Does Kisame Wreck Classic Gokage? (Individually)

[DrProof]

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The bottom of the meteor is obviously larger than Water Dome's entire radius. If Gaara can cover the entire bottom portion with ease, then questioning he can >> water dome's size is stupid.

 

[NarutoX28]

"Gaara can't create more sand than the Water Dome because I think it should be that way, and it doesn't matter what the scans show"

Really?

I'm genuinely surprised that's all you gathered from my post.

There's something you need to comprehend such as logic and context. You can't comprehend these two things and shouldn't even be debating to begin with. I've already addressed why analyzing the manga scan in a literal sense is the worst way to go about doing things in majority of cases.

 

[ToshiZO]

I'm genuinely surprised that's all you gathered from my post.

There's something you need to comprehend such as logic and context. You can't comprehend these two things and shouldn't even be debating to begin with. I've already addressed why analyzing the manga scan in a literal sense is the worst way to go about doing things in majority of cases.

I'm the first one to analyze things in context, actually I think I'm one of the only people who visit this section that actually look at manga portrayal heavily. But no you make zero sense with this one, this is a question of AOE, literally you are arguing the size of a drawing when it is clearly in the scans, you can't argue that, sounds like senseless hate.

 

[DrProof]

I'm genuinely surprised that's all you gathered from my post.

There's something you need to comprehend such as logic and context. You can't comprehend these two things and shouldn't even be debating to begin with. I've already addressed why analyzing the manga scan in a literal sense is the worst way to go about doing things in majority of cases.

I find it hilarious that you responded to his post, rather than the others showcasing that Gaara with ease covered the bottom portion of the meteorite which is substantially larger than Kisame's WD. :lol

Don't throw shade @ Tosh, when he's completely on the money. Especially with Jinrou redefining your fallacy/incorrectness in regards to Gaara's sand tsunami size.

Just concede, and take this L gracefully.

 

[KidGamer65]

Adding onto the Meteor point, the Meteor is about as wide as Madara's PS give or take. Bijuu are the size (width, height and everything) of it's hands and feet. :lol If Gaara's regular Sand is wide enough to cover even half of the bottom of that Meteor then his Sand Tsunami would be larger than Water Dome.

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[DrProof]

Adding onto the Meteor point, the Meteor is about as wide as Madara's PS give or take. Bijuu are the size (width, height and everything) of it's hands and feet. :lol If Gaara's regular Sand is wide enough to cover even half of the bottom of that Meteor then his Sand Tsunami would be larger than Water Dome.

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Which Gaara was shown to accomplish here:

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So you retract your statement saying that Sand Tsunami << Water Dome? Let me know if you need scans of Gaara's sand being drawn like that. Some people try to deny the obvious but w/e.

 

[Edogawa]

Kisame's Suiton dome is just about the size of a mountain.

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PS is the height of destroyed meteor and mountain, meaning the Suiton dome is wider than sand used to halt the bottom of meteor. This isn't even Kisame's greatest volume of water.

I don't know why this is got into size contrast. Volume of a Jutsu is dependent on the Chakra supplied to it. While I'm on it, magnitude comparison between Gaara's sand and Kisame's Suiton is fallacious, because it's not taken in account of hypothetical situation. Kisame can create water on greater magnitude than Gaara can create sand, because Kisame's Chakra level dwarfs Gaara's based on portrayal and feats. So this size debate is irrelevant, tbh.

Answering the thread: He beats Tsunade, Mei and Gaara; loses to At and Onoki.

 

[DrProof]

So NarutoX28 you going to take this L gracefully or nah.

 

[NarutoX28]

Dude :lol.

If you USE YOUR EYES :lol you'll see that Gaara's Sand goes further than we can see, shown by both the anime/manga depictions. Dude, I'm not saying Gaara's sand is bigger in terms of vertical size (overall compiled mass), I'm saying both the length, and width exceed its own, and when compilled they would =/slightly smaller than WD's overall size (doubtful :lol).

That was Kisame with no water source :lol. This was Gaara with LANDS OF GROUND to make his Sand Tsunami x (times) larger than it normally would be.

No source <<<< Source of production. Smh. This is not hard to understand at all, and the fact that you would sneak diss like a little ****** in the group calling this Gaara wank shows me you're a hoe ass nig. Say it in this thread, don't bring it to the group. Straight hoe move.

I seriously addressed why having such a superficial and literal view over the manga is incorrect and yet you've provided nothing, but the same old regurgitated argument.

Incorrect, Kisame creates his own water source before utilizing Waterdome and while Gaara had the advantage of using the environment as a medium for his jutsu, he still has to utilize chakra not only to form sand, but also to pressurize and provide density for the sand. It's certainly a far more difficult task than Kisame and to even suggest that Gaara can amass more chakra than Nagato is absolutely ridiculous. You can constantly claim, "Look at the damn scan!" but I've already addressed that by expressing how Kishimoto's own conception of things at the time was what bolstered the magnitude of the technique, so it's not as large as you're letting on.

 

[KidGamer65]

Which Gaara was shown to accomplish here:

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So you retract your statement saying that Sand Tsunami << Water Dome? Let me know if you need scans of Gaara's sand being drawn like that. Some people try to deny the obvious but w/e.

Part 2's should be bigger, but I only said that Part 1's wasn't bigger and I stand by that statement.

 

[DrProof]

Kisame's Suiton dome is just about the size of a mountain.

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PS is the height of destroyed meteor and mountain, meaning the Suiton dome is wider than sand used to halt the bottom of meteor. This isn't even Kisame's greatest volume of water.

I don't know why this is got into size contrast. Volume of a Jutsu is dependent on the Chakra supplied to it. While I'm on it, magnitude comparison between Gaara's sand and Kisame's Suiton is fallacious, because it's not taken in account of hypothetical situation. Kisame can create water on greater magnitude than Gaara can create sand, because Kisame's Chakra level dwarfs Gaara's based on portrayal and feats. So this size debate is irrelevant, tbh.

Answering the thread: He beats Tsunade, Mei and Gaara; loses to At and Onoki.

:lol What?

We're arguing if Gaara's sand tsunami >> WD in width/length which is does, because the meteorite Gaara sent down was >>> in length/width/overall size than any mountain shown in Naruto.

If Gaara's sand was capable of covering the entire bottom of Madara's meteorite which it was, than Gaara's Sand Tsunami >> WD in width/length. Simple af.

Also, Kisame having more chakra then Gaara? :lol speculation af, especially with Gaara's performance in the war arc >> anything Kisame has down thus far. Fact.

 

[DrProof]

Part 2's should be bigger, but I only said that Part 1's wasn't bigger and I stand by that statement.

But here's the thing g. I only said Gaara's sand tsunami in Pt.1 > Kisame's WD due to the fact he had the entire forest as his production mill basically. Kisame's WD doesn't > an entire forest, as seen here:

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What do you say now.

Here's the manga depiction:

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No where near the size of an entire forest.

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm the first one to analyze things in context, actually I think I'm one of the only people who visit this section that actually look at manga portrayal heavily. But no you make zero sense with this one, this is a question of AOE, literally you are arguing the size of a drawing when it is clearly in the scans, you can't argue that, sounds like senseless hate.

I'm arguing against the size because Kisame's Waterdome and P1 Gaara's Sand Tsunami were created under two entirely different settings, the latter of which was when a magnitude of that level was considered impressive, so clearly, Kishimoto would put effort in making it visually stunning. Comparing two different techniques created under two entirely different conditions is a fallacious way to debate because you're disregarding context altogether.

 

[DrProof]

I'm arguing against the size because Kisame's Waterdome and P1 Gaara's Sand Tsunami were created under two entirely different settings, the latter of which was when a magnitude of that level was considered impressive, so clearly, Kishimoto would put effort in making it visually stunning. Comparing two different techniques created under two entirely different conditions is a fallacious way to debate because you're disregarding context altogether.

:lol So just because you believe Pt.1 techniques sizes << Pt.2 techniques sizes when I've just shown that that isn't the case here you believe you're right? :lol this is foolassery to its finest.

Just take your L with grace.

 

[NarutoX28]

:lol So just because you believe Pt.1 techniques sizes << Pt.2 techniques sizes when I've just shown that that isn't the case here you believe you're right? :lol this is foolassery to its finest.

Just take your L with grace.

No, that's not even what I'm claiming. I'm beginning to think debating with you is pointless when you fail to even obtain the gist of the main idea of my post. For now, I'll lurk in the shadows like my elegant nigguh Itachi and see how this debate with the others plays out.

 

[KidGamer65]

But here's the thing g. I only said Gaara's sand tsunami in Pt.1 > Kisame's WD due to the fact he had the entire forest as his production mill basically. Kisame's WD doesn't > an entire forest, as seen here:

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What do you say now.

That's not even close to being a whole forest though. The sand covered the majority of the grass plain that Gaara was fighting on and it caught some of the trees as shown in the scan above.

 

[Edogawa]

:lol What?

We're arguing if Gaara's sand tsunami >> WD in width/length which is does, because the meteorite Gaara sent down was >>> in length/width/overall size than any mountain shown in Naruto.

If Gaara's sand was capable of covering the entire bottom of Madara's meteorite which it was, than Gaara's Sand Tsunami >> WD in width/length. Simple af.

Also, Kisame having more chakra then Gaara? :lol speculation af, especially with Gaara's performance in the war arc >> anything Kisame has down thus far. Fact.

Then you're scaling things completely off accuracy.

Sand Tsunami only has the volume of forest [

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], which isn't an impressive feat in P2, as most characters in P2 can now destroy a forest. Water Dome is both in width and height equal to a singular mountain. I posted the scan above. Mountain volume > forest volume.

Now on the meteor, lol. It's obviously not bigger than any mountain, lmao. The full meteor is the height of PS, which is the height of a singular mountain. The equation is then this:

Water Dome = singular mountain = PS = full meteor > bottom meteor = Gaara's sand which halted it > sand tsunami = forest.

Kisame has more Chakra than Gaara is based on how the author portrays Kisame's Chakra sensed by characters in contrast to Gaara's Chakra sensed by characters. Karin senses Gaara's Chakra and doesn't exaggerate anything about it, while she senses Kisame's Chakra and calls it big. Then Kisame has more Chakra based on this analogy. As for feats, apart from Water Dome, Suiton: Bakusui Shōha has greater quantity than anything Gaara showed only at 30% of his Chakra.

 

[DrProof]

No, that's not even what I'm claiming. I'm beginning to think debating with you is pointless when you fail to even obtain the gist of the main idea of my post. For now, I'll lurk in the shadows like my elegant nigguh Itachi and see how this debate with the others plays out.

Dude everyone here understands what you're saying. But what you're saying is speculative inference. You can do whatever you want. I'll take it as a concession. Idk why its so hard to take an L gracefully.

That's not even close to being a whole forest though. The sand covered the majority of the grass plain that Gaara was fighting on and it caught some of the trees as shown in the scan above.

In the anime depiction it showed the sand running deeper similar to how the manga implied it as well by the sand running off page etc. But even then, that strengthens my point when you think about it. Gaara flowed his chakra into the immediate vicinity (the grass-plains), seen when he stomped, and all the materialized sand emerged from within the ground.

I mean imagine if he spread his chakra out further than the small vicinity he'd initially targeted. Obviously he could, at the sheer fact Gaara said it takes no effort/it's no art (meaning its easy af/no swear of his back), with that Pt.1 Gaara could indeed make a sand tsunami > water dome.

That's if you believe that a Pt.1 Gaara who manipulated the small vicinity to create the sand tsunami didn't make it in proportions close to WD.

 

[Jinrou]

Then you're scaling things completely off accuracy.

Sand Tsunami only has the volume of forest [

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], which isn't an impressive feat in P2, as most characters in P2 can now destroy a forest. Water Dome is both in width and height equal to a singular mountain. I posted the scan above. Mountain volume > forest volume.

Now on the meteor, lol. It's obviously not bigger than any mountain, lmao. The full meteor is the height of PS, which is the height of a singular mountain. The equation is then this:

Water Dome = singular mountain = PS = full meteor > bottom meteor = Gaara's sand which halted it > sand tsunami = forest.

Kisame has more Chakra than Gaara is based on how the author portrays Kisame's Chakra sensed by characters in contrast to Gaara's Chakra sensed by characters. Karin senses Gaara's Chakra and doesn't exaggerate anything about it, while she senses Kisame's Chakra and calls it big. Then Kisame has more Chakra based on this analogy. As for feats, apart from Water Dome, Suiton: Bakusui Shōha has greater quantity than anything Gaara showed only at 30% of his Chakra.

Your scaling seems off though. The Land of lightning where the war took place is notable for mountains that reach the clouds...hence village hidden in the clouds with the Raikage's office at the tallest one.

But now I'm looking at Kisame's water dome..Are you telling me Madara's PS would stand in that location and not completely dwarf the mountains and the dome?

 

[KidGamer65]

What's the argument here anyway? Are we arguing overall size or just length and width? Cause if it's the former then there's definitely no way that Pt. 1 Gaara's Sand Tsunami is even close to being comparable to Kisame's Water Dome and it'd make Pt 2. Water Dome easily debatable.