[Discussion] is g4 needed to beat zoro?
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Not really they're stuck together because be some cases they can be similar, City level starts at 6.3 megatons and stops at around 4 Giagtons that's a big gap. 11 Megatons is lower af on that scale, Zoro is not mountain level.
4gigs is for island level, a massive difference between what I am trying to give zoro(towards the low end of ML range) and that. But anyhow, even if you consider it different, it's fine, within what we are comparing, his DC is still multiple times higher than G3.
Zoro is easily small mountain level. Akainu has a small mountain feat with a calced DC of 5 MT. Zoro doubled that against Pica. 4 gigatons is in between small island and Island level, the latter needing 10x as much destructuve force as the former. You've got to remember that they're are small, average, and large city levels. New York City is considered a large city and is approximately 4-6x larger than what would be considered a small island. Roughly speaking, that is. Not all citys are even remotely close to GT range.
Pretty much this, I think people seriously unrrate Hancock, she just really hasnt had any real screen time recently and no particular reason to go all out vs opponents of a similar caliber (going all out during WotB wouldnt have been the smartest thing tbh lol)
Island 4.3giga meaning yes mountain can upto 4gigs, Zoro is right of the city level meaning that he's most likely not mountain level at all. I already said his DC is higher but he's pretty much inferior everywhere else.
Thing with Luffy is he messes around way too much to where opponents that should be fodder end up getting the better off him. Guys like Bellamy, Senor Pink, Mach Vise, Delinger etc, while at the same time Zoro proves that these people are indeed fodder if they fight him. Because Luffy gets in stupid situations like that he will need to use Gear 4th to beat Zoro because his personality will put Zoro over him even if he could beat him without G4.
Yes, he wouldn't be serious even if he should which will make things alot tougher for him than they need to be.
Instead of winning mid-high diff, he will win with extreme diff if even that. Though if he uses Gear 4th he'll low diff him.
I'll ask you again, how exactly calling a feat illogical and a plot hole going to help you to prove your point? No one in his right mind would call that an argument. It happened in cannon hence it becomes legit regardless of how you/me feel about it. Besides all you've been doing is posting walls of texts about how Zoro couldn't possibly posses FTL reactions which by no means helps you to put Luffy above Zoro let alone him being on whole new level. In same battle against Kuma , half dead
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so I don't see this so called inconsistency you were going on about. Zoro has always been hyped to have amazing reactions since the beginning of the series. In fact he's a type of fighter that relies too much on his reactions and striking rate since he isn't a speed star like Luffy/Sanji. He must either dodge an attack with reflexes or counter it with an attack of his own because he can't get away from attacks rage like Luffy/Sanji. Lets not go too much into physics , it's hardly even reliable in the world of comics. Kuma's too much of an opponent for an M3 level fighter.He's far stronger than any final arc opponent Luffy had came across prior to TS so dodging a barrage of attacks from Kuma which he claimed to be extremely fast is indeed impressive regardless of whether if he posses FTL reactions or not. It's simple commonsense and you don't even need physicals to deduce something as obvious as this. Zoro may / may not posses FTL reactions (I don't think he does) but he's up there with Luffy unless you think Pre TS Luffy/his pre TS Opponents are stronger than Kuma and can strike faster than him.
Also, when M3 were fighting Pacifista , they were continuously being attacked by lasers and all of them apparently in more or less same condition after avoiding multiple attacks. Luffy was using G2 a mode beyond base and Sanji was using DJ a mode beyond base where as Zoro still kept up with them and was equally bruised as the other two. Remember that it was Zoro when he was suffering form his previously received wounds. This further supports the point of Zoro's reactions being just as good as if not better than Luffy's.
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Now there is someone with common sense.
Luffy's personality made him almost lose to Monet.
Luffy's personality made him lose to Caesar Clown.
Luffy's personality made him get wrecked by Bellamy.
Luffy's personality made a Doflamingo clone almost kill him.
Whoever says personality doesn't have an effect on combat is ludicrous.
Hell, personality is what got Ace killed.
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