[Discussion] Those who claim that naruto didnt bring peace in Shinobi world

[AllKnowingShinobi]

The fact is, Writer cant attract the audience without showing some mass scale destruction.

Secondly, Naruto's way is not dead yet. We dont even know the details. The thing i hated the most about sasuke fans is that they always jump to conclusion too early. As you can see that boruto in the manga seems to be in his 20's which means there has been 20 or more years since any major war breakout. Naruto's way proved to be the most successful of all. This, Boruto manga, is not even the work of kishi. So, dont break loose just by seeing the work of his assistant.




Exactly! This ^ is the point which am referring to in my posts.

Ill chose sasuke over naruto any day, would have been better to have sasuke win at VOTE2 and have naruto overcome another douche idea rather than passing it onto the next generation but not everyone can be a sayian with a life span of 200 years old.

 

[Lelouch Vi Britani]

I would answer, but The Necromancer beat me to it.


And before i forget: Your Creepy Stalkers Second Law of Childish Insults:
"When discussing Manga on the internet, whoever resorts to claiming the other person is drunk or high first can be considered to have lost the debate immediately, at the whim of the insulted"'

I feel like getting a third one, can you say i have Autism or am otherwise mentally handicapped next time?

Getting neg rep by the likes of you is alone the proof of I being right all this time.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

What do you consider peace then?

 

[Lelouch Vi Britani]

But that's irrelevant. The reason the writer has for including fighting in his manga doesn't matter when discussing whether the characters succeeded in their goals of peace or not.

Whether Naruto is alive or not is also unimportant. Living or Dead, he still failed to establish peace. (And once again, you're attributing Kakashi's reign as Hokage to Naruto)

By going with your logic, the hero of last shinobi war was tsunade because she was the hokage of konoha at that time. Please stop already with your bullshits.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

I also believe the great toad sage predicted that naruto was the savoir to bring peace. Just saying

 

[Ricardo]

If the village has been completely destroyed, that's another factor proving that Naruto failed to protect it. Plain and simple. Naruto wasn't the one who brought peace to the shinobi world. It was literally all five nations that decided to group up to fight a common enemy. Naruto only extended that "peace" for a temporary amount of time.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

By going with your logic, the hero of last shinobi war was tsunade because she was the hokage of konoha at that time. Please stop already with your bullshits.

Oh look, you take one thing i say, act as if it was an entirely different thing, then debunk that with an ill fitting comparison. Bravo.

No. You claimed that the temporary peace between 699 and Kawaki was Naruto's doing. Which is ignoring the fact that for the majority of the time, Kakashi was still Hokage. Meanwhile, the reason that the peace had begun in the first place (Teaming up against Obito) was entirely without Naruto's input. He didn't begin it, he didn't maintain it. He doesn't get the credit for it.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

If the village has been completely destroyed, that's another factor proving that Naruto failed to protect it. Plain and simple. Naruto wasn't the one who brought peace to the shinobi world. It was literally all five nations that decided to group up to fight a common enemy. Naruto only extended that "peace" for a temporary amount of time.

Tenten stated her weapon store was going out of busy because of the increase in peace , kawaki is one dude we can't say that the other five nations are at war or with him. Kawaki is just a kid with powers same as a God , if anything it's just his will against the the peace between the five nations

 

[Lelouch Vi Britani]

If the village has been completely destroyed, that's another factor proving that Naruto failed to protect it. Plain and simple. Naruto wasn't the one who brought peace to the shinobi world. It was literally all five nations that decided to group up to fight a common enemy. Naruto only extended that "peace" for a temporary amount of time.

Village has been completely destroyed by the assistant of kishi not by kishi himself. So if you are referring to the peace which naruto brought then that was kishi's writing. Dont mix someone's work with kishi's.

Second thing is naruto succeeded in bringing peace. We dont even know the details why kawaki stood up against konoha yet you should not jump to conclusions.

Thirdly, Naruto defeated sasuke and madara so the one whose rule should be implemented in the shinobi world is naruto. So stop complaining and whining over naruto's way.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

So in 100 years when Naruto is dead, people are going to keep the peace because.... their grandparents were best buddies?

No. Naruto is keeping the peace with friendship, and once he is gone, or once those in power no longer honor his friendship, war will begin again.

Isn't it childish to think that there is a thing like permanent peace ?

Permanent peace cannot be obtained.Naruto's method is the best way to prolong peace.Naruto gave the idea how to maintain the peace so everyone can obtain peace by working on naruto's method.

 

[Lelouch Vi Britani]

Oh look, you take one thing i say, act as if it was an entirely different thing, then debunk that with an ill fitting comparison. Bravo.

No. You claimed that the temporary peace between 699 and Kawaki was Naruto's doing. Which is ignoring the fact that for the majority of the time, Kakashi was still Hokage. Meanwhile, the reason that the peace had begun in the first place (Teaming up against Obito) was entirely without Naruto's input. He didn't begin it, he didn't maintain it. He doesn't get the credit for it.

I think i have to end the debate here after reading your this comment. You are just repeating the same thing over and over in every post. And i already countered that with my last post. Toneri tried to destroy the earth and the one who stopped him was naruto not kakashi. The one who regarded as the hero among all the nations is naruto not kakashi. Naruto is the one who lead world to the peace not kakashi. You are just a naruto hater who cant even accept his accomplishments.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Isn't it childish to think that there is a thing like permanent peace ?

Permanent peace cannot be obtained.Naruto's method is the best way to prolong peace.Naruto gave the idea how to maintain the peace so everyone can obtain peace by working on naruto's method.

This guy gets it

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

The fact is, Writer cant attract the audience without showing some mass scale destruction.

Secondly, Naruto's way is not dead yet. We dont even know the details. The thing i hated the most about sasuke fans is that they always jump to conclusion too early. As you can see that boruto in the manga seems to be in his 20's which means there has been 20 or more years since any major war breakout. Naruto's way proved to be the most successful of all. This, Boruto manga, is not even the work of kishi. So, dont break loose just by seeing the work of his assistant.




Exactly! This ^ is the point which am referring to in my posts.

Maybe you're right.plus we also mostly don't put into consideration that the boruto manga is another era, with it's own imperfections.Naruto did bring peace in the era he lived in and understood, anything beyond that is not his fault and is the next gen's responsibility to understand and resolve to maintain peace.that's the whole core of his entrusting approach right?

 

[Yatori]

Eventhough it's temporary but he did bring peace.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Also who cares about the village think about the villagers,no harm no foul right. the village has been destroyed multiply times, and will just get rebuilt in the name of peace so BOO YEA

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I think i have to end the debate here after reading your this comment. You are just repeating the same thing over and over in every post. And i already countered that with my last post. Toneri tried to destroy the earth and the one who stopped him was naruto not kakashi. The one who regarded as the hero among all the nations is naruto not kakashi. Naruto is the one who lead world to the peace not kakashi. You are just a naruto hater who cant even accept his accomplishments.

I know i'm repeating the same thing every time.
You know why i don't stop?

This answered literally nothing I said.

That's why.

I'm not a Naruto hater, i'm an everything hater who actually knows what he's reading.
Saving the world from Toneri is the same as Defeating Obito/Madara/Kaguya. It's great and all, but it doesn't contribute to the peace between villages in any way, since they were already allied against the common threat.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

I know i'm repeating the same thing every time.
You know why i don't stop?



That's why.

I'm not a Naruto hater, i'm an everything hater who actually knows what he's reading.
Saving the world from Toneri is the same as Defeating Obito/Madara/Kaguya. It's great and all, but it doesn't contribute to the peace between villages in any way, since they were already allied against the common threat.

In other words as long as their is an a$$hole to keep the ninja at peace we're good, but what about naruto's era, couldn't you say he went above and beyond and made one off those a$$holes(sasuke) a good guy(or befoe he started some shit to make ninjas hate each other again) literally preventing a future war till the next generation. Naruto probably extended peace the longest than anyone. madara just postponed his war hoping he would have better lucky in a different era.

 

[Lelouch Vi Britani]

Maybe you're right.plus we also mostly don't put into consideration that the boruto manga is another era, with it's own imperfections.Naruto did bring peace in the era he lived in and understood, anything beyond that is not his fault and is the next gen's responsibility to understand and resolve to maintain peace.that's the whole core of his entrusting approach right?

Yes you are right. Nobody is saying that he could bring peace forever beyond 1000 years which is impossible. All i am saying is that naruto way of bringing peace is the best way. The Core of naruto's way of peace is revolving around this:

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[Lelouch Vi Britani]

Maybe you're right.plus we also mostly don't put into consideration that the boruto manga is another era, with it's own imperfections.Naruto did bring peace in the era he lived in and understood, anything beyond that is not his fault and is the next gen's responsibility to understand and resolve to maintain peace.that's the whole core of his entrusting approach right?

Yes you are right. I want to post a scan back your point but unable to do so because of some mod's restriction on new members.

 

[Lelouch Vi Britani]

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