Base Kabuto vs Kisame

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First of all. Putting him down is going to be tough considering he has Karin's auto healing ability

Thought her ability only healed others.....hence why she got pawned by chidori

, and Orochimaru's Oral Rebirth and White Snake Power.

He's only shown to be able to use one Oral Rebirth however I guess its not fair to judge as he got trolled. Anyways i'll use my arguments for Oro, what people don't realize is that Oral rebirth creates the new body from the cells of the old, if used underwater his air supply won't come back...so he'll drown regardless, as you can't create new air from cells. White snake power? Doubt it can swim faster than Kisame so it gets its chakra absorbed rather easily.

Second of all, he still has access to the Sound 5's techniques. Sound Genjutsu to catch Kisame off guard for a finishing technique. The fact that Kisame needs to fight CQC to actually kill Kabuto doesn't help much either, and even then he has Oral Rebirth if he takes a wound that'd normally be impossible to heal. Then there's the fact he can use Sakon's jutsu to make a copy of Orochimaru's True Form, and once it's blood is exposed, Kisame is paralyzed and dies a terrible death.

Does he really? Huh didn't know that, well Tayuya's genjutsu requires air to blow the flute, so underwater its useless again. Kisame def has the speed advantage underwater,although whats his counter to 1000 sharks? Not necessarily true, pretty sure Oro's poison used air to carry itself as its gaseous...even if its not it was so small it wasn't visible so water disperses it easily. Not to mention pretty sure gils can filter it out, just like it did with B's ink.

Water Dome isn't really of any help since Kabuto has a snake form he can turn into, and snakes can travel underwater. Combine that with his ability to split into numerous snakes and even turn into fluid, and you have him making an extremely easy escape.
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Kisame does have clones however I forget if it was just Zabuza's that couldn't travel past a few meters away. So there is that, then he can summon sharks that would devour all snakes as we all know Sharks swim faster than snakes.

He's almost, if not, Oro+, and I think Oro has a chance to defeat Kisame without Daikodan. He'd have issues taking out Manda AND Kabuto without Daikodan.

Manda is dead....but yeah no, Oro still gets pawned my man, especially without Zetsu abilities.

Though I might change my mind depending on what is presented.

You probably should my man, Water Dome shits on this guy, and I just used the most extreme counters pretty sure simpler ones are available
 

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Thought her ability only healed others.....hence why she got pawned by chidori

No she has healed herself before, Spiral Zestu put his spikes into her body and she bit herself and healed.
 

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No she has healed herself before, Spiral Zestu put his spikes into her body and she bit herself and healed.

Ah I see, well it clearly doesn't work for bad injuries, questionable if it can restore her own chakra.
 

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Ah I see, well it clearly doesn't work for bad injuries, questionable if it can restore her own chakra.

Its pretty good however if Kabuto is unable to activate the technique then it wont work. Its not like Tsunade's regeneration which works on its own. I am pretty sure Kabuto will need to bite himself to activate.
 

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Its pretty good however if Kabuto is unable to activate the technique then it wont work. Its not like Tsunade's regeneration which works on its own. I am pretty sure Kabuto will need to bite himself to activate.

Doesn't he contain venom in his bite, or something def if its his true form Lol....Seeing as venom activation is a reflex in snakes.....he might end up poisoning himself.


^Theoretical of course
 
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Lmao, forget it guys. Kabuto needs Sage Mode to use the powers of the Sound 5 and Taka. At best he can only use Oro's generic snake hands and Oral Rebirth.

Forget it. Lol

@Zex: Zetsu Oro might beat Kisame. Him getting pawned is definitely a laughable notion though.
 

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Lmao, forget it guys. Kabuto needs Sage Mode to use the powers of the Sound 5 and Taka. At best he can only use Oro's generic snake hands and Oral Rebirth.

Forget it. Lol

@Zex: Zetsu Oro might beat Kisame. Him getting pawned is definitely a laughable notion though.

He can use Taka abilities without SM but not sound 5. He wouldnt be able to enter DSM without Juugo's ability to gather natural energy.
 

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Lmao, forget it guys. Kabuto needs Sage Mode to use the powers of the Sound 5 and Taka. At best he can only use Oro's generic snake hands and Oral Rebirth.

Forget it. Lol

are you joking? ._.
 

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He can use Taka abilities without SM but not sound 5. He wouldnt be able to enter DSM without Juugo's ability to gather natural energy.

Yeah, you have a point there. Healing and Liquid are abilities he made for himself, and he acquired Jugo's ability somehow.

are you joking? ._.

No, it's a fact. Lol. At least for the Sound 5. DB4 confirmed this. Den'ien'ei is the jutsu that lets him use their power, and it's Senjutsu.
 

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First of all. Putting him down is going to be tough considering he has Karin's auto healing ability, and Orochimaru's Oral Rebirth and White Snake Power. Second of all, he still has access to the Sound 5's techniques. Sound Genjutsu to catch Kisame off guard for a finishing technique.
@The Bold, for those using conventional means, yes. Kisame's more than capable of killing through attrition or reducing him to a weak enough state that he can't fight back, like with Killer Bee. Sound Genjutsu won't last more then a few moments at best, with the absolute worst coming from Kisame snapping out of it with induced pain. Biting heavily into his lip or tongue similar to what he did against the mind probing breaks him out of it, Samehada heals him from the damage. Genjutsu's a very small factor in the overall battle and will be at best momentary distractions. If any Mizu Bunshin are up, they easily snap Kisame from the genjutsu. Kidomaru's webs aren't doing much, seeing as the chakra inside will either be absorbed quickly or Kisame ducks further down in a suiton pool he made, avoiding them. Kimimaro's bones are only really useful in the sense that digital shrapnel might catch Kisame off guard, but the guy was dodging Bee's attacks. Kimimaro's aren't ground breaking in terms of speed. Jirobo has nothing to offer, and Tayuya's genjutsu won't have a long lasting effect on him.

The fact that Kisame needs to fight CQC to actually kill Kabuto doesn't help much either, and even then he has Oral Rebirth if he takes a wound that'd normally be impossible to heal. Then there's the fact he can use Sakon's jutsu to make a copy of Orochimaru's True Form, and once it's blood is exposed, Kisame is paralyzed and dies a terrible death.
But he doesn't need to openly shred his skin in some cases, and others he doesn't need to directly fight him at all. A thousand feeding sharks present a large force that'll be able to either momentarily bind Kabuto if he's stuck in the water dome, or bite into his body. Not to mention that the , if he's in the dome or under the water (Where Kisame is likely to be,) then Kabuto's poison isn't effected him. Oral rebirth's a chakra sapping technique, might seem petty considering Kabuto's reserves, but when each solid contact with your foe or if you come too close to his weapon, pending on form. Yeah, it all adds up.
Water Dome isn't really of any help since Kabuto has a snake form he can turn into, and snakes can travel underwater. Combine that with his ability to split into numerous snakes and even turn into fluid, and you have him making an extremely easy escape.

He's almost, if not, Oro+, and I think Oro has a chance to defeat Kisame without Daikodan. He'd have issues taking out Manda AND Kabuto without Daikodan.

Though I might change my mind depending on what is presented.
The snakes can, but who's to say at which speed the snakes move underwater? Faster then a fused Kisame? Quicker then biological or suiton formed Sharks? Very difficult when they haven't been properly introduced to that environment to display that ability. Take away the fact that the Dome is massive, there's no where to hide. Kisame easily snacks and catches on them one after the other. Literally a few seconds of contact with one or decisive damage given on top of that will end 'em. Suiton sharks, a thousand or so, can be used to block off the exists of the dome or even a smaller set to perform the purpose of the technique. .

Kabuto's technique is not the same as the Hozuki ability, Kabuto relies on turning his body into a liquid based on the . It's not nearly as instant, the likely hood of it being able to fuse with bodys of water even lower, and it'll leave the snakes in a similar disposition in the dome or any size of suiton to that of the jelly fish, being carried around by whatever current, tide, or force can throw it around. If Manda confronts Kisame in the Dome or when he's fused, the snake doesn't stand a chance. Physical contact with Kisame in those instances is the worst thing someone can do, even if he has a formidable reserve, he's not leaving with most of his chakra, with Kisame being a more agile opponent and harder to lock onto then someone of his own size.

Edit: Well shit. Came late to the party. .
 

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No, it's a fact. Lol. At least for the Sound 5. DB4 confirmed this. Den'ien'ei is the jutsu that lets him use their power, and it's Senjutsu.

ohh.. i just searched and read about that. this makes base Kabuto way less haxx than i thought he was.

Hm. The ninjutsu Kabuto uses to manifest the Sound Five and Orochimaru from his body is a senjutsu / ninjutsu called Denienei (伝異遠影), which I believe is supposed to sound like "DNA." The kanji literally means "tradition strange distant shadow," and could be roughly be interpreted as "the strange shadows passed down over a long time."

I'll have to look into this entry in greater detail.

Okay, Kabuto's technique, Den'ien'ei (den-i-en-ei, to make the kana clear), says he infused himself with the cells of each member of the Sound Five, allowing him to use Attack of the Twin Demons; by infusing himself with their cells, he gained the ability to freely use their jutsu, talents, and kekkei genkai. It says that he uses Attack of the Twin Demons to manifest their upper torsos from his own torso, which allows him move independantly while unleashing their skills, so he can fight and move strategically at the same time. This gives him access to a stunning array of abilities.
 
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Kabuto can't liquefy himself fully like Suigetsu and Trollkage can, so that isn't going to work.
 

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Lol what am I reading in this thread?
So many misconceptions, I dont even want to bother addressing every single one of them.

OP: I suggest you restrict Senjutsu chakra all together if you want a match up. Restricting SM just means they can't balance their chakra to enter the state. We already know Oro is a prime example that characters can handle senjutsu chakra without the need to go SM. If you dont then this battle is super easy for Kabuto as he doesn't need to balance the chakra, he can simply just feed it to Kisame.

OT: (Assuming utilizing natural energy is restricted all together) Kabuto still wins mid diff. Just maybe high diff
 

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Lol what am I reading in this thread?
So many misconceptions, I dont even want to bother addressing every single one of them.

OP: I suggest you restrict Senjutsu chakra all together if you want a match up. Restricting SM just means they can't balance their chakra to enter the state. We already know Oro is a prime example that characters can handle senjutsu chakra without the need to go SM. If you dont then this battle is super easy for Kabuto as he doesn't need to balance the chakra, he can simply just feed it to Kisame.

OT: (Assuming utilizing natural energy is restricted all together) Kabuto still wins mid diff. Just maybe high diff

Either you are overestimating Kabuto or severely underestimating Kisame. Base Kabuto does not take this.
 

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Either you are overestimating Kabuto or severely underestimating Kisame. Base Kabuto does not take this.

Um no, your just severely overestimating Kisame for this match up specifically.

Base Kabuto feeds him Senjutsu or simply uses Sakon and kill him there.
While Suiton is absolutely useless in this match.
 

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Can Tsunade beat base Kabuto?

Of course what is base Kabuto going to do to her?

Um no, your just severely overestimating Kisame for this match up specifically.

Base Kabuto feeds him Senjutsu or simply uses Sakon and kill him there.
While Suiton is absolutely useless in this match.

Kisame swings Samehada, Kabuto liquefies, Kisame cuts through the water and take a load of chakra from Kabuto. Keeps swinging Kabuto either liquefies and has his chakra drained or gets hurt and needs to heal.
 
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He can use Taka abilities without SM but not sound 5. He wouldnt be able to enter DSM without Juugo's ability to gather natural energy.

uh. Why can't he use Sound 5's abilities in base..?
Also, he can enter DSM with or without Juugo's ability. You know, because he learned how to enter DSM... Juugo's ability grants him the very convenient effect of not having to stand still to gather natural energy, and he'll never run out of natural energy.
 

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uh. Why can't he use Sound 5's abilities in base..?
Also, he can enter DSM with or without Juugo's ability. You know, because he learned how to enter DSM... Juugo's ability grants him the very convenient effect of not having to stand still to gather natural energy, and he'll never run out of natural energy.

Hm. The ninjutsu Kabuto uses to manifest the Sound Five and Orochimaru from his body is a senjutsu / ninjutsu called Denienei (伝異遠影), which I believe is supposed to sound like "DNA." The kanji literally means "tradition strange distant shadow," and could be roughly be interpreted as "the strange shadows passed down over a long time."

I'll have to look into this entry in greater detail.

Okay, Kabuto's technique, Den'ien'ei (den-i-en-ei, to make the kana clear), says he infused himself with the cells of each member of the Sound Five, allowing him to use Attack of the Twin Demons; by infusing himself with their cells, he gained the ability to freely use their jutsu, talents, and kekkei genkai. It says that he uses Attack of the Twin Demons to manifest their upper torsos from his own torso, which allows him move independantly while unleashing their skills, so he can fight and move strategically at the same time. This gives him access to a stunning array of abilities.

Yeah I guess but we dont how good he is at gathering senjustu by himself as all we have seen is Kabuto using Jugo's ability. There is nothing to judge on that basis.
 

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Yeah I guess but we dont how good he is at gathering senjustu by himself as all we have seen is Kabuto using Jugo's ability. There is nothing to judge on that basis.

That says nothing about Kabuto needing Senjutsu to use the Sound 5 and Orochimaru... Which base are you thinking of? No DNA Kabuto?

im still not following you. There's nothing to suggest he couldn't enter Sage Mode on his own without using Juugo's ability. It'd only take much longer.
The requirement for entering Sage Mode is having a very strong body. Which, after his experiments and DNA transfusions, he obviously has.
 
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