[Predictions] Naruto Manga 502 Discussion and 503 Predictions

[Scorps]

That's the only question that I don't have a solid answer to. Hashirama would make sure to check if Madara was dead, so there would be no real way for Madara to play dead as Hashirama leaves the scene. If Madara did indeed use Izanagi, you have to consider the consequences as well. An eye loses vision permanently, and considering Madara's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, I don't know whether he would make such a large sacrifice. But I suppose that in choosing between life and doujutsu, he took life. So if Madara did indeed use Izanagi, then the collective power of the tailed beasts will go towards strengthening his eyes, so that he may resurrect the Jubi and become its host - and then project his eyes onto the moon, Mugen Tsukuyomi. The infamous Moon's Eye Plan.

There is another way to explain everything that Madara has shown so far. Even his deception when he tricked the first in believing he was dead.

Well, if Eternal Mangeykou Sharingan is a form of sharingan that never loses it's "light", can it cast Izanagi without being rendered useless?
What if his space time jutsu is nothing more than izanagi? remember that danzo showed more or less that ability when using izanagi. attacks passed through him. And with madara one can consider that he would be more adept at it than a non-uchiha, allowing him to use it more freely and with greater ability. It would explain the eye we never see (it's beeing kept active with izanagi the whole time), the ability to pass through things, being impervious to attack, the inability to use other jutsu (his chakra is being used constantly in izanagi) and it could explain how he's still alive (it's a genjutsu that allows you to shape your reality, so he can be shapping his so that it keeps him alive, and that's another reason to keep the hidden eye always active).

what do you think?

 

[danivass]

There is another way to explain everything that Madara has shown so far. Even his deception when he tricked the first in believing he was dead.

Well, if Eternal Mangeykou Sharingan is a form of sharingan that never loses it's "light", can it cast Izanagi without being rendered useless?
What if his space time jutsu is nothing more than izanagi? remember that danzo showed more or less that ability when using izanagi. attacks passed through him. And with madara one can consider that he would be more adept at it than a non-uchiha, allowing him to use it more freely and with greater ability. It would explain the eye we never see (it's beeing kept active with izanagi the whole time), the ability to pass through things, being impervious to attack, the inability to use other jutsu (his chakra is being used constantly in izanagi) and it could explain how he's still alive (it's a genjutsu that allows you to shape your reality, so he can be shapping his so that it keeps him alive, and that's another reason to keep the hidden eye always active).

what do you think?

Nice theory it's the best one someone's got so far on Madara, congrats about that

 

[jmanindian]

I love the manga...went from watching just the shows to wanting to know what happens after. Can't wait for the next one to come out (tomorrow right?), especially since it's getting pretty awesome...I just hope Naruto doesn't rap D: LOL

 

[Scorps]

Nice theory it's the best one someone's got so far on Madara, congrats about that

Thanks dude when I was reading all the opinions in the subject all of this just like...made sense. His eye isn't lost, so it has to be doing something. He has to be alive because of his eyes. So, maybe in despair he activated Izanagi trying to save himself from the 1st, but after it was activated, when he expected the tech to end and his eye to become blind, his chakra and his EMS enabled it to be kept active. Probably if he disables it, the eye will be lost. So he kept it active and survived for all these years. Lets see what kishi has in store for us.

If i'm right i'll treat everyone in the forum to a nice bowl of Ramen. LOL

 

[danivass]

I love the manga...went from watching just the shows to wanting to know what happens after. Can't wait for the next one to come out (tomorrow right?), especially since it's getting pretty awesome...I just hope Naruto doesn't rap D: LOL

Tomorrow is the Japanese manga, by thirsday morning or maybe wednesday night depending on your timezone the manga would normally be up on mangashare and from there it will be uploaded here too, but I am not sure whether there will not be a delay as one of their scanlators has quit.
And I doubt Naruto rapping while Kushina tells him how his dad fought Madara

 

[danivass]

Thanks dude when I was reading all the opinions in the subject all of this just like...made sense. His eye isn't lost, so it has to be doing something. He has to be alive because of his eyes. So, maybe in despair he activated Izanagi trying to save himself from the 1st, but after it was activated, when he expected the tech to end and his eye to become blind, his chakra and his EMS enabled it to be kept active. Probably if he disables it, the eye will be lost. So he kept it active and survived for all these years. Lets see what kishi has in store for us.

If i'm right i'll treat everyone in the forum to a nice bowl of Ramen. LOL

And if the prediction in my signature is correct I'll get sake and dango

 

[Scorps]

And if the prediction in my signature is correct I'll get sake and dango

Lol! I do think you're right about that. He could do it. Let's see if he can master it, since no one is here to teach him that tech, and minato probably learned it from Sarutobi (although the third couldn't use it, he knew the jutsu (he knew all of them) and how it worked so he could have teached it to minato) who learned it from the 2nd, the original user of the jutsu (apparently). So, let's see who comes to teach naruto. Also, even if in sage mode he's essencialy a sensor, the special seal in the kunai may not be only to sense were it is, but to complement the technique it self. Like a reverse-self-sumoning. The seal works as a summon jutsu, summoning minato to whetever the seal is. I don't know. That tech is very hard to understand. And can't wait 'till they explain it!!!

Oh don't forget those fantastic rice-dumplings (can't remember the original name)...those work very well as desert!!!

 

[angelg33]

2 things that i re read in manga 480 something to around 490 something (Sorry folks-ADD).
The Sage Toad asked Naruto "so you know WHAT Sasuke is? Interesting.
Kabuto said to Tobi " Tobi, or these days you go by Uchiha Madara" implying to me that its not really Madara.

Let me know what u guys think.

 

[angelg33]

2 things that i re read in manga 480 something to around 490 something (Sorry folks-ADD).
The Sage Toad asked Naruto "so you know WHAT Sasuke is? Interesting.
Kabuto said to Tobi " Tobi, or these days you go by Uchiha Madara" implying to me that its not really Madara.

Let me know what u guys think.

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These are what I was looking for....
What if Sasuke got some of the 9 tails inside of him? i.e. sora?

 

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What if Sasuke got some of the 9 tails inside of him? i.e. sora?

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what if she was about to say that Narutos chakra was like Sasukes when he was fighting the Raikage?

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[silenceofthelambs]

It is still not known what that special power is. It may not be the Kyuubi, but a jutsu which requires a lot of chakra. And also Orochimaru resisted the Third's Shiki Fuujin pretty well, so how do you expect Minato's Shiki Fuujin to have overpowered the fox? I mean it has nine tails, and it only took six to turn Shinra tensei back on Nagato. Either the villagers beat it up pretty well distracting it or knocking it out or someone applied a super strong seal to supress it (partially, that thing is probably invincible) while the Shiki Fuujin was in progress.



And Mito Uzumaki was NOT there ready to seal the nine-tails.

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It clearly says After Hashirama's victory and even in the manga it is never said that she sealed the Kyuubi in herself during the fight, I believe the exact words are "During their fight Hashirama-sama gained control of the nine-tails. And in order to better aid him, Mito-sama sealed it inside her own body, becoming the first nine-tails jinchuuriki" This is definetely not a "while Hashirama was supressing the fox and fending off Madara Mito sealed the nine-tails in herself as Hashirama wanted", it's more like a Hashirama got control of the nine tails while he fought Madara. Some time after (could be minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years) Mito decided to seal the beast in herself to be more useful to him as a jinchuuriki. Not saying you can't be right here, just saying "insufficient information".
And, furthermore, why do you assume Hashirama knew Madara would summon the nine-tails that night when it has not been stated that anyone knew of Madara being able to control it?


While something may be one's opinion saying it as if it is fact with the bold letters and repeating it more than two times is in my eyes pushing one's opinion down people's throats. And you see two of his wrong opinions up until now, the third being the "Mangekyou sharingan is always active" claim. We have clearly seen Itachi and Sasuke didn't have it constantly active and after all it drains one's chakra very fast. If it were constantly active the Uchiha would have lost their most powerful clansmen due to chakra overuse lol, just the thought of that is absurd. So if you don't mind these opinions are wrong, that's W-R-O-N-G.
P.S. sorry for double posting

While Minato was not being specific in chapter 440 as to what the "special power" is, a question I have for you is, if the special power is not the Nine-Tailed Fox, then why would Minato seal it into Naruto? Why would he not seal the beast within himself, resulting in the fox's death as well as his own? Like I said, it would rob Madara of one of his most powerful weapons permanently.

The only reason Orochimaru managed to resist Sarutobi's Shiki Fuujin was because of the Kusanagi sword stuck in his back. If not, then Sarutobi definitely would have sealed Orochimaru's soul completely, killing him.

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While the manga does not say whether Mito sealed the Nine-Tails during the fight, it also does not say that the sealing occurred after Hashirama's victory from his battle with Madara. So it could be one or the other. Mito being at the fight and having the fox sealed inside her might be far-fetched, yes, but many things are like that in the Naruto world. So you can't say Mito definitely was not there at the scene of the battle. Remember, I could just as easily say she was, and there will be no evidence to refute my statement. But just the same, I won't have any solid proof to say she was. So it's up for grabs - it is an insufficient amount of information at this point,

Also, whether Hashirama knew Madara would summon the Nine-Tails or not, he had Mokuton techniques prepared to suppress the fox's power. My best guess is that Hashirama was expecting it (who wouldn't know such a dangerous ability of their opponent's?), and at the battle his expectations became realized. By the way, where do I shove my opinion down another's throat, in bold letters to be exact? I've looked at several of my posts again, and I don't find anywhere that I've tried to force someone to accept my point of view in bold font. What exactly are you referring to?

Yes, it is true that the Mangekyou Sharingan cannot remain active all the time in an Uchiha, but since Madara got his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (one that never erodes), his case might just be different. Of course I might be wrong, but it's a theory at this point and I just want to see how it plays out.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

That's the only question that I don't have a solid answer to. Hashirama would make sure to check if Madara was dead, so there would be no real way for Madara to play dead as Hashirama leaves the scene. If Madara did indeed use Izanagi, you have to consider the consequences as well. An eye loses vision permanently, and considering Madara's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, I don't know whether he would make such a large sacrifice. But I suppose that in choosing between life and doujutsu, he took life. So if Madara did indeed use Izanagi, then the collective power of the tailed beasts will go towards strengthening his eyes, so that he may resurrect the Jubi and become its host - and then project his eyes onto the moon, Mugen Tsukuyomi. The infamous Moon's Eye Plan.

That's the only thing so far we are completely unsure we know Madara is only using one eye(left or right?) so that means most probably he used Izanagi to save his life and in the process Hashirama thought that he died that's the most likely situation. But what if somehow Madara was able to act he died or whatever just like you said sacrificing all his techs just for his eye techs but the thing if so how did he do it

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

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These are what I was looking for....
What if Sasuke got some of the 9 tails inside of him? i.e. sora?

Dude its been way too long and if some of the nine tails was inside Sasuke by now we should have seen it I mean we have seen Sasuke get emotional so many times but nothing happened but when Naruto got emotional in a fight the Kyuubi chakra starts to leak so I don't think this theory will be true.

 

[minatoisagod]

The space time jutsus are really starting to intrigue me. i just wonder one thing its always space the ones that are used seem to affect whether it be distance or teleporting. I would love to see one where time is affected like someone is using a tech at some one and they can either slow down or stop time, that would be awesome or am i asking too much.
Any way can some one tell me why the or give me a good theory as to why the elder son eyes were Sharigan instead of the rinnegan.

 

[Itachi Sama]

The space time jutsus are really starting to intrigue me. i just wonder one thing its always space the ones that are used seem to affect whether it be distance or teleporting. I would love to see one where time is affected like someone is using a tech at some one and they can either slow down or stop time, that would be awesome or am i asking too much.
Any way can some one tell me why the or give me a good theory as to why the elder son eyes were Sharigan instead of the rinnegan.

Because those eyes hold more power than the rinnegan...=)

 

[danivass]

While Minato was not being specific in chapter 440 as to what the "special power" is, a question I have for you is, if the special power is not the Nine-Tailed Fox, then why would Minato seal it into Naruto? Why would he not seal the beast within himself, resulting in the fox's death as well as his own? Like I said, it would rob Madara of one of his most powerful weapons permanently.

The only reason Orochimaru managed to resist Sarutobi's Shiki Fuujin was because of the Kusanagi sword stuck in his back. If not, then Sarutobi definitely would have sealed Orochimaru's soul completely, killing him.

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While the manga does not say whether Mito sealed the Nine-Tails during the fight, it also does not say that the sealing occurred after Hashirama's victory from his battle with Madara. So it could be one or the other. Mito being at the fight and having the fox sealed inside her might be far-fetched, yes, but many things are like that in the Naruto world. So you can't say Mito definitely was not there at the scene of the battle. Remember, I could just as easily say she was, and there will be no evidence to refute my statement. But just the same, I won't have any solid proof to say she was. So it's up for grabs - it is an insufficient amount of information at this point,

Also, whether Hashirama knew Madara would summon the Nine-Tails or not, he had Mokuton techniques prepared to suppress the fox's power. My best guess is that Hashirama was expecting it (who wouldn't know such a dangerous ability of their opponent's?), and at the battle his expectations became realized. By the way, where do I shove my opinion down another's throat, in bold letters to be exact? I've looked at several of my posts again, and I don't find anywhere that I've tried to force someone to accept my point of view in bold font. What exactly are you referring to?

Yes, it is true that the Mangekyou Sharingan cannot remain active all the time in an Uchiha, but since Madara got his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (one that never erodes), his case might just be different. Of course I might be wrong, but it's a theory at this point and I just want to see how it plays out.

Here is Orochimaru getting caught in the shiki fuujin.

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And here he is clearly resisting the shiki fuujin enough to make the Kusanagi sword lift up in the air, that is the kind of resistance I meant, what would Minato do if the nine-tails resisted by slamming chakra ball into him? He can't take that chance and must have done something to prevent that.

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And as for Madara's EMS maybe you are right, but there can be a lot of speculation, if Kakashi's transplanted sharingan eye is always active it probably means Madara's will be too. Maybe if his brother's ms was activated when his eyes were plucked out it meant his EMS would be activated permanently.

 

[Scorps]

Here is Orochimaru getting caught in the shiki fuujin.

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And here he is clearly resisting the shiki fuujin enough to make the Kusanagi sword lift up in the air, that is the kind of resistance I meant, what would Minato do if the nine-tails resisted by slamming chakra ball into him? He can't take that chance and must have done something to prevent that.

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And as for Madara's EMS maybe you are right, but there can be a lot of speculation, if Kakashi's transplanted sharingan eye is always active it probably means Madara's will be too. Maybe if his brother's ms was activated when his eyes were plucked out it meant his EMS would be activated permanently.

kushina helped Minato do the sealing. she is in naruto's mind wich means she had to have some part to play in the sealing. thats how he did it

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Because those eyes hold more power than the rinnegan...=)

Itachi Sama you are wrong about this one the most powerful is the Rinnegan then the Sharingan. S06P had the Rinnegan and he was the most powerful ninja ever

 

[OopsWrongHole]

Itachi Sama you are wrong about this one the most powerful is the Rinnegan then the Sharingan. S06P had the Rinnegan and he was the most powerful ninja ever

And the Rinnegan was said to be able to do any eye technique! xd

 

[danivass]

And the Rinnegan was said to be able to do any eye technique! xd

And just where was that said?