[Discussion] Those who claim that naruto didnt bring peace in Shinobi world

[Clover]

Thank you for using the word hope because when theirs hope theirs peace and hope can be easily lost just like all the villains that naruto faced but when its regained people believe and start to trust one another. only naruto have this ability to give hope. you cant be hokage because you want to be knowledge but because you are knowledge, i think that somewhere in the lines of what itachi said. the kage are just political leaders, naruto is like jesus hes a son of god meant for great things being hokage was just part of the job to equallize his power to the world and to bring peace. the alliance was formed by the agreement of all the kages, 2 out of the five(rikage and the old kage) were planing to **** over the other nations after the war but guess what they didnt know why because of naruto. please make a ban wagon list of vilians that decide that narutos way was the right way because you'll have one hell of a list of crimals. also the sages mistake in the end was entrusting one of his kid all the power, something that itachi did to but was able to correct.

The hope was given to Naruto by the people, who in turn gave it to the people. Ay and Ohnoki were planning on breaking the alliance after the war, but that changed when the Kage's worked together to fight Madara. They made the promise to Naruto that they'd defeat Madara no matter what, but they had given up on casting away the alliance before Naruto even arrived. Naruto had no say in starting the war, no say in the alliance and no say in the peace that arrived afterwards. He helps to maintain it as his role as the current Hokage. The hope however isn't give by Naruto alone. Asura before him, Hagoromo, heck even Sasuke inspire hope. Nagato and Obito were originally like Naruto and that is why they ended up agreeing with him because they went back to who they used to be.

Orochimaru
Madara
Black Zetsu
Kaguya
Momoshiki
Kinshiki
Itachi
Kisame
Deidara
Sasori
Hidan
Kakuzu
Spiral Zetsu

Are just a few that disagreed with Naruto and never altered their view. If anything, it is Naruto who changed his view to agree with Itachi. (When Itachi corrects him on what a Hokage really is.) We have two villains who agree with Naruto and a mass of others that doesn't. You also stated that the mistake Hagoromo did was entrust Asura alone to bring peace. He did however find the solution in the end. To entrust both of them with the mission to find peace, both Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[konoha Sev7n]

the people know if things goes bad there is Naruto to save the world from all threat that doesn't involve them giving up there own life as they are recovering still from the trauma of the 4th Shinobi Wars...

if sasuke go awol there naruto to stand in this way..lol

there still people out there still hunger for power an war.. to make an profit.

Hate still lurking in countless of lives.. friends an foes..

peace is just an there through of having an piece of minds.

 

[Clover]

Wrong the toad foretold that the Child(singular) of the Prophecy would be A student of Jiraiya, jiraiya was wrong the first two time he thought it was nagato, then the fourth hokage, and finally got it right with naruto. nagato was never the child of prophecy.

Yes that group that madara made were rouge ninjas they had no homes thier outcast, their mission was to change the ninja world and guess who came to stop them the shinobi alliance.

Also those few panels are hard to know for such whats going on but what it looks to me is one man trying to create a new type of peace(era/law) and other stopping him because theirs no need just stop being an a$$hole

plain and simple as long their is a ninja alliance(5/5) narutos, the first hokage , dreams aren't died and aren't failures

The Toad stated that Jiraya would have an apprentice that would either save the world or destroy it, in the end he had several. One whom of tried to destroy it and one who tried to save it. He spoke of one that would create great chaos who also possessed special eyes, which could refer to Nagato, Obito, Madara, Kaguya or even Momoshiki. The group that followed the ideals of Madara was one of many, as stated by Naruto and Sai. Madara was an outcast and he created a world war and manipulated the entire world. Their status doesn't change a fact, as a lone shinobi was able to start a war.

The matter to the fact is that people who disagree with Naruto's ideal will always exist. In the end the group was stopped by Naruto. Not the alliance. This is a common trait, and seen with Kawaki. The moment Naruto is gone, or a few years later, his peace will come to an end. As with Hashirama, it is only Naruto who is holding the fragile peace together along with the current Kage. As time go on, that will disappear as with Hashirama's era of peace.

The alliance may break, the moment there is a Kage who disagrees. Hashirama's dream has already been proven wrong once.

 

[HashiraMadara]

He didn't, because the villages were allready teaming up to take on Obito. If Naruto hadn't been there, but the Shinobi Alliance still won, There would still be peace. For the record, most of the technological advancements did happen with Kakashi as Hokage. It's implied that Naruto was still new to the position by Chapter 700.

And as for the Kawaki thing, it's proof that any peace he had was short lived.

And seriously? You can't imagine a Manga series being good without combat? Read Death Note, then commit Seppuku (Or just realise your mistake, i'm not picky)



Oh hello AllKnowingShinobi. And to you, Lelouch Vi Britani. UZUMAKIMADARA as well, it seems.

I remember Gaara changing Onoki. He himself being a victim of Naruto's talk no jutsu
Raikage was talk no jutsud too
Tsunade in part 1 was talk no jutsud
Mizukage went with the flow. The shinobi alliance was formed by the Kages who were victims to naruto's talk no jutsu :|

 

[LBeezy]

Even though new enemies/conflicts arrived in the present Boruto story, you can't take away the fact that Naruto still did achieve peace at one point in time. He was successful.

Plain and simple.

Now this is a new time...

And what a time.. to be alive..

 

[Melanin]

He helped pioneer peace but he wasn't the sole reason the peace was stabilized.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Baby, seems like everywhere I go I see you.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Baby, seems like everywhere I go I see you.

What the f*ck

 

[baul 24]

better not discuss on this in my opinion manga should have ended with Chapter 700 as this manga is named naruto and is about main protagonist naruto and all main villains like obito or madara or nagato they made the point clear that hope is just an illusion as there will always be war as there is a shinobi system which became true automatically makes naruto's point of peace invalid and a pipe dream. well as per your point there will be no manga and fighting don't exist without war and destruction oh please part 1 is way better and it doesn't had any major wars and destruction at a level as in shippuden except orochimaru's attack which is nothing compared to pain or boruto manga's destruction. Come on mate the new manga depicted naruto as a failure as he was not able to protect the leaf village it doesn't matter if you accept or not, this ruined boruto manga for me, same drama same drill some as---le was butthurt and laying ramapage with no reason.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Baby, seems like everywhere I go I see you.

Boy, I try to catch myself
But I'm out of control

 

[Meee]

He didnt. There maybe an alliance now (which naruto had nothing to do with) but that aint stopping Kawaki and it didnt stop Madara or Kaguya. The world is literally the same.

btw the whole Kawaki is attacking cuz da manga needs fights is a lame ass reason.

 

[Clover]

He didnt. There maybe an alliance now (which naruto had nothing to do with) but that aint stopping Kawaki and it didnt stop Madara or Kaguya. The world is literally the same.

btw the whole Kawaki is attacking cuz da manga needs fights is a lame ass reason.

Naruto tried to create peace because the manga needed a plot. Oh wait, that was equally lame.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

did you just added itachi name... debate over you just lost by using the solo kings name in vain sorry but please go reread naruto and take summer classes.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

The Toad stated that Jiraya would have an apprentice that would either save the world or destroy it, in the end he had several. One whom of tried to destroy it and one who tried to save it. He spoke of one that would create great chaos who also possessed special eyes, which could refer to Nagato, Obito, Madara, Kaguya or even Momoshiki. The group that followed the ideals of Madara was one of many, as stated by Naruto and Sai. Madara was an outcast and he created a world war and manipulated the entire world. Their status doesn't change a fact, as a lone shinobi was able to start a war.

The matter to the fact is that people who disagree with Naruto's ideal will always exist. In the end the group was stopped by Naruto. Not the alliance. This is a common trait, and seen with Kawaki. The moment Naruto is gone, or a few years later, his peace will come to an end. As with Hashirama, it is only Naruto who is holding the fragile peace together along with the current Kage. As time go on, that will disappear as with Hashirama's era of peace.

The alliance may break, the moment there is a Kage who disagrees. Hashirama's dream has already been proven wrong once.

Dude the toad stated their was only one student that will either bring peace or destruction not two just one. singular uno person please reread.

 

[The Necromancer]

Isn't it childish to think that there is a thing like permanent peace ?

Permanent peace cannot be obtained.Naruto's method is the best way to prolong peace.Naruto gave the idea how to maintain the peace so everyone can obtain peace by working on naruto's method.

Naruto wanted to bring peace to the world, yet the world had been peaceful for more than 2 decades, so what did he really want to do? Bring infinite peace.

If he considers small mercenary groups like Akatsuki to be breaking the peace, then he truly failed seeing as how The Last, Naruto Gaiden, Boruto the Movie, and the Boruto manga all introduce new enemies that threaten the world in the same way Akatsuki did.

So no matter how you look at it, Naruto failed. There is no such thing as true peace. Sasuke's Obito's, Madara's, and Nagato's goals were as close as it could ever get.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Naruto wanted to bring peace to the world, yet the world had been peaceful for more than 2 decades, so what did he really want to do? Bring infinite peace.

You're again wrong.World was not peaceful for more than 2 decades.Sand village attacked the konoha with orochimaru and killed 3rd hokage.Tsuchikage aided Akatsuki and ordered to destroy/weak other villages.Pain Invaded the konoha,Kumogakure was under attack by akatsuki (Sasuke tried to capture bee),etc.

Naruto's mission was not to bring infinite peace.Naruto introduced the method by which global peace can be achieved even without the distribution of bijuus.

If he considers small mercenary groups like Akatsuki to be breaking the peace, then he truly failed seeing as how The Last, Naruto Gaiden, Boruto the Movie, and the Boruto manga all introduce new enemies that threaten the world in the same way Akatsuki did.

Everything you wrote is false.
Akatsuki was not a small mercenary group.It was the most formidable terrorist organization in NV.

In the last,Toneri came from the moon which was not a naruto's failure.When you say that naruto's method of peace failed then it means naruto's method of peace failed to prevent the rising of hatred and eventually the anti governmental organizations.In the Last's case,Toneri came from the moon and it has nothing to do with naruto's method of peace.Naruto's way of peace didn't give birth to toneri.

In the case of Boruto the movie,Otsutsuki brats came from out of nowhere.They also had nothing to do with naruto's way of peace.

In the boruto manga,Shin was thinking that he is following itachi's footsteps which was false interpretation of itachi's actions so even this has nothing to do with Naruto's method.

You can blame naruto for these threats when the naruto's system is creating the hatred just like Hiruzen's method created birth to uchiha massacre,3rd ninja war (hence nagato and origin of Akatsuki).Hiruzen's method of peace gave birth to Sasuke and orochimaru

Hashirama's way of peace also had flaws i.e. every village was under the constant threat of being attacked by other village's tailed beasts.During the era of hashirama,Tailed beast was used the same way as the nuclear weapons.That was the not the true way of obtaining peace even though it produced good results for the short term.Hashirama's method gave birth to madara hence it gave birth to obito and other stuff.

Minato and Tobirama's methods were also false as it was proved many times.Minato's method of peace created Tobi.Tobirama's system of peace gave rise to dissatisfaction among uchihas which eventually result into uchiha massacre.

In contrast to other hokage's methods,Naruto's method of peace gave no birth to no villain as i proved above so your comment is pile of fallacious arguments.

So no matter how you look at it, Naruto failed. There is no such thing as true peace. Sasuke's Obito's, Madara's, and Nagato's goals were as close as it could ever get.

Naruto proved that there is something as true peace exists.Naruto's method is the only way to achieve it.Even if naruto dies,His method can lead to true peace U_U.

Things about kawaki is still unknown so you can't conclude anything by just reading 3 pages.U_U

 

[The Necromancer]

You're again wrong.World was not peaceful for more than 2 decades.Sand village attacked the konoha with orochimaru and killed 3rd hokage.Tsuchikage aided Akatsuki and ordered to destroy/weak other villages.Pain Invaded the konoha,Kumogakure was under attack by akatsuki (Sasuke tried to capture bee),etc.

Naruto's mission was not to bring infinite peace.Naruto introduced the method by which global peace can be achieved even without the distribution of bijuus.


Everything you wrote is false.
Akatsuki was not a small mercenary group.It was the most formidable terrorist organization in NV.

In the last,Toneri came from the moon which was not a naruto's failure.When you say that naruto's method of peace failed then it means naruto's method of peace failed to prevent the rising of hatred and eventually the anti governmental organizations.In the Last's case,Toneri came from the moon and it has nothing to do with naruto's method of peace.Naruto's way of peace didn't give birth to toneri.

In the case of Boruto the movie,Otsutsuki brats came from out of nowhere.They also had nothing to do with naruto's way of peace.

In the boruto manga,Shin was thinking that he is following itachi's footsteps which was false interpretation of itachi's actions so even this has nothing to do with Naruto's method.

You can blame naruto for these threats when the naruto's system is creating the hatred just like Hiruzen's method created birth to uchiha massacre,3rd ninja war (hence nagato and origin of Akatsuki).Hiruzen's method of peace gave birth to Sasuke and orochimaru

Hashirama's way of peace also had flaws i.e. every village was under the constant threat of being attacked by other village's tailed beasts.During the era of hashirama,Tailed beast was used the same way as the nuclear weapons.That was the not the true way of obtaining peace even though it produced good results for the short term.Hashirama's method gave birth to madara hence it gave birth to obito and other stuff.

Minato and Tobirama's methods were also false as it was proved many times.Minato's method of peace created Tobi.Tobirama's system of peace gave rise to dissatisfaction among uchihas which eventually result into uchiha massacre.

In contrast to other hokage's methods,Naruto's method of peace gave no birth to no villain as i proved above so your comment is pile of fallacious arguments.


Naruto proved that there is something as true peace exists.Naruto's method is the only way to achieve it.Even if naruto dies,His method can lead to true peace U_U.

Things about kawaki is still unknown so you can't conclude anything by just reading 3 pages.U_U

I really don't care enough to read this. Sorry.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

I really don't care enough to read this. Sorry.

That's what i was expecting to hear from you

 

[V h o]

I truly don't understand this base, after so long this is still being debated?

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I truly don't understand this base, after so long this is still being debated?

About a day, this sh*t all flared up again yesterday.