[VS] Gai - Minato Vs. Killer Bee - Ay

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Forbidden Technique - how would they actually kill Bee though? You said that Killer Bee is overrated, but don't you think characters like Gai and Kisame can solo him?

I don't know about Minato sealing away Gyuki.

-Gyuki already is sealed inside a host, Killer Bee. Different from Kurama since Bee could just undo the transformation though that leaves him vulnerable to Hirudora. Another option is to cut off the tentacle that Minato places the seal on.
-Bee can just smash the alter before it gets sealed.
-What would Minato actually seal Bee inside of? A toad summon could work I guess but Bee can kill it with a Bijuu Wave as soon as it's summoned.
 
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Because I just find it funny how overrated Bee is.

I can certainly agree with you if you think Base Bee is overrated because he really is on this site (Let alone on Narutoforums where some think hes > V2 Ay) but his other forms, not so much.

First of all if you thought it was "LMFAO" worthy why pair him with an absolute useless Shinobi in this scenario .-.

Except Ay isn't useless. The only people who think he is overrate the shit out of Might Gai and Minato but not so much (but still overrated a bit) with Minato because portrayal and feats show he was > Ay.

7G Gai is not defeating Ay. I know its a hard pill to swallow for some but take your vitamins boys.

Inb4 scans of Gai against Madara
 

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I can certainly agree with you if you think Base Bee is overrated because he really is on this site (Let alone on Narutoforums where some think hes > V2 Ay) but his other forms, not so much.



Except Ay isn't useless. The only people who think he is overrate the shit out of Might Gai and Minato but not so much (but still overrated a bit) with Minato because portrayal and feats show he was > Ay.

7G Gai is not defeating Ay. I know its a hard pill to swallow for some but take your vitamins boys.

Inb4 scans of Gai against Madara

Lol as much as i'd like to agree with you going to need to prove that 7G Gai can't take him my man.
 

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What is this? Minato solo.

Did not already clown them both Lol. He one shot blitz A, and he make Bee pant and sweat. Without even breaking sweat.

All A do here is restirct Bee, because bee cannot go all out while A there. Make A easy target for Bunta to sit on him while Minato finish A. Couple rasengan and he not getting up. Tbb cannot be use while A on battlefield, u less he riding in top Bee. But the Hiraishin Dorai sill just redirect bombs at Bee and kill A and major damage Bee. While Bee is hurt, Kushiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no jutsu, follwed then by kage bunshin no shiki fuiin, or shisho fuin.

Gai and A non factor
I didn't mean to like this post, meant to dislike.

Team 1 win with mid-high difficulty. Ay is the weak link and doesn't compliment Bee when Bee goes BM. If Bee sticks to V2, he gets wrecked along with Ay.

BM Bee is hard to put down but he's too slow to do much and he'll be put down eventually.
 

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I didn't mean to like this post, meant to dislike.

Team 1 win with mid-high difficulty. Ay is the weak link and doesn't compliment Bee when Bee goes BM. If Bee sticks to V2, he gets wrecked along with Ay.

BM Bee is hard to put down but he's too slow to do much and he'll be put down eventually.

lol, you actually repeated one part of his post by saying ay doesn't help bee here
 

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Gai could probably solo in the 7th gate.

Minato could also probably solo with SM.

Ay has no way of touching him and once Bee is marked he's dead.
 

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Stomp thread. Minato solos them. Gai solos them. 8th Gate Gai solos them and Minato and then rapes the world.
 
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Come at me biaches. You must realise by now, your neg do nothing to me Lol

Make argument or get out, minato win this on his own. Hype, portrayal, praise fork both ay and bee, and feats say he solos.
 

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Come at me biaches. You must realise by now, your neg do nothing to me Lol

Make argument or get out, minato win this on his own. Hype, portrayal, praise fork both ay and bee, and feats say he solos.
Lol...
 
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Minato isn't soloing. Come on now Lol

Minato doesn't have the firepower to take out him out in BM, he would have to catch him in V2 and use a dumb fat Rasengan if he even hopes to take him down.
 

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Samehada's healing factor ignored but people really think Gai punches Hachibi's eye and head would put him down? Minato's Kunais may even get destroyed depending on how far it is from the blast radius of BD. Gai punching his eyes does what? Prevents from seeing? Not when Samehada grants the ability to sense like when B's ink tried to blind Kisame but he could still follow him due to sensing provided.

- Minato and Gai can't even put B down to begin with.

- Gai won't be with Minato all the time so Minato teleporting him in situations needed probably won't happen..Eventually they're going to separate to handle each opponent as they both stand a chance of Ay attacking them if they're focused on one opponent at a time. That gives B the chance to kill them as well.

- B's ink clones hold Minato's clones so the chances of the kunais spreading far away probably won't be happening.

- The FTG Barrier for 2 people is useless against this ---> , so if Minato uses that to protect himself, how about Gai? He has the speed sure but if Ay times him right, he can counter right away when Gai is focused on dodging that just like how Ay prepared to Shunsin to Minato here if he dodged . If he times it right, he'll get him since focus plays a big role.

- Eventually, they won't put B down since he can heal and take minimal damage from both. Once Gai wears out, they lose.

- Realistically, how would FTG Barrier teleport TBB aimed at the ground or even at them? Pretty sure it took at least sometime whether minimal to completely warp one as seen with the panel's SFX Once one collides with the other , it would explode killing those in the AOE. Pretty sure the Jutsu requires hand signs and Minato already started doing that before the TBB was ready or fired

- Being the fastest CQC fighter or so is useless when you can't damage or put down your opponent. Let's stop imagining B standing in one position to take a beating from both. He can at least move his tails to hit whoever is surrounding him like the clones or even his horns in some cases like how he killed Motoi's dad. They are fast but it's still risky.

High Difficulty fight for B due to his firepower and them not being able to take him down.
 
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^ Why do people think that Bijuu Wave is immune to being sucked completely in by the Space time Barrier? It's a Bijuu Dama in wave form. There is literally no aspect that'd stop it from being sucked into the barrier. None whatsoever. Not to mention teleporting a Bijuu Dama aimed towards the ground is no different from teleporting one coming at them, and Minato already warped in an . Dwarfs any Bijuu Dama B can produce. Hell. The Bijuu Dama B can use, Continuous and Standard, are dwarfed by the Bijuu Dama Minato redirected when Kurama attacked the village let alone the Juubi's, which Minato already warped away, instantlySo either way you wanna slice it, B's Bijuu Dama aren't getting past the Space Time Barrier.

And even if they do explode, Minato would have already set up markers outside of that attack's AoE. B gets hit with 4 Bijuu Dama and dies a terrible death along with Ay while Minato and Gai warp away to safety.

- Being the fastest CQC fighter or so is useless when you can't damage or put down your opponent. Let's stop imagining B standing in one position to take a beating from both. He can at least move his tails to hit whoever is surrounding him like the clones.

He can move around all he wants, but it's not going to change the fact that he will never tag Gai or Minato. Ever.

- B's ink clones hold Minato's clones so the chances of the kunais spreading far away probably won't be happening.

Fodder ink clones are never holding back Minato's Shadow Clones. Lol.

The FTG Barrier for 2 people is useless against this ---> , so if Minato uses that to protect himself, how about Gai? He has the speed sure but if Ay times him right, he can counter right away when Gai is focused on dodging that just like how Ay prepared to Shunsin to Minato here if he dodged . If he times it right, he'll get him since focus plays a big role

Why would the beam curve around the barrier when it'd be shot right towards the barrier and be sucked in? Lol. Doesn't make sense. It's fired as a laser, and then it explodes. Minato sucks it in while it's a laser just how he sucks in a normal Bijuu Dama while it's a bomb.

The only point you have is outlasting, but everything is moot. And even outlasting isn't going to happen if B tries to use Continuous Bijuu Dama here. Then there's Minato's Hakke Fuuin and Four Symbols Seal, which can put B down for good if he can land it, but the chances of that aren't very high.
 
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They can't be redirected pretty sure the Barrier was just barely finished when it was used against Kyuubi who was across the entire Village .-. S/T Barrier hype now? Its slow to create. FCD? Bee lifts his head and TBB that shit out of existence,although user has to be above the target anyways. Whether or not my knowledge on him is good or bad its enough to know he's useless here.





Lol.....Gai is arguably one of the most hyped Shinobi in the manga.

Kurama didn't have the reaction speed to do that [ ], so I have no reason to believe Bee will. The S/T Barrier isn't even necessary, so not even worth the argument here. Minato has numerous ways to deal with TBB's, as shown in the manga.

Forbidden Technique - how would they actually kill Bee though? You said that Killer Bee is overrated, but don't you think characters like Gai and Kisame can solo him?

I don't know about Minato sealing away Gyuki.

-Gyuki already is sealed inside a host, Killer Bee. Different from Kurama since Bee could just undo the transformation though that leaves him vulnerable to Hirudora. Another option is to cut off the tentacle that Minato places the seal on.
-Bee can just smash the alter before it gets sealed.
-What would Minato actually seal Bee inside of? A toad summon could work I guess but Bee can kill it with a Bijuu Wave as soon as it's summoned.

Potentially, yes. Especially Itachi.

Who say's Minato has to tag Bee's tentacle? The goal would be for them to remove all of his tails, anyways. Minato doesn't necessarily seal the whole Hachibi, but a good portion of it's chakra to weaken it like he did to Kurama (causing him to shrink in size considerably). I would imagine the scroll toad would be serviceable. Bijuu wave would be avoided easily with FTG, not to mention Gamabunta would do a decent job at occupying Bee, and making it difficult for him to accurately and successfuly firing off anything.

Samehada's healing factor ignored but people really think Gai punches Hachibi's eye and head would put him down? Minato's Kunais may even get destroyed depending on how far it is from the blast radius of BD. Gai punching his eyes does what? Prevents from seeing? Not when Samehada grants the ability to sense like when B's ink tried to blind Kisame but he could still follow him due to sensing provided.

- Minato and Gai can't even put B down to begin with.

If 7G Gai punches his eyes out, you really think in all seriousness that Bee will be capable of fighting these two speedsters effectively...? Laughable. He would have a tough time following both of their movements even with his normal eyesight in Bijuu mode, given the size comparison. Nevermind being impaired. Base Bee couldn't track Itachi's movements despite weilding Samehada, while sensors like Nagato and Naruto could. But you somehow came to the conclusion that Samehada would allow him to follow even faster opponents, smh. And just because he weilds Samehada doesn't mean he could do literally everything Kisame could with it.

They could.

- Gai won't be with Minato all the time so Minato teleporting him in situations needed probably won't happen..Eventually they're going to separate to handle each opponent as they both stand a chance of Ay attacking them if they're focused on one opponent at a time. That gives B the chance to kill them as well.

Bee will never wrecklessly use TBB while Ay is on the battlefield, number one. Number two, Hachibi mode hasn't nothing (barring AoE attacks that would also hit Ay) that would ever come close to touchin Minato and Gai. So either you're arguing that Bee refrains from going full hachibi mode and get's wrecked, or he sits there as a giant target incapable of accomplishing much.

- B's ink clones hold Minato's clones so the chances of the kunais spreading far away probably won't be happening.

Lmao, what? His ink clones are catching and holding down Kage Bunshins capable of instant teleportation? :|
Not a slight chance in hell.

- The FTG Barrier for 2 people is useless against this ---> , so if Minato uses that to protect himself, how about Gai? He has the speed sure but if Ay times him right, he can counter right away when Gai is focused on dodging that just like how Ay prepared to Shunsin to Minato here if he dodged . If he times it right, he'll get him since focus plays a big role.

So you're suggesting Bee will use that, while Minato stands and waits for it...

Bee said he can't aim properly in Hachibi mode... Reason why he used that laser against a huge target. You're suggesting that this will work when.. A) Killer Bee will successfully be able to aim it at extremely small and fast opponents he probably can't even track. B) Gai/Summons could knock it off course/prevent it from successfully being fired off. C) With FTG's versatility, there is bound to be numerous ways to avoid it; either by a , summons, Gai, or kage bunshins. As you literally said yourself, they're going to be spread apart. Minato teleports any of them to any safe location instantly. D) S/T barrier as a last resort. TBB's and all it's variants accomplish close to nothing in this fight, other then backfiring on Bee.

- Eventually, they won't put B down since he can heal and take minimal damage from both. Once Gai wears out, they lose.

A single hit from the 5 tails was enough to put a good amount of damage on Bee [ ] that put him down for awhile. But everyone is painting Bee to be literally indestructable. The output of damage between multiple V3 susano'o busting Hirudoras (in vulnerable, less durable spots), Boss summons capable of stabbing him, and cutting off limbs, and Minato possibly sealing away his chakra to weaken him is more then enough in my eyes.

- Realistically, how would FTG Barrier teleport TBB aimed at the ground or even at them? Pretty sure it took at least sometime whether minimal to completely warp one as seen with the panel's SFX Once one collides with the other , it would explode killing those in the AOE. Pretty sure the Jutsu requires hand signs and Minato already started doing that before the TBB was ready or fired

Realistically, Bee isn't firing off TBB's at the ground to blow himself up; let alone at all with Ay around to get caught in the crossfire. TBB's are countered/avoided/redirected anyways.

- Being the fastest CQC fighter or so is useless when you can't damage or put down your opponent. Let's stop imagining B standing in one position to take a beating from both. He can at least move his tails to hit whoever is surrounding him like the clones or even his horns in some cases like how he killed Motoi's dad. They are fast but it's still risky.

Lmao. V2 Jins were avoiding Bee's efforts all day long [ ], and you seriously think he's ever at any moment coming close to touching Gai and Minato. Ridiculous. They dance around him effortlessly. All Bee has going for him is using his AoE, which is handled, or sit there and try to tank out everything.
 
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^ Why do people think that Bijuu Wave is immune to being sucked completely in by the Space time Barrier? It's a Bijuu Dama in wave form. There is literally no aspect that'd stop it from being sucked into the barrier. None whatsoever. Not to mention teleporting a Bijuu Dama aimed towards the ground is no different from teleporting one coming at them, and Minato already warped in an . Dwarfs any Bijuu Dama B can produce. Hell. The Bijuu Dama B can use, Continuous and Standard, are dwarfed by the Bijuu Dama Minato redirected when Kurama attacked the village let alone the Juubi's, which Minato already warped away, instantlySo either way you wanna slice it, B's Bijuu Dama aren't getting past the Space Time Barrier.

1. Regarding the wave

- The FTG Barrier for 2 people is useless against this ---> , so if Minato uses that to protect himself, how about Gai? He has the speed sure but if Ay times him right, he can counter right away when Gai is focused on dodging that just like how Ay prepared to Shunsin to Minato here if he dodged . If he times it right, he'll get him since focus plays a big role.

- The Bijuudama Minato warped isnt near the release of the Bijuudama in the wave form. So that's not protecting both when it explodes.

- I already showed what would happen if Gai opts to dodge. The Ay point which indeed is true.


2. Minato warped it but he requires hand seal from what we saw. B's 4 BD is instant so Minato may not release it as fast before it hits somewhere close by.

And even if they do explode, Minato would have already set up markers outside of that attack's AoE. B gets hit with 4 Bijuu Dama and dies a terrible death along with Ay while Minato and Gai warp away to safety.

Clones can prevent them from doing so before B actually releases them. B can create more clones than Minato can considering his chakra so he'll most likely double team each of Minato's clone with his clones.


He can move around all he wants, but it's not going to change the fact that he will never tag Gai or Minato. Ever.

This post was a counter for those who said his tails would be cut to restrain him which was an assumption that he'll just be in one position while the clones go about cutting it.

Fodder ink clones are never holding back Minato's Shadow Clones. Lol.

Fodder? Even with their partial transformation? . Minato's clones can overpower them but not as easy if their outnumbered probably not before the BD situation happens.


Why would the beam curve around the barrier when it'd be shot right towards the barrier and be sucked in? Lol. Doesn't make sense. It's fired as a laser, and then it explodes. Minato sucks it in while it's a laser just how he sucks in a normal Bijuu Dama while it's a bomb.

The Beam explosion is bigger than what the Barrier warped so if it explodes before then, that won't cut it. This is under the belief that the BD wouldn't have exploded before it gets sucked in.

B can easily reduce the distance between him and Minato making it harder for him to actually use the barrier in some cases.

The only point you have is outlasting, but everything is moot. And even outlasting isn't going to happen if B tries to use Continuous Bijuu Dama here. Then there's Minato's Hakke Fuuin and Four Symbols Seal, which can put B down for good if he can land it, but the chances of that aren't very high.


They can't damage B so there's really no point since they'll lose even if your point holds regarding the BD. B can heal from the injuries as well. Their only hope is shaky which involves B using his technique to hurt himself and that depends on the distance he uses the blast from. Gai in the end would end up feeling the side effect and once that happens, he dies. Don't see them damaging B so he'll win.

Plus if he has Samehada, why can't he release spikes from his body to disrupt Gai's punches especially?

@FT where did you get me saying he'll actually hit them? I said it's risky since he'll be stubbornly and recklessly moving all over the place due to being attacked? Does that mean they can't dodge his attack? Not to mention the main point of that was to actually respond to claims about clones just cutting his tails why he's supposedly sitting still. Not gonna juggle you and KG because I won't be active frequently around this time.

Me saying Samehada would be there for sensing was to grant him anything lost with his eyes. Not necessarily following their speed actually. Also, What can't he do with Samehada that Kisame could? Or you mean Zetsu could?
 
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Minato can take this alone U_U

It's essentially Minato vs Bee. Someone tell me how Ay makes a difference here? He can't try and blitz Minato because he'll get ftg feinted and blitzed. Honestly I don't know why Bijuu mode is being mentioned here, that is almost suicidal on Bees part, not only does it make him a huge and easy target (Ms Sasuke almost one shotted him cuz of BM), it restricts Ay and vice versa. Bee cannot use big attacks while Ay is fighting Minato, or Ay will have to ride on top of Bee while Hes launching big moves. People need to realise that team 2 can't have it both ways. Bee cannot go all out with Ay, and Bee can only go all out with Ay out of the way.

Shadow clones are important, they need to set up the markings at the beginning, around the battlefield. Minato got round the juubi fast enough that no one saw. So setting up markings at a large distance around Gyuki is child's play. Clones also mark Bee easily in BM,this is inevitable. One TBB and that gets redirected right on Bee, which will damage him greatly and kill Ay in the process. That's assuming Ay riding on Bee. If not, and Ay attacks Minato directly, then he gets marked and a couple Rasengans put him down. No need to worry about bees interference because Minatos clone can keep him at bay.

Point is, Ay is slightly a non factor and is only a burden to Bee. Imo, their chances are higher if bee doesn't use BM and only goes up to v1 and v2 and hey tag team him. But again, that won't work cuz shadow clones ftw.

Those who think Minato cannot stop Bee or "put him down" :| why is it that people think massive fire power and mountain busters are required to take certain opponents down. Minato has all the tools, Flying Thunder God: Guiding Thunder, is a space time barrier that INSTANLY suctions the objects that come into contact with. Doesn't matter if it's a massive tbb, continuous tbb or a Bijuu wave, they all pass through the barrier and are redirected right at Bee. If Bee tries to aim at the ground, then Minato teleports to one of the kunai behind Bee, that his clone set up in the distance. Either way, Bee will be damaging himself this fights. If hat least 1 tbb is redirected at bee, his strength and duration in BM is cut in half, it's only a matter of time before he reverts back, and at that point he'll be too weakened.

Gamabunta is such a key factor. He's agile and faster than Gyuki. Jumping over him and getting out of the way of tbb shouldn't be too hard, and with Minato above him, space time barrier is always an option. Toad oil Bullet is extremely sticky and is good for restraining targets as well. They need to weaken bee, so toad sword beheading comes to mind, severing bees tails makes him vulnerable and weaker. Or just simply use food cart destroyer right off the bat, same move that kept 100% Kurama pinned down. Bunta can use toad oil for extra restraint. Then all that's left is sealing (who said he needs to actually destroy bee smh). 4 Symbols seal (mainly used for giant enemies and evil spirits), can seal a Bee into a human or object. Gerotora scroll should suffice or any scroll, or seal him into a toad. Or simply extract the Bijuu using RDS.

End of the day, BM Bee can't touch minato, was even struggling with some of the v2 Jins. None of which are anywhere close to as fast as Minato. Minatos clone easily marks Ay, even if it means sacrificing the clone to do it. All Minatos efforts and chakra should be focused on Bee. Tbb are ineffective, and big target makes for simpler work.
 

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^^This guy thinks Minato solos Ay and B? Oh yeah it's that same user.

OT: I change my mind...I think Team 1 can take it.
 

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^^This guy thinks Minato solos Ay and B? Oh yeah it's that same user.

OT: I change my mind...I think Team 1 can take it.

Yep, because Ay is a non factor and bee can't deal with Minatos space time ninjutsu. Nothing valid to say? Then don't say anything.
 

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minato and gai win without much effort. ay doesn't really matter here, as both gai and minato dodge him effortlessly and can both put him down. bee should cause trouble but minato can weaken him significantly with 4 symbols seal which would have more of an affect of gyuuki than kurama due to difference in power. after that minato can have gamabunta cut his tails off making him even weaker via teleporting bunta directly behind him. bee would eventually have no choice but to revert to base form in which he gets destroyed by the both of them. minato hard counters tbb it's a nonfactor.
 
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