General Football Debates!

[David1996]

In the current Chelsea squad? Oscar I guess, he's better defensively and that's why he fits Mourinho's system. His free kicks are brilliant and we already have two brilliant dribblers with Hazard and Willian so we really don't need another one. Coutinho would be a fine addition to our squad though, at times we need more attacking pressure he would be brilliant. It's really a though one David but I have to go with Oscar for the reasons I mentioned above.
I would pick Coutinho for Liverpool though because he's more of a offensive threat and that's what your side lacks.

Nah I mean your own XI

 

[Cooh]

Nah I mean your own XI

None of those two, if I have to pick one I'd still say Oscar because he would fit better I guess :lol

 

[David1996]

None of those two, if I have to pick one I'd still say Oscar because he would fit better I guess :lol

You're just taking the piss now aren't you ? =D

 

[Cooh]

You're just taking the piss now aren't you ? =D

How come? You don't know my undefeatable personal XI :lol

 

[bajram]

5th is mid-table since it doesn't get a Champions League spot and a top side like Barcelona shouldn't concede that much not even against a top opposition. Any of the top teams in Europe are able to beat Barcelona and they won't win the CL twice in a row that's for sure.

Chelsea also conceded 5 goals last season by spurs, the great Milan team conceded 3 goals in 15 minutes by Liverpool in an UCL final at that and many more cases, football doesnt work like that and that is why its the greatest sport.

Bold- I dont even understand what u are trying to say but oh well.

 

[Cooh]

Chelsea also conceded 5 goals last season by spurs, the great Milan team conceded 3 goals in 15 minutes by Liverpool in an UCL final at that and many more cases, football doesnt work like that and that is why its the greatest sport.

Bold- I dont even understand what u are trying to say but oh well.

Doesn't change the fact that the reigning CL champions showed real vulnerability in their defence.

I was saying that Barca won't win the CL twice in a row, not that hard to understand isn't it?

 

[The Sach]

What a poor defending by Barca and Sevilla. -_-
The football world needs good defenders at the moment. -_-

 

[bajram]

Doesn't change the fact that the reigning CL champions showed real vulnerability in their defence.

I was saying that Barca won't win the CL twice in a row, not that hard to understand isn't it?

Oh I think u misunderstood my words when I said " history for the second time" I never really meant that we are going to win the treble again this year, actually what I meant was that if we win the other 2 trohpies left we will make history for the second time, since we are the only team in history to win the sextuple one time in 2009 and it could be the second time if we do it in 2015 too which we are pretty close to.

 

[Cooh]

Oh I think u misunderstood my words when I said " history for the second time" I never really meant that we are going to win the treble again this year, actually what I meant was that if we win the other 2 trohpies left we will make history for the second time, since we are the only team in history to win the sextuple one time in 2009 and it could be the second time if we do it in 2015 too which we are pretty close to.

Oh, I think we talked past each other. :lol

 

[Kurogane]

LMAO zidane and ronaldinho is not even top 10

playing in the same league, zizou and dinho never put up number as good as messi (goals and assists). And la liga (for me personally ) was worse in 2005 - 2008 compare to the current crop..

messi also has the most assists in liga, even alves had more than zidane

 

[Transcendence]

Can't say Messi is the best.
Maradona, Cruyff, Zidane, R9 & Ronaldinho.. They IMO are better than Messi.

Of those, only Maradona and Zidane (because the were healthy; otherwise R9 is on that level too) are on Messi's level. None of them are concretely better than him either. It's a really close thing.

 

[Transcendence]

LMAO zidane and ronaldinho is not even top 10

playing in the same league, zizou and dinho never put up number as good as messi (goals and assists). And la liga (for me personally ) was worse in 2005 - 2008 compare to the current crop..

messi also has the most assists in liga, even alves had more than zidane

Thanks for confirming that you just started watching football in 2009 lol.

Different positions entirely. Dinho and Zizou never had the entire team built around them. Messi has the benefit of always playing with world class players, having the entire team centered around giving him the ball, and he plays in the worst defending league in the world by a mile. It even puts the Premier league's shameful defence to shame. During the Copa America one of his opponent's said it best. The media around Messi and Ronaldo is probably more impactful on the way people play against them. He said players are more inclined to play passively against them just to say they played against them. Messi got completely shut down in the Copa America finals when it was way more physical. That never happens in La Liga. Stats are a tell tale sign of a great player, not saying Messi isn't. But please don't use that as a justification to put him above other players. Zidane single handedly carried France to a Euro Cup win and at 34 carried France all the way to a world cup final when he was past his prime. His dismantling of Brazil in 2006 at 34 was one of the greatest games I've ever come to witness. Saying he's not top 10 is absolutely disgraceful and you should be ashamed.

 

[loj]

That Pique is such a wanker...calling 6 refs...oh come on u didn't mind when Chelsea outplayed u at Stamford Bridge and when there should have been at least 3 pens for the blues...then it was alright...what a wanker that Pique is he is shit too...can't stand that guy.

And u can't compare Messi and Dinho...

When it comes to enjoying football and doing skills Dinho is the man,if u want to enjoy football and seeing goals Messi is the man.

 

[Transcendence]

That Pique is such a wanker...calling 6 refs...oh come on u didn't mind when Chelsea outplayed u at Stamford Bridge and when there should have been at least 3 pens for the blues...then it was alright...what a wanker that Pique is he is shit too...can't stand that guy.

And u can't compare Messi and Dinho...

When it comes to enjoying football and doing skills Dinho is the man,if u want to enjoy football and seeing goals Messi is the man.

You also have to factor in that Dinho never had the team built around him and his European competition was AC Milan, Juve, Liverpool etc. When they had great defenders like Cannavaro, Nesta, Zambrotta etc. As much as I love Barca, Pique's complaining in the game was a joke and quite hilarious. He complained that the guy's elbow hit him when it clearly didn't.

 

[loj]

You also have to factor in that Dinho never had the team built around him and his European competition was AC Milan, Juve, Liverpool etc. When they had great defenders like Cannavaro, Nesta, Zambrotta etc. As much as I love Barca, Pique's complaining in the game was a joke and quite hilarious. He complained that the guy's elbow hit him when it clearly didn't.

Exactly.

Pique is a wanker.And I dont get why are people wanking over him being good...

John Terry is far better defender than he is and JT is 34.

 

[Transcendence]

Exactly.

Pique is a wanker.And I dont get why are people wanking over him being good...

John Terry is far better defender than he is and JT is 34.

I wouldn't go that far, but he does have weird temper problems at times.

 

[The Sach]

That Pique is such a wanker...calling 6 refs...oh come on u didn't mind when Chelsea outplayed u at Stamford Bridge and when there should have been at least 3 pens for the blues...then it was alright...what a wanker that Pique is he is shit too...can't stand that guy.

And u can't compare Messi and Dinho...

When it comes to enjoying football and doing skills Dinho is the man,if u want to enjoy football and seeing goals Messi is the man.

This right here is the truth, preach my boi.U_U
But just like I said in my last post, I always think that the quality of defenders has deteriorated in last few years, typically after players like Cannavaro, Nesta, Ferdinand retired and now others such as Terry are in the later stages of their career.
I also think that media is responsible for this deterioration of defenders. They never get as much recognition as Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez and then we have others who criticize Mourinho for playing with defensive style and winning the league.

 

[David1996]

Oh, I think we talked past each other. :lol

Well more or less..

LMAO zidane and ronaldinho is not even top 10

playing in the same league, zizou and dinho never put up number as good as messi (goals and assists). And la liga (for me personally ) was worse in 2005 - 2008 compare to the current crop..

messi also has the most assists in liga, even alves had more than zidane

Zidane is one with football. You can't take the ball of him.

Of those, only Maradona and Zidane (because the were healthy; otherwise R9 is on that level too) are on Messi's level. None of them are concretely better than him either. It's a really close thing.

If only R9 stayed healthy! 47 goals in 49 games for Barcelona at the age of 19, mental.

This right here is the truth, preach my boi.U_U
But just like I said in my last post, I always think that the quality of defenders has deteriorated in last few years, typically after players like Cannavaro, Nesta, Ferdinand retired and now others such as Terry are in the later stages of their career.
I also think that media is responsible for this deterioration of defenders. They never get as much recognition as Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez and then we have others who criticize Mourinho for playing with defensive style and winning the league.

Speaking of defenders, who's your top 5 defenders playing today ?

 

[Cooh]

Exactly.

Pique is a wanker.And I dont get why are people wanking over him being good...

John Terry is far better defender than he is and JT is 34.

I'd pick JT over that wanker Pique any day!

 

[Cooh]

Well more or less..

I was talking to Bajram??