Kentucky Clerk Denies Marriage Licenses To Gay Couples

[Punk Hazard]

Like I said read the book. :| U r taking a few verses without knowing any of the context behind them. A person who stands in judgment over something he knows nothing about can only be seen as stupid

Like I said, I took extensive Bible studies for over five years. I'm an atheist because I read the book.

How about you explain how a perfect and infallible God can create imperfect and able to become obsolete standards and rules?

Explain how you know which ones are obsolete and which ones aren't? Do Christians pick which are flawed based on convenience or fact?

If God is all powerful and all knowing, why not create ones that would last forever and never become obsolete? After all, if he's perfect and omnipotent, shouldn't he be able to create standards he knows will be perfect? Gimme some exposition here.

 

[Mypower]

The premise of the entire argument is to accurately read the bible and do proper research and here you are with conjectural assertions.. Do you even know of more than one kind of slavery?..

I'm not making any assertions you mongrel. Learn how to read because you don't even know to properly use words like assertion yet. I'm saying what's in the bible. The Bible has so many contradictions that it's ridiculous even a christian like you can't disagree with this. Unlike you I don't look at the bible subjectively I see it objectively. Slavery is slavery it doesn't matter in what form,way or shape it is what it is. You can't tell me that slavery is morally correct or anyway fair. You're basically have a complete control over the slave it doesn't matter if you give them options or whatnot they're still suppressed. You're the one that needs to learn what the Bible is before you defend it because it's obvious from what I'm reading you don't.

 

[hixa kuogame]

That's not nitpicking, it's the fact of the matter. If Law's and decrees given in the Bible can become obsolete, as did the entire old testament apparently, why not all of it? Why not more? Who decides what part of God's word is legit and which part has become flawed? And if God's word can become flawed and obsolete, how is his authority better than any other man? By saying that these laws and decrees are no longer to be followed, you are saying it is a mistake to have them. This means God is capable of making mistakes like any mere human.


Well Christ has died for our sins permanently, why not cut loose and do whatever we want and put it on Jesus' massive crucifixion tab? What need is there to follow these rules from God if the sacrifice is gonna spare us?

No. That was definitely nitpicking.
Not once did I say that the Bible was obsolete. It was hardly even implied. I made it clear that my the difference between the government then and the government now is the separation of church and state. I never said the the Roman law established by God didn't apply to us even in modern time. We are still to obey the governing's established by God, not that of man, which is exactly what Kim Davis is doing in Kentucky.
You tried to twist my words to make it seem like I was implying that the Bible is obsolete because of the era which it was written, So yeah you did nitpick through the things I said..

 

[ANiMUS]

That's not nitpicking, it's the fact of the matter. If Law's and decrees given in the Bible can become obsolete, as did the entire old testament apparently, why not all of it? Why not more? Who decides what part of God's word is legit and which part has become flawed? And if God's word can become flawed and obsolete, how is his authority better than any other man? By saying that these laws and decrees are no longer to be followed, you are saying it is a mistake to have them. This means God is capable of making mistakes like any mere human.


Well Christ has died for our sins permanently, why not cut loose and do whatever we want and put it on Jesus' massive crucifixion tab? What need is there to follow these rules from God if the sacrifice is gonna spare us?

Jesus died to cover the sin that Adam passed down to us.

Johe 3:16
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Without Christ dying for mankind our future would only be death. We have a chance at life thanks to his sacrifice, but only if u excercise faith (meaning to learn christ's teach and put them to practice)

 

[ANiMUS]

I'm not understanding how what "God said" is being chosen to be decided as what the goverment
decided was best for the time. It's really odd how you guys can debunk all of this by saying
the time period they were made were in a time the law was needed, when the entire set
was completed centuries ago.

Are u talking about using the bible to say what the government should do now???

If so I never said anything regarding that. The government's job is to cater to the ppl. Religion is separate.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No. That was definitely nitpicking.
Not once did I say that the Bible was obsolete. It was hardly even implied. I made it clear that my the difference between the government then and the government now is the separation of church and state. I never said the the Roman law established by God didn't apply to us even in modern time. We are still to obey the governing's established by God, not that of man, which is exactly what Kim Davis is doing in Kentucky.
You tried to twist my words to make it seem like I was implying that the Bible is obsolete because of the era which it was written, So yeah you did nitpick through the things I said..

Now you're contradicting yourself. You chastised me for applying laws from Romans and the old testament, but then you say that it can still be applied to modern day. So what was with pointing out that this is modern day? Your post translates to the old testament is obsolete. You didn't say that explicitly, but it's what what you said means. My questions then became if one part can be obsolete, why not other parts? Why not all? How could a perfect being create obsolete standards?

Jesus died to cover the sin that Adam passed down to us.

Johe 3:16
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Without Christ dying for mankind our future would only be death. We have a chance at life thanks to his sacrifice, but only if u excercise faith (meaning to learn christ's teach and put them to practice)

Way to ignore everything else like a well trained Christian.

 

[ANiMUS]

Like I said, I took extensive Bible studies for over five years. I'm an atheist because I read the book.

How about you explain how a perfect and infallible God can create imperfect and able to become obsolete standards and rules?

Explain how you know which ones are obsolete and which ones aren't? Do Christians pick which are flawed based on convenience or fact?

If God is all powerful and all knowing, why not create ones that would last forever and never become obsolete? After all, if he's perfect and omnipotent, shouldn't he be able to create standards he knows will be perfect? Gimme some exposition here.

Honestly what kind of religion did u learn from? :WAT:

God can create a perfect set of standards, but I can guarantee you that imperfect ppl wouldn't be able to live up to it. The Jews took the law and at first only obeyed on and off between the following other gods and them turning to god after they had been abused enough and when they finally did decide to stick to the law they used it to oppress each other.

Sorry Riker it would take too long for me to try and straighten out your reasoning and I really don't like talking about religion here.

I can tell you that even if u read the bible you missed a lot.

I have also explained y the mosaic law became obsolete.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Like I said, I took extensive Bible studies for over five years. I'm an atheist because I read the book.

How about you explain how a perfect and infallible God can create imperfect and able to become obsolete standards and rules?

Explain how you know which ones are obsolete and which ones aren't? Do Christians pick which are flawed based on convenience or fact?

If God is all powerful and all knowing, why not create ones that would last forever and never become obsolete? After all, if he's perfect and omnipotent, shouldn't he be able to create standards he knows will be perfect? Gimme some exposition here.

You need another five years of that bible class.

I'm not understanding how what "God said" is being chosen to be decided as what the goverment
decided was best for the time. It's really odd how you guys can debunk all of this by saying
the time period they were made were in a time the law was needed, when the entire set
was completed centuries ago.

Christianity was the law. Chistrianity directly influenced the government.

I'm not making any assertions you mongrel. Learn how to read because you don't even know to properly use words like assertion yet. I'm saying what's in the bible. The Bible has so many contradictions that it's ridiculous even a christian like you can't disagree with this. Unlike you I don't look at the bible subjectively I see it objectively. Slavery is slavery it doesn't matter in what form,way or shape it is what it is. You can't tell me that slavery is morally correct or anyway fair. You're basically have a complete control over the slave it doesn't matter if you give them options or whatnot they're still suppressed. You're the one that needs to learn what the Bible is before you defend it because it's obvious from what I'm reading you don't.

You just told me that the bible condones slavery and woman mistreatment so how did you not make any assertions? Do you not take pride in your argument. Are you not confident in what you believe? If you are, then that's kind of an assertion...
Clearly the only Slavery you know is the kind of the negro and white man. Biblical slavery was an act of self-salvation. Parents would give their children to slave masters in order save their children because the parents themselves couldn't provide for them and there was actual income for a slave as well as a place for a slave to eat and sleep.

Collosians 4:1
"Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."

Slavery wasn't a "you get a whippin' if you move too slow" kind of ordeal. It was a master-apprentice relationship. If you know the story of Moses, you'd know that God sent him to set free the israelites, who were being tortured contrarily to the slavery that the Bible actually condones. But ofcoarse you probably looked up your atheist arguments online and found the baseless points on slavery, rather than actually reading the Bible and doing research to understand it better otherwise you'd know that all these "contradictions" are apocryphal.

 

[ANiMUS]

Now you're contradicting yourself. You chastised me for applying laws from Romans and the old testament, but then you say that it can still be applied to modern day. So what was with pointing out that this is modern day? Your post translates to the old testament is obsolete. You didn't say that explicitly, but it's what what you said means. My questions then became if one part can be obsolete, why not other parts? Why not all? How could a perfect being create obsolete standards?

Way to ignore everything else like a well trained Christian.

Ignore what Riker :|

 

[LustyLover]

The Biblical version of God isn't any more real than Santa Claus is.

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[hixa kuogame]

Now you're contradicting yourself. You chastised me for applying laws from Romans and the old testament, but then you say that it can still be applied to modern day. So what was with pointing out that this is modern day? Your post translates to the old testament is obsolete. You didn't say that explicitly, but it's what what you said means. My questions then became if one part can be obsolete, why not other parts? Why not all? How could a perfect being create obsolete standards?

Way to ignore everything else like a well trained Christian.

But I never said ANY part was obsolete unless specifically stated by God that his ruling has changed. I pointed out the difference of Modern Government and Past Government. The scripture from Acts and Romans both coincide. They both state that all governance is established by God and God is to be obeyed. In Kim Davis' case, she responded accordingly to the Laws of the Bible, not the laws of modern times established by man.
You're trying to relate principles changing over time to Homosexuality not being abominable over time, but that hasn't changed, Just like the Biblical principals.

 

[Mypower]

You just told me that the bible condones slavery and woman mistreatment so how did you not make any assertions? Do you not take pride in your argument. Are you not confident in what you believe? If you are, then that's kind of an assertion...
Clearly the only Slavery you know is the kind of the negro and white man. Slavery then, was an act of self-salvation. Parents would give their children to slave masters in order save their children because the parents themselves couldn't provide for them and there was actual income for a slave as well as a place for a slave to eat and sleep.
Collosians 4:1
"Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."

Slavery wasn't "you get a whippin' if you move too slow" kind of ordeal. It was a master apprentice relationship. If you know the story of Moses, you'd know that God sent him to set free the israelites, who were being tortured contrarily to the slavery that the Bible actually condones. But ofcoarse you probably looked up your atheist arguments online and found the baseless points on slavery, rather than actually reading the Bible and doing research to understand it better because all these "contradictions" are apocryphal.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"

The Bible clearly condones slavery you dummy. You could treat them property if that's not mistreatment then I don't know what that is.

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

I ain't making any assertions it's in the freaking book read my friend.

 

[hixa kuogame]

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"

The Bible clearly condones slavery you dummy. You could treat them property if that's not mistreatment then I don't know what that is.

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

I ain't making any assertions it's in the freaking book read my friend.

"Oh no People were bought and sold?! Beaten too?!"
I know it's hard to believe that there are people who didn't get to sit on the internet all day living cuddled lives like you, right?
sigh
You still decide to take little excerpts from the bible and manipulate them. I insist that you read Colossians, if not the entire Bible. Clearly your reasoning has holes. lots.

also google what assertion means because you can't seem to tell when you're making one..

 

[LustyLover]

Clearly your reasoning has holes. lots.

Like the Bible.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Like the Bible.

**Says someone who hasn't thoroughly read the Bible

 

[Mypower]

Like the Bible.

Lol soloed his entire argument in three words damn. XD

 

[Mypower]

"Oh no People were bought and sold?! Beaten too?!"
I know it's hard to believe that there are people who didn't get to sit on the internet all day living cuddled lives like you, right?
sigh
You still decide to take little excerpts from the bible and manipulate them. I insist that you read Colossians, if not the entire Bible. Clearly your reasoning has holes. lots.

also google what assertion means because you can't seem to tell when you're making one..

See what I mean now you're all quiet when I actually took out actual info and pwned your ass. I told you that you were going to get schooled. Learn how to read the Bible objectively and not subjectively my friend because you're not obviously not understanding it.

Well whatever I'm out :gn: goodnight everyone.

 

[Urda]

So she not doing her job? She obviously needs to get fired.

 

[hixa kuogame]

See what I mean now you're all quiet when I actually took out actual info and pwned your ass. I told you that you were going to get schooled. Learn how to read the Bible objectively and not subjectively my friend because you're not obviously not understanding it.

It's because regardless of what I say you're not going to take any substance from the Bible. Like you said, you read objectively. You keep finding the negative, but there's reasoning to all your arguments that you aren't putting into perspective on your own. And you talk like a third grader. "pwned"? "Schooled"? :|.

 

[Power Bottom]

So she not doing her job? She obviously needs to get fired.

This made me Lol so hard

LMFAO