Is Gay Marriage A Civil Right's Issue? Should it be?

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yet you say same *** attraction is unnatural. i cant even U_U


OT: As a bi person myself I can't imagine being denied the right to marry a girl as much as I can't imagine being denied to marry a guy. so many ignoramuses on one thread e.e
I was simpliy entertaining the fallacious idea. Humans seem to pick and choose what they want things to be based on (emotional) predilection. It's all about belief(s). However, nothing suggest that ppl are born gay and can't control it. There's already been an experiment done to prove it is not genetic
 
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I was simpliy entertaining the fallacious idea. Humans seem to pick and choose what they want things to be based on (emotional) predilection. It's all about belief(s). However, nothing suggest that ppl are born gay and can't control it. There's already been an experiment done to prove it is not genetic
Ok cool. Show me scientific fact (not theories) from professional, reputable neuroscientists irrefutably proving that being gay or bisexual is a choice. While you're at it, show me proof that heterosexuality is not a choice.

Assuming sexuality isn't determined prior to birth (which I believe it is) not being born gay or bi doesn't equal making the concious decision to be something other than heterosexual. #FoodForThought
 

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Ok cool. Show me scientific fact (not theories) from professional, reputable neuroscientists irrefutably proving that being gay or bisexual is a choice. While you're at it, show me proof that heterosexuality is not a choice.

Assuming sexuality isn't determined prior to birth (which I believe it is) not being born gay or bi doesn't equal making the concious decision to be something other than heterosexual. #FoodForThought
A genetic experiment was done between twins with results that weren't 100%. What more proof do you need? :|

external factors may play a part in homosexuality but it's already been proven it's not genetic.

How about you find me an article proving that it's not a choice since its already disproven that it's genetic
 
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Odd, these are the types of things that happen when your body is still going through the main part of puberty. Random arousal. Inability to get rid of said random arousal. Those are the things that happened to me in High School, yes. However, I can walk past a naked woman and not get aroused if I don't want to. Most men I know don't get random arousal anymore. They are jokes of the past(high school). So while all of these things might happen to you, they do not happen to me.

Because(if you want to hear a fun fact), towards the end and after puberty, you gain the control of your manly parts. You don't get those pesky random boners like you used to. You can put yourself in and out of 'that' mood, and it works like that. A usual sign of this is when you stop waking up with 'morning wood'.

I still don't get why you're trying to make me think circulatory + endocrine systems = sexuality. That's not true unless you can show me a paper of research detailing such a thing. I expect you to prove your points if your going to say things that would change how we socially define homosexuality.




Bruh, how you gonna body your own argument... Smh Riker.



Let's break it down line by line.




Very straight forward. In most animals their brain controls their sexual desire with the use of hormones.



Primates are exceptions because we depend(keyword) on personal experience and cultural aspects. Rather than our hormones deciding for us. Meaning how we are raised, our experiences with ***, and our general interactions with both genders.



This line simply talks about how our hormones effect our ability to get aroused by stimuli; In example porn, nudity, etc. That is regardless of what is touching our privates. Meaning, you could be straight, but a dude rubbing your privates would make you aroused.


It's not that it's not your choice, because that would be a very broad statement. Arousal is simply a natural reflex to stimuli. Similar to crying, blinking, and even goosebumps. To say sexuality is a choice would be the more correct of the two(in my opinion) and less broad because we as humans directly choose what stimulates us. To argue that would be, well... I'll let you argue it first Lol.

Which brings us around to my initial statement to you. When it comes to what arouses us as primates, it's very much so a choice. We choose our stimuli(Besides in extreme cases). What you choose to stimulate yourself with is completely and entirely up to you. No one should be able to tell you who or what can stimulate you as it's only natural to be stimulated.

*Sorry if this sounds retarded in some areas, I'm half asleep.
It's not just random bursts of arousal. All cases of arousal, and the reversal of these cases, is caused by blood flow. When you, specifically, are aroused by the opposite gender, it happens because of blood flow, something that can't be controlled. You can put it out of your mind and focus on other things so that your arousal ceases or diminishes, but you can't manually make your blood flowto cause, cease or prevent arousal.

No one is able to put themselves in and out of that mood manually. No one can go "Body, be horny," and it gets horny. It's not like moving a leg or an arm. Stimulation through stimuli is not the same as control.

Sexuality, while not completely ***, consists of it greatly. A large part of *** is arousal. A large part of arousal is blood flow. Every erection is caused by blood flow, whether it be pesky morning wood or genuine preparation for ***. In other words, the circulatory system contributes to sexuality by providing the necessary blood flow to arouse the genitals.

I knew you were gonna focus on that. I saw it too. My point still stands. While human beings' sexuality aren't defined 100% by the endocrine system(I never said it was), it does influence and contribute to sexuality.
Sexual behavior is influenced by the hypothalamus. It stimulates the pituitary gland to release the *** hormones. When levels of those hormones falls, so does sexual desire
This applies to human beings as well. Sexual desire and *** drive are directly affected by hormones released by the endocrine system. Your desire to have *** period is caused by hormones and the changes they make to the body. Your ability to have *** period is caused by these as well.

That line saying that hormones affect our threshold for stimuli does not mean that hormones ONLY affect our threshold for stimuli, that's just one of the many things they do.

If sexuality is a choice, why do people who are bullied, beaten, or killed not simply choose to be straight? If sexuality is a choice, can you tell me the day you sat down and consciously chose to be aroused by men, where you thought to yourself "My options are men, women or both. I pick men" and THEN your body became attracted to men? If it's a choice, can you, right now, choose to be sexually attracted to books, and then choose not to be? We do not choose what does and doesn't stimulate us. Otherwise, people who struggle with porn addiction and want to get better could just turn it off. People who feel necrophiliac or pedophiliac attractions could just turn it off and stop being aroused by it. You yourself pointed out a case where arousal can't be controlled, and yet you claim sexuality can be when arousal plays a large role in it? That's illogical.
 

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It's not just random bursts of arousal. All cases of arousal, and the reversal of these cases, is caused by blood flow. When you, specifically, are aroused by the opposite gender, it happens because of blood flow, something that can't be controlled. You can put it out of your mind and focus on other things so that your arousal ceases or diminishes, but you can't manually make your blood flowto cause, cease or prevent arousal.

No one is able to put themselves in and out of that mood manually. No one can go "Body, be horny," and it gets horny. It's not like moving a leg or an arm. Stimulation through stimuli is not the same as control.

Sexuality, while not completely ***, consists of it greatly. A large part of *** is arousal. A large part of arousal is blood flow. Every erection is caused by blood flow, whether it be pesky morning wood or genuine preparation for ***. In other words, the circulatory system contributes to sexuality by providing the necessary blood flow to arouse the genitals.

I knew you were gonna focus on that. I saw it too. My point still stands. While human beings' sexuality aren't defined 100% by the endocrine system(I never said it was), it does influence and contribute to sexuality.

This applies to human beings as well. Sexual desire and *** drive are directly affected by hormones released by the endocrine system. Your desire to have *** period is caused by hormones and the changes they make to the body. Your ability to have *** period is caused by these as well.

That line saying that hormones affect our threshold for stimuli does not mean that hormones ONLY affect our threshold for stimuli, that's just one of the many things they do.

If sexuality is a choice, why do people who are bullied, beaten, or killed not simply choose to be straight? If sexuality is a choice, can you tell me the day you sat down and consciously chose to be aroused by men, where you thought to yourself "My options are men, women or both. I pick men" and THEN your body became attracted to men? If it's a choice, can you, right now, choose to be sexually attracted to books, and then choose not to be? We do not choose what does and doesn't stimulate us. Otherwise, people who struggle with porn addiction and want to get better could just turn it off. People who feel necrophiliac or pedophiliac attractions could just turn it off and stop being aroused by it. You yourself pointed out a case where arousal can't be controlled, and yet you claim sexuality can be when arousal plays a large role in it? That's illogical.
No one can go, body be horny?

I've done it several times....
 

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A genetic experiment was done between twins with results that weren't 100%. What more proof do you need? :|

external factors may play a part in homosexuality but it's already been proven it's not genetic.

How about you find me an article proving that it's not a choice since its already disproven that it's genetic
You think not genetic=being a choice? Sexuality is determined by both biological/internal factors(such as the systems I mentioned earlier as well as things like emotions), which can't be controlled or chosen, and external factors(such as environment, culture, experiences), which are very limitedly controlled. The amount of possible control one has over their sexuality is miniscule at best.

No, people aren't born with their sexuality, but they don't pick it either. No gay man is gay because he decided one day that forming emotional, physical and mental attraction to other men is his cup of tea.
 
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A genetic experiment was done between twins with results that weren't 100%. What more proof do you need? :|
if it wasnt 100% yet there was still a large percent of both twins turning out gay then that means there's a biological, genetic basis in sexuality. and even if it's not genetic doesnt mean its a choice.

again can you show me irrefutable proof that heterosexuals are born this way?
 

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No one can go, body be horny?

I've done it several times....
No, no one can turn sexual arousal on and off manually like they can move an arm or leg. You can try to stimulate arousal, but once again, this is not the same as controlling it. However, given by our previous conversations, you're either gonna twist the words again for the sake of arguing or simply fail to understand again, probably manage to do both at once.
 

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You think not genetic=being a choice? Sexuality is determined by both biological/internal factors(such as the systems I mentioned earlier as well as things like emotions), which can't be controlled or chosen, and external factors(such as environment, culture, experiences), which are very limitedly controlled. The amount of possible control one has over their sexuality is miniscule at best.

No, people aren't born with their sexuality, but they don't pick it either. No gay man is gay because he decided one day that forming emotional, physical and mental attraction to other men is his cup of tea.
Seeing how you think one cannot control whether they are horny or not, I won't even waste my time seeing how there is no proof of this. There is proof of outside factors playing a part in choosing. Quite honestly though, I don't care. The whole premise of my argument(s) were that just because it's natural it's not proof of anything. I don't dislike gay ppl as one of my close friends just opened up to me (and no one else we knew), knowing how I feel about it says a lot. I don't treat him any different. I just don't support it.
 

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No, no one can turn sexual arousal on and off manually like they can move an arm or leg. You can try to stimulate arousal, but once again, this is not the same as controlling it. However, given by our previous conversations, you're either gonna twist the words again for the sake of arguing or simply fail to understand again, probably manage to do both at once.
Because you're gonna tell me I've never done it before....

Ok bruh...
 
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Seeing how you think one cannot control whether they are horny or not, I won't even waste my time seeing how there is no proof of this. There is proof of outside factors playing a part in choosing. Quite honestly though, I don't care. The whole premise of my argument(s) were that just because it's natural it's not proof of anything. I don't dislike gay ppl as one of my close friends just opened up to me (and no one else we knew), knowing how I feel about it says a lot. I don't treat him any different. I just don't support it.
Ok. Why don't you support it?
 

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Seeing how you think one cannot control whether they are horny or not, I won't even waste my time seeing how there is no proof of this. There is proof of outside factors playing a part in choosing. Quite honestly though, I don't care. The whole premise of my argument(s) were that just because it's natural it's not proof of anything. I don't dislike gay ppl as one of my close friends just opened up to me (and no one else we knew), knowing how I feel about it says a lot. I don't treat him any different. I just don't support it.
It's not choosing. Did you sit down and choose to be straight?
Because you're gonna tell me I've never done it before....

Ok bruh...
I'd love to know how you accomplished this.
 

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Ok. Why don't you support it?
Seeing as how I like the bible I won't even use that as an argument.


1. It's counter productive to our species

2. it was considered a mental disease back in the day probably for the reason I stated above and quite hypocritical at the least. Ppl smile at homosexuality and frown at incest when they are nearly one in the same


Number one would probably be the biggest, why do something that goes against what we designed to do?
 

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It's not choosing. Did you sit down and choose to be straight?


I'd love to know how you accomplished this.
Obviously that's the way I was raised (outside factor) that way. But I'm pretty sure when I got older I would have been able to choose women, really can't say. There gay ppl who are fine with women and then go to men. If what you're saying is true, then how could they have been with women, gotten pleasure out of it and then turned gay?
 
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Seeing as how I like the bible I won't even use that as an argument.


1. It's counter productive to our species

2. it was considered a mental disease back in the day probably for the reason I stated above and quite hypocritical at the least. Ppl smile at homosexuality and frown at incest when they are nearly one in the same


Number one would probably be the biggest, why do something that goes against what we designed to do?
1. It's counter productive to our species, yet it has been occuring for thousands of years...and here we are, more advanced than ever, always progressing. If it's so "counter productive", why is the human race more productive than ever?

2. It's not. A mental disorder, or a mental disability, is something that dehabilitates a person's ability to function. Gay people can function as well as a straight person can.
 

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Seeing as how I like the bible I won't even use that as an argument.


1. It's counter productive to our species

2. it was considered a mental disease back in the day probably for the reason I stated above and quite hypocritical at the least. Ppl smile at homosexuality and frown at incest when they are nearly one in the same


Number one would probably be the biggest, why do something that goes against what we designed to do?
1. We weren't designed to fly. You against airplanes?
We weren't designed to travel at 50 MPH. You against cars?
We weren't designed to be underwater. You against scuba gear?

2. Gay people can still reproduce

3. Black people were considered less than white people back in the day. Women working was considered wrong and illogical back in the day.

4. Incest can be harmful, homosexuality does not. They are not the same.
 

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1. It's counter productive to our species, yet it has been occuring for thousands of years...and here we are, more advanced than ever, always progressing. If it's so "counter productive", why is the human race more productive than ever?

2. It's not. A mental disorder, or a mental disability, is something that dehabilitates a person's ability to function. Gay people can function as well as a straight person can.
1. Umm what? Since when has not being able to reproduce been productive?


2. You missed my point, read it again
 

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1. We weren't designed to fly. You against airplanes?
We weren't designed to travel at 50 MPH. You against cars?
We weren't designed to be underwater. You against scuba gear?

2. Gay people can still reproduce

3. Black people were considered less than white people back in the day. Women working was considered wrong and illogical back in the day.

4. Incest can be harmful, homosexuality does not. They are not the same.
1. Since when we're airplanes against something we were meant to do as a species. Irrelevant point

2. Gay ppl cannot reproduce with each other. A group of homosexuals will die out a group of heteros won't

3.You missed my point

4. Ok? Homosexuals cannot reproduce, heteosexuals can also have birth detective babies and as I stated a million times before, there are ways around inbreeding
 
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