[Predictions] Naruto Manga 502 Discussion and 503 Predictions

[Mr.Zero]

we need a new word to describe this chapter O.O:flaw::no_ignore:

 

[Hipster Madara]

Then the question is, when did Hashirama die? He was said to have been killed in war, but do you think the person that might have done him in during the war was Madara, keeping his identity hidden? That would be a twist of events, now wouldn't it? Hashirama wins the battle, but Madara wins the war between the two.

Mito Uzumaki lived well beyond the First Hokage's lifetime, but then again, Mito most likely gave birth while Hashirama was still alive, so you are correct in saying that it would have been impossible for Madara to take the Nine-Tailed Fox, as Hashirama would have known it was him. Madara, as you said, most likely had to lay low a while with Akatsuki, hiding himself in its shadow. And in due time the organization would expand to the point as we know it now.

That would make madara look less like a loser because so far he has lost all his attempts for revenge. i too doubt she had the children when he wasn't alive. idk if this is right but i thought tsunade met her grandfather but idk she might have just been talking about them.

anyways why doesn't tsunade call the second hokage great uncle she just calls him the second

 

[silenceofthelambs]

How the hell do you expect to kill someone like madara/tobi/mask man? Someone who can make his body transparent. Minato was only able to make a hit on madara/tobi/mask man because he went on the offensive. Now if madara chooses to retreat and not attack anymore then there would be no way to kill him because there won't be a way to get him to solidify himself again.

It's better to take care of the nine tail demon than trying to kill someone who can't be killed if he doesn't go on the offensive.

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So according to your logic, how is Naruto supposed to defeat Madara? The reason he is such a tough opponent is because of his space-time ninjutsu; just because he has this technique, does that mean nobody should fight Madara, because he has the ability to make his permeable? It is an ability, like all others, and opponents just have to deal with it.

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They must catch Madara in a moment where he makes his body solid so they can land a hit on him. That is how you defeat Madara; unfortunately, it's quite difficult to have him solidify his body. But it has been done.

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You say it's better to take care of the Nine-Tailed Fox than to fight someone who has the ability to make his body intangible. Apparently Minato thinks the other way.

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While the Nine-Tailed Fox might be the problem at the moment, Madara is the root of the problem. Now tell me, which one is better to take care of? Even if Madara does not go on the offensive at all during a battle, fact remains he must be stopped, or he will continue doing what he is doing without any interference from anyone else.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Anyone who has the ability to awaken susanoo, they would need to be able to have control of their double mangekyou in order to use it.

"awaken" and "use" are different.

first you will need to have the ability in order to use. Sasuke awakened/has this eye ability and he has double mangekyou so he can use it.

Yes, but fact still remains that these are the abilities the Mangekyou Sharingan offers - in order to use them, they must be awakened. But just because someone does not use, for example, Susanoo does not mean the ability isn't there. It is, but it just hasn't been accessed.

 

[yondaimeminato]

So according to your logic, how is Naruto supposed to defeat Madara? The reason he is such a tough opponent is because of his space-time ninjutsu; just because he has this technique, does that mean nobody should fight Madara, because he has the ability to make his permeable? It is an ability, like all others, and opponents just have to deal with it.

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They must catch Madara in a moment where he makes his body solid so they can land a hit on him. That is how you defeat Madara; unfortunately, it's quite difficult to have him solidify his body. But it has been done.

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You say it's better to take care of the Nine-Tailed Fox than to fight someone who has the ability to make his body intangible. Apparently Minato thinks the other way.

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While the Nine-Tailed Fox might be the problem at the moment, Madara is the root of the problem. Now tell me, which one is better to take care of? Even if Madara does not go on the offensive at all during a battle, fact remains he must be stopped, or he will continue doing what he is doing without any interference from anyone else.

Madara only got hit in those links because he went on the offensive. If madara chooses not to go on the offensive but defensive, it would be impossible to kill him. If madara feels like he is going to lose, he is going to go in defensive mode and teleport away or make his body intangible. This only happens when the opponent has accepted defeat. He will go on the defensive so that the person losing doesn't die. No one likes to be killed, certainly madara would try everything he can to remain alive. The fact that he is still alive proves this. He will use the powers he has and when this happens it would be impossible to kill him.

Obviously naruto will acquire a power that will be able to kill madara. Kishi will come up with something.

 

[yondaimeminato]

Yes, but fact still remains that these are the abilities the Mangekyou Sharingan offers - in order to use them, they must be awakened. But just because someone does not use, for example, Susanoo does not mean the ability isn't there. It is, but it just hasn't been accessed.

you will only see madara using those powers when/if he transfers to sasuke's body.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

the fact that minato sealed the nine tail demon into naruto suggest that he was able to suppress the nine tail demon. Do you think the nine tail demon fox would just say, here come seal me into your son. First minato would have to find a way to suppress the nine tail demon before he could be able to use his death reaper jutsu

why do you think madara/tobi/mask man doesn't want minato close to the nine tail demon fox. Madara/tobi/mask man forced minato to use his FGT and right now he is keeping him busy with him


you say that madara has his susanoo, amatersu, making himself transparent, teleporting etc etc. This is by far the best thing one could have, why still lose? even without the nine tail demon fox, he still had advantage over the first hokage.

The fact that Minato sealed the Nine-Tailed Fox into Naruto suggests nothing other than the fact that Minato gave this power to his son in hopes that he would be able to use it to defeat Madara.

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Kushina only says she taught Minato several sealing techniques, but she doesn't specify which. Therefore you can't make the assumption that Kushina taught Minato a sealing technique designed to suppress the fox. As long as Minato has the Shinigami working his will, then it doesn't matter if the Nine-Tails is bound up or not; the Shinigami takes care of everything, and he, as you know, controls death.

Yes, Madara is keeping Minato busy by fighting with him, but at some point Minato decided to rush to the village's help instead of continuing his fight with Madara. Why would he do so? Perhaps, as a Hokage's duty to sacrifice himself for the village, but defeating Madara might also have been part of his "duty" as Hokage, don't you think?

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Minato said he would have to have faith in Sarutobi to take care of the village, while he stopped Madara. Well, if he really were following this plan, why would he go back? Almost everybody here says "Minato is stronger than Madara;" well, why didn't Minato finish him off then? It's not an excuse to say Madara is always permeable, and you can never land an attack on him. Fu and Torune already proved you can.

And Hashirama, being part of the most powerful clan in the Naruto world, had powers that have yet to be revealed in the manga. Yes, Madara did have all these techniques, but I think that Hashirama (who, according to Madara, bears some similarity to Naruto) had his own powerful techniques (like Mokuton) to fight Madara. Remember though, Hashirama did have assistance from the outside (Mito Uzumaki), and this might have been the reason he won the battle. By being able to seal the fox into someone, it completely removed the Nine-Tails from the whole fight; but if it were to remain, Madara would be the victor.

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Have you noticed, that for each attempt Madara has made for revenge, the person or place Madara wants it on has always been getting outside assistance? With Madara's battle with Hashirama, Mito Uzumaki was ready to have the fox sealed inside her, and with the Nine-Tails' attack on Konoha, the entire village came to Minato's aid. Not that I blame them, but if it were Madara and the Nine-Tailed Fox against Minato, Minato would be crushed in a matter of minutes. Minato had another Hokage coming to his aid when the Nine-Tails was unleashed on Konoha; but what if Sarutobi wasn't there? Our understanding of the story would be much different from what it is now.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Madara only got hit in those links because he went on the offensive. If madara chooses not to go on the offensive but defensive, it would be impossible to kill him. If madara feels like he is going to lose, he is going to go in defensive mode and teleport away or make his body intangible. This only happens when the opponent has accepted defeat. He will go on the defensive so that the person losing doesn't die. No one likes to be killed, certainly madara would try everything he can to remain alive. The fact that he is still alive proves this. He will use the powers he has and when this happens it would be impossible to kill him.

Obviously naruto will acquire a power that will be able to kill madara. Kishi will come up with something.

Yes, Madara got hit when he went on the offensive, so somehow Naruto or Sasuke are going to have to find a way to make him do this. It would be impossible to kill him if he always remains permeable, so the jutsu Kishimoto creates to have Naruto put an end to him will be interesting.

But I wonder how anyone is going to face Madara with the power of the seven tailed beasts he has gathered. It seems that Naruto is going to have to become the world's top seal master to drain these beasts' power away from them and seal their empty bodies into some unspecified location.

And Madara has confidence in them as well -

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. However the ninja world is going to deal with these chakra monters, will definitely be exciting to see.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

you will only see madara using those powers when/if he transfers to sasuke's body.

Transfers to Sasuke's body? How is he going to do that? Madara cannot use the Living Corpse Reincarnation jutsu like Orochimaru can. There is no way he is going to transfer himself inside Sasuke's body; your post made no sense.

 

[yondaimeminato]

The fact that Minato sealed the Nine-Tailed Fox into Naruto suggests nothing other than the fact that Minato gave this power to his son in hopes that he would be able to use it to defeat Madara.

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Kushina only says she taught Minato several sealing techniques, but she doesn't specify which. Therefore you can't make the assumption that Kushina taught Minato a sealing technique designed to suppress the fox. As long as Minato has the Shinigami working his will, then it doesn't matter if the Nine-Tails is bound up or not; the Shinigami takes care of everything, and he, as you know, controls death.

Yes, Madara is keeping Minato busy by fighting with him, but at some point Minato decided to rush to the village's help instead of continuing his fight with Madara. Why would he do so? Perhaps, as a Hokage's duty to sacrifice himself for the village, but defeating Madara might also have been part of his "duty" as Hokage, don't you think?

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Minato said he would have to have faith in Sarutobi to take care of the village, while he stopped Madara. Well, if he really were following this plan, why would he go back? Almost everybody here says "Minato is stronger than Madara;" well, why didn't Minato finish him off then? It's not an excuse to say Madara is always permeable, and you can never land an attack on him. Fu and Torune already proved you can.

And Hashirama, being part of the most powerful clan in the Naruto world, had powers that have yet to be revealed in the manga. Yes, Madara did have all these techniques, but I think that Hashirama (who, according to Madara, bears some similarity to Naruto) had his own powerful techniques (like Mokuton) to fight Madara. Remember though, Hashirama did have assistance from the outside (Mito Uzumaki), and this might have been the reason he won the battle. By being able to seal the fox into someone, it completely removed the Nine-Tails from the whole fight; but if it were to remain, Madara would be the victor.

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Have you noticed, that for each attempt Madara has made for revenge, the person or place Madara wants it on has always been getting outside assistance? With Madara's battle with Hashirama, Mito Uzumaki was ready to have the fox sealed inside her, and with the Nine-Tails' attack on Konoha, the entire village came to Minato's aid. Not that I blame them, but if it were Madara and the Nine-Tailed Fox against Minato, Minato would be crushed in a matter of minutes. Minato had another Hokage coming to his aid when the Nine-Tails was unleashed on Konoha; but what if Sarutobi wasn't there? Our understanding of the story would be much different from what it is now.

Minato didn't specify that with that power will be able to defeat madara. He just said that he believe that one day naruto would be able to use it. This is all. What process did minato make to seal the nine tail demon fox into naruto? First, the nine tail demon fox will have to be suppressed for minato to use death reaper jutsu on the nine tail demon fox. I don't think it will an easy process for minato to seal half of the nine tail demon fox chakra into naruto and sealing some of her mother's chakra into naruto too.

Just like you assume that minato would be defeated in seconds if he were to battle both the nine tail demon fox and madara, I assume that minato knew a suppressing seal base on the fact that minato was successful on sealing the nine tail demon fox into naruto.

This is madara's fault. Madara has complete control over the nine tail demon fox, why doesn't he call it to aid him against minato. He can easily call the nine tail demon fox and like you said it wouldn't take him a lot of time to defeat minato if he was fighting madara and the nine tail demon fox at the same time. Madara would just carry on with his plans after defeating minato.

why is this so hard to admit. When I see madara using susanoo, amatersu, teleporting jutsu, making his body transparent in the battle against the first then I will believe you that he did in fact had all this powers.

You are making madara look like an invisible opponent and he would have been if he were to have all these powers in his arsenal against the first. Nine tail demon fox, susanoo, amatersu, genjutsu, EMS, making his body transparent, teleporting etc etc. It's only your assumption that he had these powers when he fought the first but I say it's not the case

 

[yondaimeminato]

Transfers to Sasuke's body? How is he going to do that? Madara cannot use the Living Corpse Reincarnation jutsu like Orochimaru can. There is no way he is going to transfer himself inside Sasuke's body; your post made no sense.

I don't care how he does it, that's the only way he is going to be able to use susanoo and Amaterasu for me or stealing away sasuke's EMS.

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^ those guys who are following madara's every footstep, don't have anything on him saying that madara has susanoo or amaterasu at this moment or whether he was able to use teleportation jutsu and making his body transparent when he fought the first.

why should I believe your words?

 

[Dark_Sakura1201]

this weeks manga was awsome finding out what everyone new all along but aww poor baby naruto i bet his life would have been cooler if he had his parents there.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Minato didn't specify that with that power will be able to defeat madara. He just said that he believe that one day naruto would be able to use it. This is all. What process did minato make to seal the nine tail demon fox into naruto? First, the nine tail demon fox will have to be suppressed for minato to use death reaper jutsu on the nine tail demon fox. I don't think it will an easy process for minato to seal half of the nine tail demon fox chakra into naruto and sealing some of her mother's chakra into naruto too.

Just like you assume that minato would be defeated in seconds if he were to battle both the nine tail demon fox and madara, I assume that minato knew a suppressing seal base on the fact that minato was successful on sealing the nine tail demon fox into naruto.

This is madara's fault. Madara has complete control over the nine tail demon fox, why doesn't he call it to aid him against minato. He can easily call the nine tail demon fox and like you said it wouldn't take him a lot of time to defeat minato if he was fighting madara and the nine tail demon fox at the same time. Madara would just carry on with his plans after defeating minato.

why is this so hard to admit. When I see madara using susanoo, amatersu, teleporting jutsu, making his body transparent in the battle against the first then I will believe you that he did in fact had all this powers.

You are making madara look like an invisible opponent and he would have been if he were to have all these powers in his arsenal against the first. Nine tail demon fox, susanoo, amatersu, genjutsu, EMS, making his body transparent, teleporting etc etc. It's only your assumption that he had these powers when he fought the first but I say it's not the case

If the special power Minato was referring to was not the Nine-Tailed Fox, then why would he seal it into Naruto, making his childhood one of loneliness and misery?

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Minato believed Naruto could use the Nine-Tails' power, and that was why he sealed it in him. While he wasn't being specific, Minato most likely meant by having a "special power," one such of the tailed beasts. Kishimoto is trying to fool us when the answer is in front of our eyes - in the manga, many have called Naruto's enormous chakra reserves extremely special, and this is a result of having the Nine-Tailed Fox sealed within him.

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The Nine-Tailed Fox does not have to be suppressed in order for it to be sealed inside a host. I told you, as long as the Shinigami works your will, everything goes as planned. Even the Nine-Tails is no match for the death god.

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And yes, I do assume that Minato will be defeated shortly fighting Madara and the Nine-Tails because he does not have Mokuton techniques. Without those, he can't suppress the fox, meaning he can't do anything against the beast at all.

Also, Madara does not have complete control of the Nine-Tailed Fox, not in his weakened state. He summoned it to destroy Konoha, and decided to fight Minato as well to keep from helping the village. Madara would rather use whatever time of control he has on the fox to destroy Konoha instead of using it on Minato.

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Minato says that Madara, using the Summoning Technique on the Nine-Tails, probably can't keep the Nine-Tailed Fox under his control for long, so that's why he wants it to destroy Konoha as quickly as possible.

Since Madara awakened his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, he did have the techniques you mentioned above, because as I said, every Uchiha with a Mangekyou will. And since you don't think that Madara had all these powers when fighting the First Hokage, let me make the same point towards your argument: when I see Minato using a sealing technique to suppress the fox, then I will believe you.

Although Madara most likely had all these powers (nothing in the manga states he didn't), Hashirama, like I said, had his own techniques that were effective counters for all the abilities Madara held. Being a member of the Senju clan, he undoubtedly did have his own arsenal of extraordinary techniques, like Madara did.

It's only your assumption that Minato used some sort of technique to suppress the fox, but I can just as easily say that's not the case. Think about it: since Minato does not have Mokuton, and were to fight Madara and the Nine-Tailed Fox at the same time, what would be the outcome, since Minato has no techniques ready to stop the fox in its tracks? Yes, he might have the Shiki Fuujin, but if he uses it on the fox, he will die before even being able to fight Madara himself.

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Even Pain, perhaps one of the most powerful ninja in the entire series, respects the Nine-Tails' power as "amazing." How do you think Minato would hold against the same power? Minato just relied on Sarutobi to take care of Konoha will he would attempt to defeat Madara. All Minato really could do in front of the fox was seal it into Naruto, hoping he would defeat Madara with this power given to him.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

I don't care how he does it, that's the only way he is going to be able to use susanoo and Amaterasu for me or stealing away sasuke's EMS.

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^ those guys who are following madara's every footstep, don't have anything on him saying that madara has susanoo or amaterasu at this moment or whether he was able to use teleportation jutsu and making his body transparent when he fought the first.

why should I believe your words?

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. "[Susanoo] is the third ability granted by the Mangekyou Sharingan, after Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi have been awakened." Is this good enough for you?

 

[donnic]

i wonder if madara could be killed with naruto's wind style rasengan or hell maybe he will create a multi element rasengan by let other put their natural charka in it like kakashi's lighting or fire charka and help add it to the rasengan like naruto clone think of the damage THAT would do 0_0

 

[silenceofthelambs]

i wonder if madara could be killed with naruto's wind style rasengan or hell maybe he will create a multi element rasengan by let other put their natural charka in it like kakashi's lighting or fire charka and help add it to the rasengan like naruto clone think of the damage THAT would do 0_0

That is indeed a destructive jutsu of Naruto's, but the only problem is, how is Naruto going to force Madara to solidify his body so he can execute the attack? As long as Madara's body remains permeable, no physical attacks will work on him. Naruto will need a considerable amount of speed (most likely, greater than Minato) to land any sort of blow on Madara, but even then this seems dubious. It's going to be interesting to see what strategy Naruto will use to get around Madara's space-time ninjutsu, which is on a level greater than that of the Second and Fourth Hokage.

 

[donnic]

you will only see madara using those powers when/if he transfers to sasuke's body.

you know i thought about that madara was useing sasuke to get him stronger and full of hate and since madara seems as he put it "a shell of my former self" he may need sasuke eyes and or body to restore himself after all madara hate the uchiha clan for "betraying" him and sasuke the last member also he may need the body so he can store the 10 tails within himself because i have a feeling since naruto's mom and her special charka didnt die after having the fox pulled out naruto may have the same thing going on or because he only took half the foxes power away madara may only need or is only able to get the other half thing thus being able to put the 10 tails into the story. not really sure how the hell they would defeat madara with the 10 tails unless they figure out how to remove and or seal it within someone else or destroy from the world.

 

[yondaimeminato]

If the special power Minato was referring to was not the Nine-Tailed Fox, then why would he seal it into Naruto, making his childhood one of loneliness and misery?

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Minato believed Naruto could use the Nine-Tails' power, and that was why he sealed it in him. While he wasn't being specific, Minato most likely meant by having a "special power," one such of the tailed beasts. Kishimoto is trying to fool us when the answer is in front of our eyes - in the manga, many have called Naruto's enormous chakra reserves extremely special, and this is a result of having the Nine-Tailed Fox sealed within him.

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The Nine-Tailed Fox does not have to be suppressed in order for it to be sealed inside a host. I told you, as long as the Shinigami works your will, everything goes as planned. Even the Nine-Tails is no match for the death god.

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And yes, I do assume that Minato will be defeated shortly fighting Madara and the Nine-Tails because he does not have Mokuton techniques. Without those, he can't suppress the fox, meaning he can't do anything against the beast at all.

Also, Madara does not have complete control of the Nine-Tailed Fox, not in his weakened state. He summoned it to destroy Konoha, and decided to fight Minato as well to keep from helping the village. Madara would rather use whatever time of control he has on the fox to destroy Konoha instead of using it on Minato.

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Minato says that Madara, using the Summoning Technique on the Nine-Tails, probably can't keep the Nine-Tailed Fox under his control for long, so that's why he wants it to destroy Konoha as quickly as possible.

Since Madara awakened his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, he did have the techniques you mentioned above, because as I said, every Uchiha with a Mangekyou will. And since you don't think that Madara had all these powers when fighting the First Hokage, let me make the same point towards your argument: when I see Minato using a sealing technique to suppress the fox, then I will believe you.

Although Madara most likely had all these powers (nothing in the manga states he didn't), Hashirama, like I said, had his own techniques that were effective counters for all the abilities Madara held. Being a member of the Senju clan, he undoubtedly did have his own arsenal of extraordinary techniques, like Madara did.

It's only your assumption that Minato used some sort of technique to suppress the fox, but I can just as easily say that's not the case. Think about it: since Minato does not have Mokuton, and were to fight Madara and the Nine-Tailed Fox at the same time, what would be the outcome, since Minato has no techniques ready to stop the fox in its tracks? Yes, he might have the Shiki Fuujin, but if he uses it on the fox, he will die before even being able to fight Madara himself.

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Even Pain, perhaps one of the most powerful ninja in the entire series, respects the Nine-Tails' power as "amazing." How do you think Minato would hold against the same power? Minato just relied on Sarutobi to take care of Konoha will he would attempt to defeat Madara. All Minato really could do in front of the fox was seal it into Naruto, hoping he would defeat Madara with this power given to him.

Simply because madara won't have a pet to destroy anything anymore. Madara waited a long time just so he can get the power of the nine tail demon fox again.

This is why minato sealed the nine tail demon fox into naruto and also because naruto's grandmother and mother were host of the nine tail demon fox. Who better than naruto to be the perfect host of the nine tail demon fox. With this minato was able to still maintain the power of the nine tail demon fox in konoha's possession. Every big nation had one, it would be dangerous if konoha lost the most powerful tailed demon.

Do you honestly think that naruto can defeat madara even if naruto has now control of the nine tail demon fox? Naruto needs something more special than this in order to defeat madara. This is why minato just said that he hoped he would use the power of the nine tail demon fox.

I told you, as long as the Shinigami works your will, everything goes as planned. Even the Nine-Tails is no match for the death god

what makes you think this?

my assumption to whether minato was able to use a suppressing seal against the nine tail demon fox will come soon. I am not trying to make you believe my assumption but you are trying to say that my assumption has no way to be right which it's wrong.

Tell me, when will your assumption be proven right or wrong?

everyone respects the power of the nine tail demon fox which makes it even harder for minato to seal it into his son

You said that madara + nine tail demon fox would take him seconds to defeat minato. Now you are saying that it would take him time to defeat minato even with the nine tail demon fox aiding him.

which one do you want me to believe you?

 

[yondaimeminato]

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. "[Susanoo] is the third ability granted by the Mangekyou Sharingan, after Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi have been awakened." Is this good enough for you?

nope, I don't see anywhere saying that madara was one of the people to have this power. Only sasuke and itachi so far until then it's only your assumption that madara has susanoo and amaterasu.

 

[minatoisagod]

Simply for this reason -

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. Itachi says that "soon [Madara] was praised as the strongest Shinobi in the world." Having a title like that means quite a lot, don't you think? As, back then, "the strongest Shinobi," I think Madara would defeat Minato quite easily. Minato's main asset is speed, but since Madara controls and tames the Nine-Tailed Fox "like a pet," the only thing Minato would be able to do is hope to run away. And after a time, he would just be defeated. The object of a fight is to land an attack against an opponent, and while Minato continues to run using his Flying Thunder God technique, he would always be on the defensive. That's my assessment of the situation. How about yours?

and the situation you made did it happen nope. If he was the strongest ninja he wouldn't have his pet taken away so easily a got his ass kicked and now wants to depend on the power of another tailed beast to even fight again yea real impressive.