the bullshit. Just take your L gracefully. I'm done here.
Part 1 Sakura =/= Current Sakura. You're the one who makes no sense. I even said "at this point".
 

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I'm done commenting. Until someone reputable says something.
Most reputable posters would agree that old man Hiruzen would counter Tayuya's genjutsu with ease. This was before his edo feats BTW.
 

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Obviously 3T Genjutsu is the same no matter who uses it. Only thing that changes with the power levels, is the potency. Nothing else changes. Fact.

You took the most L's nobody even sided with you. But I'm not discussing that here, take this to the VMs little nig.

They sided with you because you they advocate for Gaara. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't even try to use Argumentum ad Populum to justify your argument.

Other than that, that's essentially the point. If the potency differs, then SM Kabuto's feats cannot apply to Tayuya.
 

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They sided with you because you they advocate for Gaara. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't even try to use Argumentum ad Populum to justify your argument.

Other than that, that's essentially the point. If the potency differs, then SM Kabuto's feats cannot apply to Tayuya.

The argument of ignorance is one only used when speculation can only be used. I'll never use that regardless.

Dude, lol. I'm not saying Kabuto can use her Genjutsu at the strength level as Kabuto. What I'm saying the execution, and symptoms will always be the same no matter how much power you add to the technique.

Simple breaking out will be harder if someone with more potent chakra uses it. But that isn't the case here, because Tayuya's jutsu restricts ALL movement. As seen when Shikamaru blatantly said he was going to go all out with his chakra, then proceeds to waste much needed chakra to break the Genjutsu.

Why use a ninjutsu when you can simply break out of Sound Genjutsu that doesn't restrict your oral movements by biting your lip/tongue? Simple, he couldn't move. So he had to use Kagemane. This is deadass set in stone, and obvious. His usage of Kagemane was literally what made it obvious.
 

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KidGamer was wrong in that post :lol I've already addressed that in this thread :lol

Shikamaru broke his finger first then screamed. :lol

If Shikamaru could have bitten his lip he would've as I proved in this thread already. Dude said he was going to go all out, by expunging chakra. He would've saved his chakra to use it after he broke out of Genjutsu, if oral breakage (biting his tongue/lip) was possible :lol

Instead he used Kagemane. End of story.
Why would Shikamaru bite his lip? He needed to fool Tayuya but that's impossible to do when blood is coming out of your mouth. Using a tiny shadow takes negligible chakra and was well worth fooling her to bring her closer to him.
 

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Why would Shikamaru bite his lip? He needed to fool Tayuya but that's impossible to do when blood is coming out of your mouth. Using a tiny shadow takes negligible chakra and was well worth fooling her to bring her closer to him.

:lol Shikamaru's chakra reserves are shit, his shadows take up heavy chakra. Go read the Temari fight.

Biting his tongue/lip could be concealed obviously. If he could do either or, he could have sucked in his mouth/closed it to avoid blood from dripping out. Not hard in the least. Does it really make sense to sacrifice a finger over your lip/tongue? No it doesn't. It's obvious he couldn't do either.

Same reason why Nagato didn't make his paths do it. Same reason Itachi, and Sasuke didn't do it. Because they couldn't.
 

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The argument of ignorance is one only used when speculation can only be used. I'll never use that regardless.

Dude, lol. I'm not saying Kabuto can use her Genjutsu at the strength level as Kabuto. What I'm saying the execution, and symptoms will always be the same no matter how much power you add to the technique.

Simple breaking out will be harder if someone with more potent chakra uses it. But that isn't the case here, because Tayuya's jutsu restricts ALL movement. As seen when Shikamaru blatantly said he was going to go all out with his chakra, then proceeds to waste much needed chakra to break the Genjutsu.

And yet you happened to use a logical fallacy without your awareness.

I'm not seeing the relevancy of this here. Hand seals aren't a pre-requisite for chakra control, so while it makes countering the genjutsu more difficult, it's not impossible.
 

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And yet you happened to use a logical fallacy without your awareness.

I'm not seeing the relevancy of this here. Hand seals aren't a pre-requisite for chakra control, so while it makes countering the genjutsu more difficult, it's not impossible.

Prerequisite is one word.

Already proved overpowering Sound Genjutsu isn't possible solo. Hence why Itachi, and Sasuke needed each other. Try again.
 

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Prerequisite is one word.

Already proved overpowering Sound Genjutsu isn't possible solo. Hence why Itachi, and Sasuke needed each other. Try again.

That was only the case because SM Kabuto's chakra potency greatly exceeds Tayuya's.
 

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That was only the case because SM Kabuto's chakra potency greatly exceeds Tayuya's.

Dude... If you read... I've already addressed why Sound Genjutsu cannot be overpowered by solo means.

If so, Nagato would've done so when his paths got entrapped by Ma, and Pa's Sound Genjutsu. Nagato's chakra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two toads chakra. Fact. There is nothing else to say here.
 

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Dude... If you read... I've already addressed why Sound Genjutsu cannot be overpowered by solo means.

If so, Nagato would've done so when his paths got entrapped by Ma, and Pa's Sound Genjutsu. Nagato's chakra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two toads chakra. Fact. There is nothing else to say here.

Having superior chakra alone isn't going to allow you to disrupt every type of genjutsu and a significant factor you deliberately ignored is how the distance the Paths are from Nagato impacts how much chakra each of the Paths can receive.
 

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Having superior chakra alone isn't going to allow you to disrupt every type of genjutsu and a significant factor you deliberately ignored is how the distance the Paths are from Nagato impacts how much chakra each of the Paths can receive.

Lol dude.

Show me where in the manga is says Nagato's distance affects the paths. I've never seen that in my life.

Then what the f*ck is your point? If superior chakra levels, with the RINNEGAN can't break Sound Genjutsu then what can? ABSOLUTELY nothing Sakura does. That's fact.

Deva CST, which destroyed the whole leaf village; then implies that chakra is limited based on range. Smh.
 

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Lol dude.

Show me where in the manga is says Nagato's distance affects the paths. I've never seen that in my life.

Then what the f*ck is your point? If superior chakra levels, with the RINNEGAN can't break Sound Genjutsu then what can? ABSOLUTELY nothing Sakura does. That's fact.

Deva CST, which destroyed the whole leaf village; then implies that chakra is limited based on range. Smh.

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Distance impacts his chakra control or else he wouldn't have been forced to retreat against KN6 Naruto and get within Nagato's proximity to even use Chibaku Tensei.

I honestly am not going to spend that much time and effort just to address this bullshit, but Ma and Pa's Sound Genjutsu shits all over Tayuya's. It's a very illogical comparison.
 

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I'll respond to this later. This is deadass getting boring talking about the same shit lol.
 

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Tenten has no feats, Mind controls requires the target to be immobile and only Hinata can accomplish that but she hasn't got the required speed feats, Sakura can't dispel the genjutsu but if she comes up with a good plan they could give a fight. Tayuya wins. If this was PT2 however Sakura solos.
 

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Tenten has no feats, Mind controls requires the target to be immobile and only Hinata can accomplish that but she hasn't got the required speed feats, Sakura can't dispel the genjutsu but if she comes up with a good plan they could give a fight. Tayuya wins. If this was PT2 however Sakura solos.

Part 1 Sakura has
Medical ninjutsu
Nigh instant body flicker
And true aiming
I think she can possible high diff Tayuya
Medical ninjutsu can kill if done incorrectly
 
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