eyesofthekyuubi44
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That's pretty much what I said. But what I meant with "special" is a technique that nobody else can use due to it being Bijuu, special chakra (cursed seal type thing), or a Kekkai Genkai.
[Predictions] Naruto Manga 502 Discussion and 503 Predictions
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Go Minato :T_T:
Nice chapter, finally after 501 manga's and thousands of panels we know how that battle went. I mean it was pretty much the first panel of the series and now they explain it in detail xd
Go Minato :T_T:
Nice chapter, finally after 501 manga's and thousands of panels we know how that battle went. I mean it was pretty much the first panel of the series and now they explain it in detail xd
minatoisagod
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When will this debate end people my God if you have your opinion whose the strongest hokage ninja or whatever stick to it cause u can't convince anyone with a different opinion whether with facts from the manga data book or from Kishi himself everyone has their own opinion on the strongest no sense cursing but thats what makes this discussion board so fun i guess.
Well Minato's epicness is too much i wonder if he has more levels for FTG i also hope we see some elemental jutsus from him next chapter. Oh who said that the 2nd is now becoming epic i so agree, part 2 is making him and the 1st look more epic than the third now and the fourth wow. I don't see why people think that the Uchiha were more feared than Seju cause the brothers of destruction (1st and 2nd) are now just too epic. We need more on their relationship. Also i don't think the battle is over yet he's just probably injured a little and will come back but the 4th will prevail then die.
Some tell me why did Kishi kill such a epic character like minato at the start of the manga he's so ****ing epic
Well Minato's epicness is too much i wonder if he has more levels for FTG i also hope we see some elemental jutsus from him next chapter. Oh who said that the 2nd is now becoming epic i so agree, part 2 is making him and the 1st look more epic than the third now and the fourth wow. I don't see why people think that the Uchiha were more feared than Seju cause the brothers of destruction (1st and 2nd) are now just too epic. We need more on their relationship. Also i don't think the battle is over yet he's just probably injured a little and will come back but the 4th will prevail then die.
Some tell me why did Kishi kill such a epic character like minato at the start of the manga he's so ****ing epic
silenceofthelambs
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Even though Pain's destruction of Konoha was not a direct attack from Madara, it still was an attack, however indirectly. Itachi did not stand in Madara's way to make war against any nation - he only joined Akatsuki to make sure that Madara make no attempt to invade Konoha.
And no, I don't think Minato had the ability to tell the future, but even still, what I'm saying is that despite losing the Nine-Tails, Madara still continued with his plans, Minato or not. Have you considered that aside from destroying Konoha, Madara perhaps also unleashed the Nine-Tails to get Minato out of the way, to make his plans go more smoothly? It is exactly why Minato had a duty to protect the village that Madara might have unleashed the fox upon Konoha. After all, Madara has wanted the Kages taken hostage before, and for the same reason - to allow his plans to proceed uninterrupted.
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And how do you know that not killing the Uchiha clan would have been the better alternative for Madara? Madara wants them all dead to push his own agenda forward, and also perhaps to keep his identity hidden.
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Madara wanted to eliminate the Uchiha because they betrayed him all those years back when he chose to oppose the truce given by the Senju clan. He wanted the Uchiha clan framed for the attack so he could continue on with his current plans.
And yes, I don't know for certain if the jutsu that Naruto is supposed to complete is not the Flying Thunder God technique, but then again, how do you know it is? "That" jutsu could be the Shiki Fuujin, for all we know. Right now there are several possibilities, but no one knows for sure. But that's why we theorize.
Silenceofthelambs i can see you don't like/hate Minato lol .
I actually love this guy ! Man he has that class , that elegance that not everyone has !
And with his awesome speed : WOW ^^
But we have to say that we don't know or we haven't seen all the hokages in battle ( at their peak ) so we can't say who is the strongest !
I personally like them all , they are all different type of ninjas i think , they have their kind of jutsu etc ...
I loved this episode 5/5
I actually love this guy ! Man he has that class , that elegance that not everyone has !
And with his awesome speed : WOW ^^
But we have to say that we don't know or we haven't seen all the hokages in battle ( at their peak ) so we can't say who is the strongest !
I personally like them all , they are all different type of ninjas i think , they have their kind of jutsu etc ...
I loved this episode 5/5
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I was talking about Minato when I mentioned the helpless expression, not Madara.
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My question is, since Minato says Madara saw through everything he did, wouldn't he be lying, according to what chapter 502 has given us? Like I said, if Madara were really not prepared for that Rasengan, then Minato should give himself some credit for being able to land an attack on one of the most powerful ninja to exist. Don't you think so as well?
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Coupled with what Naruto says in chapter 455, it only leads me to believe that Minato's attack is going to end up with Madara emerging unharmed. If this is not the case, then why would Minato lower his actions to a point that is not even true? If you managed to accomplish a major feat, you'd want to tell people about it, wouldn't you? There is going to be more to this fight, and I think chapter 503 will introduce Madara's own attack with Minato letting his guard down for a slight moment, giving Madara the window of oppurtunity he needs.
LOL man you are taking small things like this ? Seriously ? COME ON !
The anbu are just saying that they are the strongest ninjas , not comparing with the other kages !
And you MIGHT know that Jiraiya and tsunadai both said that minato was genius seen once in a generation . And they said that he was the strongest of the kages !:flaw:
minatoisagod
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to tell you the truth i also thought the same thing but then i remembered that its unlikely causes that would mean that the Uchiha's are the same cause they can copy jutsu except kk so all of them might know too which is unlikely. And we don't know if the 2nd's level of space/time jutsu is the same as the fourth so i doubt it
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When did I say I dislike him? It's just that, many times, his status is hyped up to these absurd levels that are unnecessary. I mean, he is not the strongest Shinobi in history, nor is he the strongest Hokage. The manga has told us that the first three Hokages are among the strongest, while no one in the manga has stated that Minato is the most powerful of the Hokages. Had he lived longer, he would have been able to come close to these titles, but fact remains he didn't. However, he is an incredible ninja, with great physical speed that many cannot match.Silenceofthelambs i can see you don't like/hate Minato lol .
I actually love this guy ! Man he has that class , that elegance that not everyone has !
And with his awesome speed : WOW ^^
But we have to say that we don't know or we haven't seen all the hokages in battle ( at their peak ) so we can't say who is the strongest !
I personally like them all , they are all different type of ninjas i think , they have their kind of jutsu etc ...
I loved this episode 5/5
Everyone has the right to carry preference for a certain character, and I suppose Minato is not that person. Still, it doesn't change my opinion of him - he is without a doubt a powerful ninja, who has high intelligence, with a certain aura that not many have. And his speed only adds on to that.
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The ANBU said that "they are hailed as being the best Shinobi;" taking this as fact, does it not mean that they are more powerful than all other ninja, including the Fourth Hokage?
And Jiraiya and Tsunade never said that Minato was the strongest of the Hokages.
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They only said that "[Minato] had the talent to become [a] top-rated ninja," not that he was the most powerful ninja in history. Many ninja in history have become "top-rated" figures, so I suppose that achieving this title can be done by many. Jiraiya said that Minato had the potential to become one of the best, but not the very best. Whereas the ANBU stated that the First and Second Hokages were the best Shinobi, presumably in the world.
Hashirama and Tobirama Senju did become the best ninja to walk the planet, while Minato could have come near this claim. It is stronger evidence when an action is done, not when it could, should or might be performed.
It's not there but it was a bit later when jiraiya was leaving to visit Nagato
Jman and tsunade talked about naruto , kushina and minato ! myabe i'll find the link i'll send it to you. You can't say that are the strongest ninas to walk on the planet . HAVE you seen them in battle ? Have you ? NO , so you can't say that and we haven't seen being pushed to the limits to see his actual power .
Last thing : he could have defeated the kyuubi in 2 seconds had he transported his big blast on itself , but he didn't cause he would have destroyed the village if he had. AND that , that isn't an easy thing to do my friend !
silenceofthelambs
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I didn't say that. The ANBU did - I'm just going off the statements he made. And I found the link you meant; it still doesn't state that Minato was the strongest Hokage.It's not there but it was a bit later when jiraiya was leaving to visit Nagato
You can't say that are the strongest ninas to walk on the planet . HAVE you seen them in battle ? Have you ? NO , so you can't say that and we haven't seen being pushed to the limits to see his actual power .
Last thing : he could have defeated the kyuubi in 2 seconds had he transported his big blast on itself , but he didn't cause he would have destroyed the village if he had. AND that , that isn't an easy thing to do my friend !
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Jiraiya says "Minato had the sort of talent you only find once in a decade. We haven't had another genius like him since...he became the Fourth in the blink of an eye." Where does it say here Minato was the most powerful Hokage? Nowhere.
As I said, no one in the manga has said that Minato was strongest out of all the Hokages - Iruka said that the Third was the strongest, while that ANBU in chapter 118 says that the First and Second Hokages were the best ninja ever - and if they were, making them the strongest Hokages as well.
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still the manga does contradict itself like the bible. I mean he's hailed has the best ninja the village produced the seju brothers may not have been raised in the village but they are apart of its history as the strongest ninja and saying minato is the greatest says he's is the greatest. But hey greatest can be interpreted differently so who knows and that was the anbu's opion whose the strongest not everyone else if the Feudal lord said minato was the strongest in village's history it has the same merit has them so don't take up too much of characters statements.
When kakashi says that naruto is the only one who can surpass minato , he is saying that minato is the strongest ninja he knows about . what do you think ?
And when jiraiya , tsunade , kakashi talk about the 4th we have a feeling that they consider him as the strongest ninja
silenceofthelambs
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True, but if the manga begins to contradict itself too many times, the entire story becomes disheveled. So it's important that statements characters make not come into conflict with ones others make as well. I don't know, but based on the evidence I've seen so far, it just doesn't sound like people consider Minato as the strongest Hokage of Konohakagure.
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perhaps sasukes parents were evil, and itachi knew that!
maybe they were working in starting a war against the leaf long before the massacre!
maybe they were working in starting a war against the leaf long before the massacre!
silenceofthelambs
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Naruto might be the only living person that can surpass Minato now, and all the other Hokage for that matter. Minato did have great talent, but his early death prevented him from reaching the heights he might have ascended to in later years. Thus, the only thing that is left of him is an enormous, untapped potential - and Naruto will somehow have to continue on that legacy in his lifetime as well. Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Kakashi all regard Minato as one of the best ninja - but as I said, not the best of them all.
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Naruto has already surpassed minato - he only needs to learn flying thunder god in other words space-time ninjutsu to be on equal grounds with his father!
because someone with space-time ninjutsu fighting against someone who is powerful but doesnt have it is kinda unfair and abit like cheating! - and i dont think space-time ninjutsu is that hard to learn!
naruto can learn anything by using his clones! lol. although im curious how he would use his clones to learn ftg! lol, i guess he marks one of his clones and jumps to that space! instead of kunai like his father! lol
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