[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[Punk Hazard]

I guess you forgot that DD was only able to do that because Trebol distracted Law.....

One of Bellamy's punches made a CoA-clad Luffyvspit out blood. Luffy was taking those lunches for over 10 minutes at least nonstop. Not to mention that he was wasting Haki during that time as well. Oda even dedicated a few panels to have Luffy and DD comment on how both were very injured, so it should be pretty obvious that Oda believes they were nearly equal in health at that point.

Are you reading? Whatever Bellamy and Trebol contributed to the fight can easily be replicated and achieved with his Awakening. Stop and ask yourself this: Are Trebol and Bellamy better than Awakening? If the answer is no, then what's stopping Doflamingo from filling their spots with Awakening?

Luffy made Garp spit out way more blood, and busted his head open and covered his face with blood. Does that make Luffy substantial in comparison to Garp at Marineford? Hell no. Luffy was NEVER using a substantial amount of Haki until Gear Fourth. The Haki he used between the end of his fight with Chinjaoi and his fight with Doflamingo wasn't even more than the Haki he used on Punk Hazard. Quit deluding yourself.

 

[OG sama]

Okay. And?


Okay. And.

What have you even been trying to prove arguing with me this whole time? This was never about Luffy not being strong enough to beat Kaido or anyone, this was just my personal opinion on how strong Cracker is. And why he could be stronger, Oda needs to highlight how much of a threat Big Mom is, not a Doflamingo + level commander.

You just seem so awfully butthurt about what I say, I know your a Doffy fan but this is all just my opinion.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Are you reading? Whatever Bellamy and Trebol contributed to the fight can easily be replicated and achieved with his Awakening. Stop and ask yourself this: Are Trebol and Bellamy better than Awakening? If the answer is no, then what's stopping Doflamingo from filling their spots with Awakening?

DD's Awakening could barely hold off G4 Luffy. Imagine how hard it would be for DD to defend himself if he by himself had to fight G4 Luffy and a guy who can teleport people and one shot you if you're not careful.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What have you even been trying to prove arguing with me this whole time?

That Big Mom sending Cracker because Luffy defeated Dofi isn't substantial or absolute proof that Cracker is stronger than Dofi.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Law > Diamante, Trebol, Bellamy, Pica combined.

Nice ABC logic bro..... Let's just ignore the fact that someone's personal feelings towards the person they're fighting can have a significant impact on how they fight because clearly individual strength is literally the only factor in team battles...

 

[Punk Hazard]

DD's Awakening could barely hold off G4 Luffy. Imagine how hard it would be for DD to defend himself if he by himself had to fight G4 Luffy and a guy who can teleport people and one shot you if you're not careful.

Barely? Wrong. It held off Luffy for 30 whole minutes. It cut Luffy open, and kept him from getting close to Doflamingo for an entire half hour. That grants it substantial power.

Unless you think Bellamy and Trebol are more powerful than Doffy's awakening, then there is zero chance of their absence changing the pace of the fight to the degree that Luffy and Law would win, much less win any lower than high-extreme diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nice ABC logic bro..... Let's just ignore the fact that someone's personal feelings towards the person they're fighting can have a significant impact on how they fight because clearly individual strength is literally the only factor in team battles...

Personal feelings play zero part in this topic whatsoever.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Personal feelings play zero part in this topic whatsoever.

Last time I checked, Luffy and Law were separated for a while because of Luffy's feelings towards Bellamy which made him stand there for several minutes and just take hits from Bellamy.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

What? Doffy never tanked any of this shit, he was constantly stitching his organs together. Not all fights play out the same way either, what if Luffy defeats Cracker with a brand new OP Gear 4 attack what are you going to say?

So your saying doffy didnot tank gear 4th attacks both times luffy used
It


And your also saying he did not tank laws gamma knife


If so then what happened ? If he didn't tank it why was he still standing after the first gear 4th

As for stiching his organs together he ranked it enough that he did not immediately go unconscious... Then was able to stitch them back together ....

I'm not arguing this dude if u think doffy is a push over and didn't tank anything your entitled to your opinion as am I

But my statement still stands clear


Until cracker tanks an attack similar to gamma knife (all internal organs bursting at once)

And 2 consecutive gear 4th intervals he would not be stronger then doffy...

As for if luffy defeats him with new gear 4th attack I would say well he's most likely weaker then dofflamingo because even after having organs busted it took 2 intervals of gear 4th to put him down.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Barely? Wrong. It held off Luffy for 30 whole minutes. It cut Luffy open, and kept him from getting close to Doflamingo for an entire half hour. That grants it substantial power.

Unless you think Bellamy and Trebol are more powerful than Doffy's awakening, then there is zero chance of their absence changing the pace of the fight to the degree that Luffy and Law would win, much less win any lower than high-extreme diff.

Lmao I just remembered that you once said Law and a toddler could potentially defeat Roger since Law could use his personality swap ability. But here you believe that Luffy and Law together might not even be able to defeat DD. Talk about fanboyism

 

[OG sama]

That Big Mom sending Cracker because Luffy defeated Dofi isn't substantial or absolute proof that Cracker is stronger than Dofi.

With you, it never is or never will be. He's a Top 3 Big Mom Commander much like Marco, Jozu, and Vista are WBs Top 3. Its All context, Oda wants us to know Cracker ain't no joke and I explained why in my first post.

Its pretty obvious Oda wants us to see Cracker as a powerful commander who is stronger than Doflamingo.

Top 3 commander with an 860 million bounty who Big Mom trust can beat a guy who she believes soloed Doflamingo, ain't good proof? You can't tell what Oda is trying to convey here?

This all just sounds like, if you dont want Cracker to be stronger, then in your eyes he's not.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Last time I checked, Luffy and Law were separated for a while because of Luffy's feelings towards Bellamy which made him stand there for several minutes and just take hits from Bellamy.

Those feelings no longer exist, as Luffy got over them and knocked Bellamy out. So it's irrelevant.

Doflamingo's Awakening strings are far more effective than the emotions Luffy feels towards Bellamy.

Lmao I just remembered that you once said Law and a toddler could potentially defeat Roger since Law could use his personality swap ability. But here you believe that Luffy and Law together might not even be able to defeat DD. Talk about fanboyism

I remember saying the potential of that scenario exists, but is so abysmally low, it'll practically never happen. Nice try with the Strawman/Ad Hominem combo, but try actual debates next time.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Those feelings no longer exist, as Luffy got over them and knocked Bellamy out. So it's irrelevant.

Doflamingo's Awakening strings are far more effective than the emotions Luffy feels towards Bellamy.


I remember saying the potential of that scenario exists, but is so abysmally low, it'll practically never happen. Nice try with the Strawman/Ad Hominem combo, but try actual debates next time.

Yes Luffy knocked him out. After standing there for several minutes and taking hits from Bellamy nonstop while DD and Trebol ganged up on Law. Why didn't Doffy just kill Bellamy use Awakening against them from the start if it's as effective as you say it is?

 

[OG sama]

So your saying doffy didnot tank gear 4th attacks both times luffy used
It


And your also saying he did not tank laws gamma knife


If so then what happened ? If he didn't tank it why was he still standing after the first gear 4th

As for stiching his organs together he ranked it enough that he did not immediately go unconscious... Then was able to stitch them back together ....

I'm not arguing this dude if u think doffy is a push over and didn't tank anything your entitled to your opinion as am I

But my statement still stands clear


Until cracker tanks an attack similar to gamma knife (all internal organs bursting at once)

And 2 consecutive gear 4th intervals he would not be stronger then doffy...

As for if luffy defeats him with new gear 4th attack I would say well he's most likely weaker then dofflamingo because even after having organs busted it took 2 intervals of gear 4th to put him down.

DD was getting his ass handed to him while G4 was active, he never tanked anything because his organs were constantly getting re stitched. His organs never busted, for the last time he just kept re stitching them.

It hardly took two intervals, the secondd time around he needed just one attack. It was his strongest but that over killed Mingo busting through his strongest offense + defense and nearly tearing DR into two.

Lol look at this Doflamingo D riding, so if Luffy develops an even stronger attack than KKG,you know, the attack that shifted on Mingo as is, Cracker still wont be stronger?

 

[Punk Hazard]

With you, it never is or never will be. He's a Top 3 Big Mom Commander much like Marco, Jozu, and Vista are WBs Top 3. Its All context, Oda wants us to know Cracker ain't no joke and I explained why in my first post.

Its pretty obvious Oda wants us to see Cracker as a powerful commander who is stronger than Doflamingo.

Top 3 commander with an 860 million bounty who Big Mom trust can beat a guy who she believes soloed Doflamingo, ain't good proof? You can't tell what Oda is trying to convey here?

This all just sounds like, if you dont want Cracker to be stronger, then in your eyes he's not.

I don't care who is stronger. Just hit me up when the proof comes.

Yes Luffy knocked him out. After standing there for several minutes and taking hits from Bellamy nonstop while DD and Trebol ganged up on Law. Why didn't Doffy just kill Bellamy use Awakening against them from the start if it's as effective as you say it is?

You really think those hits=Gamma Knife? Lol

Because Doflamingo is sadistic. Why do you think he hit Luffy in the stomach with his Awakened spears instead of his eyes or throat after Luffy regained his Haki?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Luffy most likely grew stronger from his fight with Doflamingo especially with the 2weeks timeskip he got from Zou to the Whole Cake Island, so his base stats are probably greater and so will his haki and g4. With that said, it doesn't matter in this considering even in dressrosa G4 was >>> Doflamingo. So it'd depend on how Cracker performs against it

Lol Luffy got stronger in 2weeks nah bruh. Luffy stayed the same from enies lobby all the way up until the time skip.

 

[OG sama]

I don't care who is stronger. Just hit me up when the proof comes.

I don't believe that for a second.

Oda isn't about to spoon feed you everything, sometimes you need to use your common sense, use context clues, and use your reading comprehension to understand things.

But lol its just like I said, when you don't wanna believe someone is stronger you want absolute proof. But if this wasn't about Doflamingo you wouldn't be saying this, you would actually use your brain.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I don't care who is stronger. Just hit me up when the proof comes.


You really think those hits=Gamma Knife? Lol

Because Doflamingo is sadistic. Why do you think he hit Luffy in the stomach with his Awakened spears instead of his eyes or throat after Luffy regained his Haki?

Luffy and DD both said in several panels that the other was very damaged. Oda was clearly trying to tell us that both were weakened by about the same amount. You shouldn't underestimate the damage that being punched nonstop for several minutes can do, but I'm guessing that you think Luffy could brush off those many punches as if it were nothing.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy and DD both said in several panels that the other was very damaged. Oda was clearly trying to tell us that both were weakened by about the same amount. You shouldn't underestimate the damage that being punched nonstop for several minutes can do, but I'm guessing that you think Luffy could brush off those many punches as if it were nothing.

Very damaged=/=taking the same amount of damage. Unless Bellamy can bring Doflamingo close to death like Law did, then the damage was not equal.

I don't believe that for a second.

Oda isn't about to spoon feed you everything, sometimes you need to use your common sense, use context clues, and use your reading comprehension to understand things.

But lol its just like I said, when you don't wanna believe someone is stronger you want absolute proof. But if this wasn't about Doflamingo you wouldn't be saying this, you would actually use your brain.

And that's fine. Just hit me up when the proof comes. When something in the manga can be validly used as proof that Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo beyond a reasonable doubt, then awesome. This ain't it though.

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't believe that for a second.

Oda isn't about to spoon feed you everything, sometimes you need to use your common sense, use context clues, and use your reading comprehension to understand things.

But lol its just like I said, when you don't wanna believe someone is stronger you want absolute proof. But if this wasn't about Doflamingo you wouldn't be saying this, you would actually use your brain.

You need to calm down with this "every character shown from now on > Doflamingo" routine.

Let it play out. You're acting like we got some confirmation. Doflamingo has his own hype, now its time for others, obviously others will get their hype, but until something concrete is shown, no point in making premature assumptions.