Should Tobi have been the Final Villain?

[Guntah]

We can all agree that Kaguya was not that fully developed as a final villain. Madara had too little a connection to the main characters and Obito, despite having ALMOST everything, still didn't quite fit the bill as perfectly as most of us would've liked.

So was the Masked Man truly the best option for a final villain?

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It seems so. He is still very much threatening, unlike Obito, and he is powerful, has connection to both the main characters, a viable goal...I don't know. Maybe if he'd been handled differently, maybe even given a different identity, a different reveal....well, anyway, what do you guys think?

 

[Holy God]

Then Obito's survival from the rocks and Madara's relevance to the story would have made no sense.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

Tobidara was one of the best villains. Better than Kayuga.

 

[Angelic.]

With the juubi hyped up as a world destroyer no

 

[Guntah]

Then Obito's survival from the rocks and Madara's relevance to the story would have made no sense.

Obito surviving the rocks only becomes a plot point the moment he becomes Tobi, and Madara could have really partnered with anyone else for the sake of a common goal, Tobi being Obito didn't affect his survival or the role he played in the war that much.

 

[NextGenNinja]

So he'd just be some random dude with no backstory? so a kaguya type villain?
I personally hoped the Juubi would've been FV but i guess i sorta got my wish? I never thought it'd be the sage's mommy though.

 

[Guntah]

With the juubi hyped up as a world destroyer no

Well, Tobi's goal was to become a Jinchuuriki long before he was revealed as Obito, so who knows. The Juubi could've also been a great final villain had it been handled differently.

 

[patrickscott]

Madara should have been final, Kaguya came out of nowhere. Literally

 

[90sKids98]

Tobi had to be revealed at some point so meh, I only wish Obito's motives weren't so terribly written. Who really needed to be taken out of the story entirely was Kaguya, irrelevant hag that no one cared about

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

Obito surviving the rocks only becomes a plot point the moment he becomes Tobi, and Madara could have really partnered with anyone else for the sake of a common goal, Tobi being Obito didn't affect his survival or the role he played in the war that much.

Yes I agree!! Like Zero in Code Geass

 

[Holy God]

Obito surviving the rocks only becomes a plot point the moment he becomes Tobi, and Madara could have really partnered with anyone else for the sake of a common goal, Tobi being Obito didn't affect his survival or the role he played in the war that much.

You're saying then if Tobi wasn't even Obito? It makes for a lackluster ending in my opinion, and Madara's plan of being revived, and him being introduced in the first place, would have been irrelevant. I enjoyed Madara and Kaguya though, so I have no quarrels with the story.

 

[Guntah]

So he'd just be some random dude with no backstory? so a kaguya type villain?

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I didn't say that. A reveal could still happen, but him remaining true to the idea of being No One could still count. We wouldn't know where he came from, but sh*t, that doesn't mean he has no backstory. He was there to release the Kyuubi, he took part in the Uchiha massacre, he controlled the Mizukage...that's backstory.

 

[The Necromancer]

Then Obito's survival from the rocks and Madara's relevance to the story would have made no sense.

If Tobi was the villain, neither of those things would have happened.

 

[Guntah]

You're saying then if Tobi wasn't even Obito? It makes for a lackluster ending in my opinion, and Madara's plan of being revived, and him being introduced in the first place, would have been irrelevant. I enjoyed Madara and Kaguya though, so I have no quarrels with the story.

I also enjoyed it, but while I have my own quarrels with the story, this is about character and motivations. Tobi could've still ended up as Obito, as long as the character, in his core, wasn't changed by the reveal.

 

[NextGenNinja]

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I didn't say that. A reveal could still happen, but him remaining true to the idea of being No One could still count. We wouldn't know where he came from, but sh*t, that doesn't mean he has no backstory. He was there to release the Kyuubi, he took part in the Uchiha massacre, he controlled the Mizukage...that's backstory.

Was trying to indirectly insult kaguya but i guess, i failed. Like i said, would've preferred the Juubi as FV.

 

[Guntah]

Madara should have been final, Kaguya came out of nowhere. Literally

Nah, Madara lacks one big thing needed for the Final Villain...

He has too little of a connection to the Protagonist.

 

[Guntah]

Was trying to indirectly insult kaguya but i guess, i failed. Like i said, would've preferred the Juubi as FV.

I agree that would've worked great too, if the Juubi was written to have a primordial consciousness of sorts and could hijack its Jinchuuriki to take control rather than just being a raging beast.

 

[Umari Senju]

Madara should have been final, Kaguya came out of nowhere. Literally

I have to agree with you again. JJ Obito would have made a fitting final Villain, but since Madara had been pulling the stings I would have been utterly fine with him being the surprise final building. At least we knew about Madara and how powerful he was since the days of part I. We didn't even hear about Kaguya unti last half of the war arc

 

[Guntah]

Tobi had to be revealed at some point so meh, I only wish Obito's motives weren't so terribly written. Who really needed to be taken out of the story entirely was Kaguya, irrelevant hag that no one cared about

The only reason he needed to be revealed was because the characters continued questioning who he was even after it was stated by Tobi himself to not matter at all.

 

[Umari Senju]

Nah, Madara lacks one big thing needed for the Final Villain...

He has too little of a connection to the Protagonist.

True but he had more of a connection with Sasuke Naruto's rival so it would have stilled worked. Especially since Naruto and Sasuke needed to fight him together.