Why didn't Sasuke use Genjutsu on the Raikage?

[Naruto X Hunter]

Plots, sasuke couldve solod mei with genjutsu too, and honestly sasuke isn't a genjutsu type, so it's not his style and he isn't that good at it

Sasuke is very skilled at Genjutsu,infact he mastered Sharingan Genjutsu.

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lol wtf. ppl in a state of denial trying to defend the silly plotholes.

Doesnt matter how fast u are. U look at MS eyes or sharingan eyes, you're done for. No matter how fast u are, eye contact = genjutsu. fact. plot saved his ass. period.

Exactly,i'm proven them wrong left,and right.They're still trying to excuse this.

Except that's not how it works. Simply looking in their eyes when the user isn't even attempting genjutsu doesn't cause instant genjutsu.

Sasuke had the perfect oppurtunities to cast it.Masashi had him not.While Sasuke was building up chakra to unleashed Amaterasu,the Raikage was looking into Sasuke's eyes waiting for when he activates it so he could time out when to dodge.Instead of Amaterasu Sasuke could have easily used Genjutsu,and not have strained his eyes.

1. Trying to down rate Ay for getting caught by Madaras genjutsu is petty of you. The fact that you say he was "easily owned" by it and would have lost like that if it was 1 vs 1 is a joke. It's like you read the manga and ignored everything you didn't like. First of all, Tsuande was hurt and in danger, Raikage lost focus for one second and this is what caused him to get caught. Even a distracted Hashirama worrying about his comrades could get caught in a genjutsu. It's Tsuandes fault he got caught.

2. You need to look directly into an Uchiha's eyes, seems peop,e still don't understand this. You can look at an uchiha and see their eyes, but if you stare directly into their eyes, that's when you'll get caught in genjutsu. Ay wasn't caught in Sasuke's genjutsu because he's too fast for the sharingan to follow, and because he knows how to fight uchiha. He said it himself that the sharingan is no match for him, you only show scans of Ay looking at Sasuke's face, that doesn't mean he looked directly into his eyes. Madara had to pick Ay up, bring him close and use genjutsu, that's how much it took to put Ay in genjutsu.

3. Ay was disappointed he got caught. He even said "me iof all people losing to sharingan genjutsu". He said this because he knows himself that it is something that would never happen under normal circumstances. You need to wait for Ay to be distracted and then incapacitate him, in order for sharingan genjutsu to catch him. Not something Ms Sasuke or anyone can do easily.

You claim people have to stare in an Uchiha's eyes directly in order to get caught,yet Sasuke get all the Bijuus in Genjutsu with a single glance instantly.

You claim A was only looking at Sasuke's face.If that's the case,then how did he know Sasuke had the Mangekyo? He obviously saw it.

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[UzumakiRyu]

A few seconds earlier (before Sasuke tells them they are not needed)

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Jugo doesn't realize he was caught in Genjutsu,Sasuke saw through it right away,and was perfectly calm.Yeah he's skilled enough to be confident that he can handle them alone.

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Jugo,and Sugeitsu came in because they thought Sasuke needed their help.Sasuke knew he didn't,and told them.That's not neccessarily being arrogant,cause if your teamates are risking their life to join the battle when they are not needed,that can get in the way.They are putting themselves in danger when it's not needed.



The Raikage made eye contact with Sasuke multiple times - times when Genjutsu could have been used.What are you debating against? Whether the Raikage could have been caught in Genjutsu,or whether he would be saved from it?

I said it was a surprise attack because Sasuke was aiming for the Raikage,then Darui stepped up in front of him and launched his jutsu as Sasuke.

And stop diverging off topic.The KB fight was different.Sasuke easily owned C,and Darui would be the same if Sasuke ever had went up against him,this is alot different then fighting a guy who has a gigantic creature inside him helping him out.

The Raikage was obviously going to risk all limbs to kill Sasuke which the way he was attacking him before Gaara jumped in Sasuke would of been pretty much near death though Susanao and the flames would of negated most of the damage but he would of received enough to hurt.

Sasuke needs Taka it isn't like they would wait for him to tell them when they should jump in to help the guy out, He should be thankful not so ready to disregard their efforts. Sasuke is very strong but the state he went to the Summit he would of been killed had he went there alone without the assistance of both Taka and Obito or BZ's interference. Sasuke's need to seek Revenge against them obviously overuled common sense. Thankfully for him there are those who would not of seen him dead lol

 

[Ambivalence]

Because of Ay's fighting style and MS Sasuke can't track Ay's shunshin.

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In the scan you showed but misinterpreted, Madara literally had to physically restrain Ay with Susano'o in order to force him inside his genjutsu.

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Short, simple, effective. Good post.

It wasn't until EMS that Sasuke would have been able to track V2 Ay and catch him in a genjutsu.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Sasuke is very skilled at Genjutsu,infact he mastered Sharingan Genjutsu.

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At that point in the manga it's was said that he wasn't by danzo, was this before or after he killed him

 

[Zawerni]

Sasuke had the perfect oppurtunities to cast it.Masashi had him not.While Sasuke was building up chakra to unleashed Amaterasu,the Raikage was looking into Sasuke's eyes waiting for when he activates it so he could time out when to dodge.Instead of Amaterasu Sasuke could have easily used Genjutsu,and not have strained his eyes.

It's never shown Ay was looking directly in Sasuke's eyes. He was looking at Sasuke, but unless he looks him in the eye genjutsu won't work.

He didn't need to look in Sasuke's eyes to see the flames.

And again, it wouldn't have been "easily" like you claim. Darui was still there.

Exactly,i'm proven them wrong left,and right.They're still trying to excuse this.

Only thing you've proven is your ability to repost the same scans repeatedly. :snick:

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

The Raikage was obviously going to risk all limbs to kill Sasuke which the way he was attacking him before Gaara jumped in Sasuke would of been pretty much near death though Susanao and the flames would of negated most of the damage but he would of received enough to hurt.

Sasuke needs Taka it isn't like they would wait for him to tell them when they should jump in to help the guy out, He should be thankful not so ready to disregard their efforts. Sasuke is very strong but the state he went to the Summit he would of been killed had he went there alone without the assistance of both Taka and Obito or BZ's interference. Sasuke's need to seek Revenge against them obviously overuled common sense. Thankfully for him there are those who would not of seen him dead lol

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The battle didn't need to go that far.Sasuke logically would have used Genjutsu the moment he first made eye contact with him,yet didn't.If he did,then yes there would be no need for his teamates to help.

Yes Sasuke needs their help,hence him forming in the first place,but in this battle he did not need their help.

At that point in the manga it's was said that he wasn't by danzo, was this before or after he killed him

Yeah,during their battle Danzo said Sasuke's Genjutsu was far below Itachi's.Itachi was the best at Genjutsu,Sasuke not being at his level yet didn't mean his Genjutsu was weak compared to everyone else.

Short, simple, effective. Good post.

It wasn't until EMS that Sasuke would have been able to track V2 Ay and catch him in a genjutsu.

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It's never shown Ay was looking directly in Sasuke's eyes. He was looking at Sasuke, but unless he looks him in the eye genjutsu won't work.

He didn't need to look in Sasuke's eyes to see the flames.

And again, it wouldn't have been "easily" like you claim. Darui was still there.



Only thing you've proven is your ability to repost the same scans repeatedly. :snick:

You are in denial,He was looking into Sasuke eyes.

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He did he know Sasuke had the Mangekyo if he didn't look into his eyes? Magic?

 

[UzumakiRyu]

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The battle didn't need to go that far.Sasuke logically would have used Genjutsu the moment he first made eye contact with him,yet didn't.If he did,then yes there would be no need for his teamates to help.

Yes Sasuke needs their help,hence him forming in the first place,but in this battle he did not need their help.

Ay would need to be frozen in place before Genjutsu worked on him because he'd just go V2 and out maneuver Sasuke's attempts.

You seriously think Sasuke would of fought the Raikage Darui and etc without asking Suigetsui/Juugo and Karin to aid him? Alone he would of got overwhelmed without the others keeping the Raikages guards occupied.

 

[Zawerni]

You are in denial,He was looking into Sasuke eyes.

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He did he know Sasuke had the Mangekyo if he didn't look into his eyes? Magic?

So glancing into his eyes for a second and noticing the Mangekyo = staring into his eyes for a prolonged period of time? Lol

 

[Ambivalence]

All it takes is a glance,and the Raikage looked into his eyes long enough to comment about it,hence the time Sasuke could have used Genjutsu,yet didn"t.It's that simple,hence why there was plot shield.

It's not like he never looked into Sasuke's eyes,and was constantly moving,and i said how come Sasuke didn't use Genjutsu.

Instead we see Sasuke casting Genjutsu when he makes eye contact with multiple people,and getting them,yet not even using it on the Raikage at the perfect opportunity.

It's not plot shield as you have no way of proving the Raikage looked directly into Sasuke's eyes and not his general vicinity, and also that he maintained eye contact long enough for the genjutsu to take place. The Sharingan's genjutsu requires direct eye contact, which was most likely not the case when Ay stared at Sasuke, and even if he did, it's not an instantaneous thing.

Everyone's basically telling you the same thing, it's as simple as MS Sasuke being unable to track Ay.

KB was fast too.

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Sasuke still got him in Genjutsu while he was moving at high speed toward him,yet while Sasuke,and the Raikage are both standing still making eye contact with one another Sasuke doesn't use Genjutsu.

V1 Bee's air-charging speed was nothing compared to V1 Ay's Shinshin speed, plus he was charging directly at Sasuke looking at him right in the eyes. The two instances really cannot be compared.

The fact remains that the only way for MS Sasuke to catch Ay in a genjutsu would be to first restrain him with V1 Susano'o, as did Madara.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Ay would need to be frozen in place before Genjutsu worked on him because he'd just go V2 and out maneuver Sasuke's attempts.

You seriously think Sasuke would of fought the Raikage Darui and etc without asking Suigetsui/Juugo and Karin to aid him? Alone he would of got overwhelmed without the others keeping the Raikages guards occupied.

His teamates were there to help him get to the summit,Karin did nothing to help Sasuke during the battle and obviously he was planning on fighting alone since he told Jogo,and Sugeitsu to stay out if this.

Eye contact is all that's needed for Sharingan Genjutsu.I have never heard of anyone out speeding eye contact....

lol

So glancing into his eyes for a second and noticing the Mangekyo = staring into his eyes for a prolonged period of time? Lol

Dude,now you are acting as if it takes prolonged periods of times to cast Sharingan Genjutsu through eye contact?

Then how did Sasuke get Manda in Genjutsu while Deidara was using his suicide explosion? Matter fact,here's a list of all the times Sasuke used Genjutsu.Let's see if it took Sasuke prologued eye contact to cast Genjutsu.

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Funny how you switched from,"Raikage didn't look into Sasuke's eyes" too,"it takes prologued eye contact to use Genjutsu",once you realize it was obvious that he did look into Sasuke's eyes.

 

[Zawerni]

Dude,now you are acting as if it takes prolonged periods of times to cast Sharingan Genjutsu through eye contact?

Then how did Sasuke get Manda in Genjutsu? Matter fact,here's a list of all the times Sasuke used Genjutsu.Let's see if it took Sasuke prologued eye contact to cast Genjutsu.

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I didn't say that. I only pointed out that Ay simply glanced and saw Mangekyo. Never did I mention it required prolonged eye contact.

You were the one claiming Ay was maintaining eye contact while waiting for Amaterasu, which isn't proven. He was looking at Sasuke, but it doesn't show if he was looking at his eyes the entire time or not.

Sasuke didn't have genjutsu prepared to use, so Ay looking at his eyes for a second didn't cause any problems.

I also never said Raikage never looked at Sasuke's eyes. Only that it wasn't shown Raikage was staring in Sasuke's eyes after noticing the Mangekyo, like you claim.

The sound of the Sasuke fapping in this thread could drown out the Chidori XD

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

It's not plot shield as you have no way of proving the Raikage looked directly into Sasuke's eyes and not his general vicinity, and also that he maintained eye contact long enough for the genjutsu to take place. The Sharingan's genjutsu requires direct eye contact, which was most likely not the case when Ay stared at Sasuke, and even if he did, it's not an instantaneous thing.

Everyone's basically telling you the same thing, it's as simple as MS Sasuke being unable to track Ay.



V1 Bee's air-charging speed was nothing compared to V1 Ay's Shinshin speed, plus he was charging directly at Sasuke looking at him right in the eyes. The two instances really cannot be compared.

The fact remains that the only way for MS Sasuke to catch Ay in a genjutsu would be to first restrain him with V1 Susano'o, as did Madara.

Itachi easily got Bee in Genjutsu mid air while he was falling down.
/while Bee was countering his attacks.

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Yet Sasuke couldn't while they were both standing still looking into each others eyes? Where was the "prolonged" eye contact with Itachi,and Bee while Itachi was mid air right after launching an attack at him?

I didn't say that. I only pointed out that Ay simply glanced and saw Mangekyo. Never did I mention it required prolonged eye contact.

You were the one claiming Ay was maintaining eye contact while waiting for Amaterasu, which isn't proven. He was looking at Sasuke, but it doesn't show if he was looking at his eyes the entire time or not.

Sasuke didn't have genjutsu prepared to use, so Ay looking at his eyes for a second didn't cause any problems.

I also never said Raikage never looked at Sasuke's eyes. Only that it wasn't shown Raikage was staring in Sasuke's eyes after noticing the Mangekyo, like you claim.

The sound of the Sasuke fapping in this thread could drown out the Chidori XD

He looked into his eye long enough to comment about it.I'm pretty sure Sasuke saw that.Answer the question.Did Sasuke prepare to use Genjutsu when taking control of Manda? In the little seconds he had,he not only summoned Manda,but casted Genjutsu on him,and jumped in his mouth to shield himself from the explosion.

Yet in a far less dangerous situation,with even more time,he couldn't use Genjutsu because it wasn't prepped?

Okay.

You make it seem like it's hard to cast Sharingan Genjutsu.

 

[Zawerni]

He looked into his eye long enough to comment about it.I'm pretty sure Sasuke saw that.Answer the question.Did Sasuke prepare to use Genjutsu when taking control if Manda? In the little seconds he had,he not only summoned Manda,but casted Genjutsu on him,and jumped in his mouth as to shield himself from the explosion.

Yet in a far less dangerous situation,with even more time,he couldn't use Genjutsu because it wasn't prepped?

Okay.

You make it seem like it's hard to cast Sharingan Genjutsu.

He glanced at his eye, then made the comment. Did he continue looking into the Mangekyo while he was making that comment? Who knows.

Sasuke summoning and then genjutsuing Manda was pure plot. Deidara commented on how Sasuke had no chakra left. Sasuke couldn't even keep his Sharingan active. Yet he summoned Manda and genjutsu'd him? Lol

I never said it was hard to cast genjutsu. But looking into the Sharingan doesn't automatically put someone in genjutsu unless the user is trying to do that. Kakashi, Itachi, Sasuke, Obito, and Madara all looked at people with their Sharingan without that other person randomly falling into genjutsu.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Because of Ay's fighting style and MS Sasuke can't track Ay's shunshin.

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In the scan you showed but misinterpreted, Madara literally had to physically restrain Ay with Susano'o in order to force him inside his genjutsu.

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Exactly this, any god speed characters won't get affected by visual genjutsu, This includes lee, gai, ay....

 

[Ambivalence]

Itachi easily got Bee in Genjutsu mid air while he was falling down.
/while Bee was counter his attacks.

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Yet Sasuke couldn't while they were both standing still looking into each others eyes? Where was the "prolonged" eye contact with Itachi,and Bee while Itachi was mid air right after launching an attack at him?

Itachi =/= Sasuke
Itachi's 3T diversion genjutsu =/= Sasuke's MS paralysis genjutsu
Base Bee =/= V1 Ay

This whole post is completely irrelevant and doesn't really counter anything I said. Your argument would have made a little sense if Itachi caught V1 Ay in a genjutsu, which he did not. I really can't believe you're resorting to comparing different individuals that have shown different genjutsu feats against different people, and those two people being base Bee and V1 Ay on top of it. Lol

Anyway, just concede, because it's starting to get funny. If it'll make it better,the fact stands that EMS Sasuke can mindrape V2 Ay with no difficulty.

Exactly this, any god speed characters won't get affected by visual genjutsu, This includes lee, gai, ay....

Lol... don't jump the gun.

Rinnegan Genjutsu negs any of the individuals listed. Any of them can be easily caught in a regular visual genjutsu if first restrained. If eye contact is maintained, EMS Sasuke can take out V2 Ay with genjutsu without even catching him with Susano'o, since he was able to track JJ Obito.

 

[Conspirator.]

Its because he couldn't catch the Raikage in Genjutsu, because he didn't have the ability to track his v2 speed effectively to maintain eye contact for the required amount of time to put him under genjutsu. Don't forget that it was MS Sasuke who was fighting Ay.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Sasuke tried, but Raikage is too fast (faster than Killer Bee).

I pretty much agree. ^^

 

[Ambivalence]

Its because he couldn't catch the Raikage in Genjutsu, because he didn't have the ability to track his v2 speed effectively to maintain eye contact for the required amount of time to put him under genjutsu. Don't forget that it was MS Sasuke who was fighting Ay.

Exactly, why is this so hard to understand? :|

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

He glanced at his eye, then made the comment. Did he continue looking into the Mangekyo while he was making that comment? Who knows.

Sasuke summoning and then genjutsuing Manda was pure plot. Deidara commented on how Sasuke had no chakra left. Sasuke couldn't even keep his Sharingan active. Yet he summoned Manda and genjutsu'd him? Lol

I never said it was hard to cast genjutsu. But looking into the Sharingan doesn't automatically put someone in genjutsu unless the user is trying to do that. Kakashi, Itachi, Sasuke, Obito, and Madara all looked at people with their Sharingan without that other person randomly falling into genjutsu.

Deidara assumed Sasuke had no chakra.Deidara is not a sensor nin,nor does he have the Sharingan to see chakra.Him assumining Sasuke doesn't have much chakra left doesn't mean he had alittle left.

Infact Deidara said that to Sasuke while Sasuke had the Sharingan,and CM stage 2 activated.

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Then Sasuke went on to use Chidori,while keeping the Sharingan activated even when explaining his well thought out strategies over the course of a few pages.Afterwards,Deidara launched an attack at Sasuke,who still had the Sharingan activated,and Sasuke countered by releasing Lightning.

Then Deidara assumes once again Sasuke is out of chakra.

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Sasuke has the Sharingan activated for a few more pages.Then he deactivates it by will,thinking the battle is over,which pisses Deidara off.

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Then he starts up his suicide explosion. Let's look back alittle earlier in that same chapter.Funny thing is,Sasuke let Deidara know he had two options to counter Deidara's explosions.

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"So i didn't need to use the other one" then Deidara starts up his suicide explosion,and Sasuke counters.Oh i wonder if summoning Manda,forcibly using Sharingan Genjutsu to control him,and using him as a shield was his other option at countering him.

Yeah,Sasuke clearly had it in mind before doing it.It wasn't random.Yet Sasuke never had using Genjutsu on the Raikage when he made eye contact planned? Yeah,sure,lol.

My point is,Sasuke and the Raikage made eye contact,Sasuke is smart enough to plan things well,and logically would have had using Sharingan Genjutsu on the Raikage if he had the chance.

He had the chance yet didn't,why? Because of plot.Sasuke has used Sharingan Genjutsu numerous times since the start of part 2,even during the Raikage battle against C,yet he doesn't use it when he could against the Raikage at the perfect oppurtunity.

 

[Gold Lightning]

You claim people have to stare in an Uchiha's eyes directly in order to get caught,yet Sasuke get all the Bijuus in Genjutsu with a single glance instantly.

You claim A was only looking at Sasuke's face.If that's the case,then how did he know Sasuke had the Mangekyo? He obviously saw it.

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That's how I know you're desperate, comparing sharingan genjutsu to sharinnegan/rikudo dojutsu Lol. Jog on pls.

I can look at a person and see their eye colour without having directly looked into their eyes. Theres a difference between looking at a person and staring directly into a persons eyes. Anyone one who lives an everyday life would know this, especially those who interact with lots of different people. I've met many friends and people yet I would never remeber their eye colors for each one, because most of them I didn't look directly into their eyes, only at them. Learn the difference. Of course judging by your number of posts, it makes sense at you don't get out much. You have almost the same number of posts as I, despite me joining here 2 yrs before.

Lastly, yes Ay saw Sasuke's eyes. Hat doesn't mean he looked directly into them, a simple glance at Sasuke's face and he'd see at his eye pattern is different.