Is Gay Marriage A Civil Right's Issue? Should it be?

[Multiply]

Don't see how bringing that up was relevant

Bringing what up? I can't read your mind.

 

[ComplexCity]

Bringing what up? I can't read your mind.

Not spelling it out for you, figure it out

 

[Multiply]

Not spelling it out for you, figure it out

Fox News? Religious nuts? Teabaggers? I don't see what you're getting at here.

 

[Adam Driver]

I think they should be allowed to marry if they want but no one should be forced to marry them if they don't agree with homosexuality. I don't understand why people push for homosexuality to be normal or accepted by all when it will never be, as long as a male has a penis and a female a vagina

 

[Callypigia]

So atheists shouldn't be allowed to get married?




The argument that there are animals who practice homosexuality is not to say "It should be allowed" but to disprove the argument that "It's not natural."

My statement has nothing to do with atheists or anyone being allowed to get married. Like with homosexuality it is up to the church/mosque/temple to marry who they want to marry. Most atheists I know get married in the court house because they have no desire to be married in a religious institution. The question asked was, is it a civil right? This entire thread got derailed into a moral issue. It is a legal one. Civil unions are legal contracts which should be upheld by the constitution. Marriages are religious contracts upheld by the beliefs of the religious affiliation holding the ceremony.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So you specificnally considered a sexual identity being found in Nature being a support but dimiss incest when it too is found in Nature?

A simple minded response and rather a circular one as well. Not only is there contraceptive techniques but there are ways to prevent it as well. Like I said, you cannot choose what you want to use and what it actually is. Inbreeding is found in Nature just like homosexuality

You're not getting it are you? Incest is deemed unacceptable despite being natural because it causes inherent harm. Homosexuality does not, so it is found acceptable.

A sexuality isn't accepted just because it's natural, but because it is BOTH natural AND not inherently harmful to those involved or around them.

Unnatural things can happen in nature too. You're doing something you were never designed to do.
A male shouldn't be attracted to another male, that's an unnatural thing period.

I'm not homophobic just because I'm not patting them on the back for it.

You heard it here first, folks, unnatural things can happen naturally.

Yes Riker, deny facts like religious nuts do. It will get you very far in life! You could probably get hired at Fox News or become a teabagger!

You mean like how you're denying the fact that human beings cannot control their circulatory and endocrine systems, which are quintessential to sexuality, and therefore can't control sexuality?

 

[ComplexCity]

You're not getting it are you? Incest is deemed unacceptable despite being natural because it causes inherent harm. Homosexuality does not, so it is found acceptable.

A sexuality isn't accepted just because it's natural, but because it is BOTH natural AND not inherently harmful to those involved or around them.


You heard it here first, folks, unnatural things can happen naturally.

You mean like how you're denying the fact that human beings cannot control their circulatory and endocrine systems, which are quintessential to sexuality, and therefore can't control sexuality?

The argument is not whether or not it is harmful or not. The argument is whether it is found in Nature and both are found in Nature. With heterosexuality, there are chances are child of defects yet it is completely natural. Like I said, there are many ways for incestual couples to avoid a still born. You have no argument when you bring up nature because once again, you cannot pick and choose what is what and in case you don't know, incest in frowned upon morally as well

 

[Punk Hazard]

The argument is not whether or not it is harmful or not. The argument is whether it is found in Nature and both are found in Nature. With heterosexuality, there are chances are child of defects yet it is completely natural. Like I said, there are many ways for incestual couples to avoid a still born. You have no argument when you bring up nature because once again, you cannot pick and choose what is what and in case you don't know, incest in frowned upon morally as well

Okay. They are both found in nature. And? We can pick and choose what is good and bad from nature. That's how we know murder is bad, despite being natural. That's how we know pedophilia is bad, despite being natural.

What you are failing to grasp is that it being found in nature is not a complete argument, but is part of something bigger, so what you're saying does not apply.

 

[ComplexCity]

Okay. They are both found in nature. And? We can pick and choose what is good and bad from nature. That's how we know murder is bad, despite being natural. That's how we know pedophilia is bad, despite being natural.

What you are failing to grasp is that it being found in nature is not a complete argument, but is part of something bigger, so what you're saying does not apply.

No what I'm saying is that we are animals and to say homosexuality is valid because it is found in Nature is faulty unless we factor in the other things as well. Are we not considered animals according to scientist?

 

[Punk Hazard]

No what I'm saying is that we are animals and to say homosexuality is valid because it is found in Nature is faulty unless we factor in the other things as well. Are we not considered animals according to scientist?

No one said it's valid because it's found in nature, it's natural because it's found in nature. How much clearer can I be?

 

[ComplexCity]

No one said it's valid because it's found in nature, it's natural because it's found in nature. How much clearer can I be?

And how much clearer can I be in stating just because it's done by animals, doesn't make it natural, that argument is faulty.

Once again going by your logic. Incest is natural since it is found in nature

 

[Punk Hazard]

And how much clearer can I be in stating just because it's done by animals, doesn't make it natural, that argument is faulty.

Once again going by your logic. Incest is natural since it is found in nature

Yeah, incest is natural. Doesn't mean it's morally or socially right. Which is why there is more to the argument than just whether or not it's natural.

If it's happening in nature without the influence of man, then it is natural.

 

[ComplexCity]

Yeah, incest is natural. Doesn't mean it's morally or socially right. Which is why there is more to the argument than just whether or not it's natural.

If it's happening in nature without the influence of man, then it is natural.

And you don't think ppl use this argument to support that it is morally and socially acceptable? I honestly feel like I'm talking in circles here. I agree on the former point, but ppl pick and choose what is what based on predilection. I can easily dismiss the still born argument ,(which I've already done) and compare incest to homosexuality yet it is still frowned upon morally and socially

 

[Punk Hazard]

And you don't think ppl use this argument to support that it is morally and socially acceptable? I honestly feel like I'm talking in circles here. I agree on the former point, but ppl pick and choose what is what based on predilection. I can easily dismiss the still born argument ,(which I've already done) and compare incest to homosexuality yet it is still frowned upon morally and socially

Good for them, they're wrong.

My point was that's not what the argument is really supposed to be used for. You continued to not understand that for far too long.

 

[Bronze]

Lol, not by a long shot.

For starters, being black skinned is genetically inherited meaning it's natural. It's a race. Being homosexual is not for scientific and religious reasons.

You can't possibly compare both.

 

[ComplexCity]

Good for them, they're wrong.

My point was that's not what the argument is really supposed to be used for. You continued to not understand that for far too long.

I saw your point I just merely raised awareness for you to let you know what happens

 

[Songbird Supreme]

Who decides what is natural and what is not?

yet you say same *** attraction is unnatural. i cant even U_U


OT: As a bi person myself I can't imagine being denied the right to marry a girl as much as I can't imagine being denied to marry a guy. so many ignoramuses on one thread e.e

 

[Multiply]

You mean like how you're denying the fact that human beings cannot control their circulatory and endocrine systems, which are quintessential to sexuality, and therefore can't control sexuality?

So since my body knows how to breathe without me telling it to, I can't control my breathing? So since my body knows to blink when something comes towards my face, means I can't control my blinking? So since my body can cry without my say so means I can't control my tears?

Circulatory system + Endocrine system = sexuality? Have you written your research paper on this? If you have I'd suggest you submit it to your nearest University, and I promise you'll get your Nobel Prize very soon.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So since my body knows how to breathe without me telling it to, I can't control my breathing? So since my body knows to blink when something comes towards my face, means I can't control my blinking? So since my body can cry without my say so means I can't control my tears?

Circulatory system + Endocrine system = sexuality? Have you written your research paper on this? If you have I'd suggest you submit it to your nearest University, and I promise you'll get your Nobel Prize very soon.

Come back to me when you can control your circulatory and endocrine system to influence your sexuality.

Yes, they do. Arousal is caused by the increased flow of blood to the reproductive organs. I believe kids your age call them "boners" these days. Arousal ceases through decreased blood flow to those organs. That's what causes your stiffies when you see a nice pair of boobies. Now, here's the neat thing about arousal: You don't control it. You can stimulate it, through the use of things like the magazines you're hiding from mommy and daddy, but it's not controlled. You can't control how aroused you are, you can't make your arousal stop, and you can't make it happen. At best, you can influence it through external stimuli, but you can't snap your fingers and force it act as you wish. That's what causes those awkward protruding pants moments on your way to Health, which you may wanna study harder for. But most importantly, you can't control what arouses you. You never chose for your body to start being aroused and sending the blood flow to Willy Wonka when you saw a nice piece of female eye candy, that happened naturally without your consent. You also never chose for Willy to back into the factory when it comes to men. Wanna here a fun fact? Neither did homosexuals.

As for the endocrine system, these should tell you all you need to know.

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Sexual behavior is influenced by the hypothalamus. It stimulates the pituitary gland to release the *** hormones. When levels of those hormones falls, so does sexual desire.

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[Multiply]

Come back to me when you can control your circulatory and endocrine system to influence your sexuality.

Yes, they do. Arousal is caused by the increased flow of blood to the reproductive organs. I believe kids your age call them "boners" these days. Arousal ceases through decreased blood flow to those organs. That's what causes your stiffies when you see a nice pair of boobies. Now, here's the neat thing about arousal: You don't control it. You can stimulate it, through the use of things like the magazines you're hiding from mommy and daddy, but it's not controlled. You can't control how aroused you are, you can't make your arousal stop, and you can't make it happen. At best, you can influence it through external stimuli, but you can't snap your fingers and force it act as you wish. That's what causes those awkward protruding pants moments on your way to Health, which you may wanna study harder for. But most importantly, you can't control what arouses you. You never chose for your body to start being aroused and sending the blood flow to Willy Wonka when you saw a nice piece of female eye candy, that happened naturally without your consent. You also never chose for Willy to back into the factory when it comes to men. Wanna here a fun fact? Neither did homosexuals.

Odd, these are the types of things that happen when your body is still going through the main part of puberty. Random arousal. Inability to get rid of said random arousal. Those are the things that happened to me in High School, yes. However, I can walk past a naked woman and not get aroused if I don't want to. Most men I know don't get random arousal anymore. They are jokes of the past(high school). So while all of these things might happen to you, they do not happen to me.

Because(if you want to hear a fun fact), towards the end and after puberty, you gain the control of your manly parts. You don't get those pesky random boners like you used to. You can put yourself in and out of 'that' mood, and it works like that. A usual sign of this is when you stop waking up with 'morning wood'.

I still don't get why you're trying to make me think circulatory + endocrine systems = sexuality. That's not true unless you can show me a paper of research detailing such a thing. I expect you to prove your points if your going to say things that would change how we socially define homosexuality.

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Bruh, how you gonna body your own argument... Smh Riker.

In most animal species the brain controls and regulates sexual behavior primarily by means of hormones. Man and other primates are exceptions to this role because he depends on personal experience and cultural aspects than its does on hormones. However, hormones seems to affect arousability by altering the threshold for erotic stimulation, regardless of weather the threshold in question is one of peripheral tissue sensitivity.

Let's break it down line by line.

In most animal species the brain controls and regulates sexual behavior primarily by means of hormones.

Very straight forward. In most animals their brain controls their sexual desire with the use of hormones.

Man and other primates are exceptions to this role because he depends on personal experience and cultural aspects than its does on hormones.

Primates are exceptions because we depend(keyword) on personal experience and cultural aspects. Rather than our hormones deciding for us. Meaning how we are raised, our experiences with ***, and our general interactions with both genders.

However, hormones seems to affect arousability by altering the threshold for erotic stimulation, regardless of weather the threshold in question is one of peripheral tissue sensitivity.

This line simply talks about how our hormones effect our ability to get aroused by stimuli; In example porn, nudity, etc. That is regardless of what is touching our privates. Meaning, you could be straight, but a dude rubbing your privates would make you aroused.


It's not that it's not your choice, because that would be a very broad statement. Arousal is simply a natural reflex to stimuli. Similar to crying, blinking, and even goosebumps. To say sexuality is a choice would be the more correct of the two(in my opinion) and less broad because we as humans directly choose what stimulates us. To argue that would be, well... I'll let you argue it first Lol.

Which brings us around to my initial statement to you. When it comes to what arouses us as primates, it's very much so a choice. We choose our stimuli(Besides in extreme cases). What you choose to stimulate yourself with is completely and entirely up to you. No one should be able to tell you who or what can stimulate you as it's only natural to be stimulated.

*Sorry if this sounds retarded in some areas, I'm half asleep.