Base Kabuto vs Kisame

[RedRobin]

That says nothing about Kabuto needing Senjutsu to use the Sound 5 and Orochimaru... Which base are you thinking of? No DNA Kabuto?

im still not following you. There's nothing to suggest he couldn't enter Sage Mode on his own without using Juugo's ability. It'd only take much longer.
The requirement for entering Sage Mode is having a very strong body. Which, after his experiments and DNA transfusions, he obviously has.

Hm. The ninjutsu Kabuto uses to manifest the Sound Five and Orochimaru from his body is a senjutsu / ninjutsu called Denienei (伝異遠影), which I believe is supposed to sound like "DNA." The kanji literally means "tradition strange distant shadow," and could be roughly be interpreted as "the strange shadows passed down over a long time."

I'll have to look into this entry in greater detail.

Okay, Kabuto's technique, Den'ien'ei (den-i-en-ei, to make the kana clear), says he infused himself with the cells of each member of the Sound Five, allowing him to use Attack of the Twin Demons; by infusing himself with their cells, he gained the ability to freely use their jutsu, talents, and kekkei genkai. It says that he uses Attack of the Twin Demons to manifest their upper torsos from his own torso, which allows him move independantly while unleashing their skills, so he can fight and move strategically at the same time. This gives him access to a stunning array of abilities.

Kabuto with DNA but did Kabuto inject himself with their DNA before or after he went to the Great sage snake?

Exactly we dont know if he ever learned to mold sage chakra on his own. We also dont know the extent of which he can mold sage chakra, we cant just assume he cant mold chakra like Naruto.

 

[HiddenSound]

Kabuto with DNA but did Kabuto inject himself with their DNA before or after he went to the Great sage snake?

Exactly we dont know if he ever learned to mold sage chakra on his own. We also dont know the extent of which he can mold sage chakra, we cant just assume he cant mold chakra like Naruto.

Gotcha. Still, it saying Senjutsu/Ninjutsu doesn't confirm it being exclusive to Sage Mode. The "ninjutsu" part is what I'm basing that on. It is no doubt a Senjutsu/boosted by Senjutsu while in SM.
Kabuto knows how to enter SM on his own. He meets the requirement of having a strong body. Juugo's ability helps him enter it much faster, while moving around. Why can't we assume it if he meets the requirements and knows how to enter SM?

 

[KidGamer65]

Gotcha. Still, it saying Senjutsu/Ninjutsu doesn't confirm it being exclusive to Sage Mode. The "ninjutsu" part is what I'm basing that on. It is no doubt a Senjutsu/boosted by Senjutsu while in SM.
Kabuto knows how to enter SM on his own. He meets the requirement of having a strong body. Juugo's ability helps him enter it much faster, while moving around. Why can't we assume it if he meets the requirements and knows how to enter SM?

It does. If it were a Ninjutsu boosted by Senjutsu Chakra, then it would be Senjutsu: or Senpo: "Jutsu Name". Not just a jutsu name. It's called Senjutsu/Ninjutsu because Senjutsu ARE Ninjutsu, but with Senjutsu Chakra inside.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It does. If it were a Ninjutsu boosted by Senjutsu Chakra, then it would be Senjutsu: or Senpo: "Jutsu Name". Not just a jutsu name. It's called Senjutsu/Ninjutsu because Senjutsu ARE Ninjutsu, but with Senjutsu Chakra inside.

That doesnt mean anything that states that being in Sage Mode is requirement to activate, nor does it logically make sense for it to be needed for this technique.

We also have Myōjinmon having its own DB page which stated to be SM mode tech, dispite already seen manga of Base Hashirama performing it in lower scale.

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Sage Art: Gracious Deity Gates (仙法・明神門, Senpō: Myōjinmon)

Sealing technique that kneads together natural energy and Chakra in the user's body to create gates that restrain the target.

Of course what is base Kabuto going to do to her?

Lol

Kisame swings Samehada, Kabuto liquefies, Kisame cuts through the water and take a load of chakra from Kabuto. Keeps swinging Kabuto either liquefies and has his chakra drained or gets hurt and needs to heal.

I like how your premise is to have Kabuto do something that stupid and completely ignore my premise.

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[Demonic.]

That doesnt mean anything that states that being in Sage Mode is requirement to activate, nor does it logically make sense for it to be needed for this technique.

We also have Myōjinmon having its own DB page which stated to be SM mode tech, dispite already seen manga of Base Hashirama performing it in lower scale.

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Lol



I like how your premise is to have Kabuto do something that stupid and completely ignore my premise.

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When did Base Hashirama perform Gracious Deity Gates? Don't recall that.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

When did Base Hashirama perform Gracious Deity Gates? Don't recall that.

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Thanks. Now I'm wondering how Madara absorbed Hashirama's Senjutsu while Hashirama was seemingly in base :|

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[Brother Numpsay]

Thanks. Now I'm wondering how Madara absorbed Hashirama's Senjutsu while Hashirama was seemingly in base :|

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. But it gets more complicated to explain. But base on this premise, Kabuto does not need to enter Sage Mode to use Senjutsu chakra. So Kisame simply turns to stone for attempting to absorb his chakra.

 

[Zexion~]

Lol so what exactly are you saying will happen to Kisame when he absorbs Kabuto's chakra? He's in base..

Even if he was in DSM...what do you propose happens Lol. Pretty sure Madara absorbed some Sage chakra without any repercussion...pretty sure only Toad SM is problematic for absorption.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol so what exactly are you saying will happen to Kisame when he absorbs Kabuto's chakra? He's in base..

I stated nothing about Kisame having problems absorbing Kabuto's chakra. I stated Kisame will have a problem absorbing too much Senjutsu chakra/natural energy that Kabuto can mold/make.

Even if he was in DSM...what do you propose happens Lol.

Never stated using something thats restricted to begin with. If you want to propose what happens, prepare a massive rapeage match up.

Pretty sure Madara absorbed some Sage chakra without any repercussion...

Except Madara =/= Kisame. Nor is the scenario comparable. Hashirama's cells are fused with Madara, which made his body handle Senjutsu chakra because of Hashriama's cells, no if, ands, or buts.

pretty sure only Toad SM is problematic for absorption.

No Sage attributes has nothing to due with natural energy itself. If I were to use this logic,

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(Since snake training = toad training). So no matter what excuse you make doesn't change its facts.

 

[RedRobin]

That doesnt mean anything that states that being in Sage Mode is requirement to activate, nor does it logically make sense for it to be needed for this technique.

We also have Myōjinmon having its own DB page which stated to be SM mode tech, dispite already seen manga of Base Hashirama performing it in lower scale.

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Lol



I like how your premise is to have Kabuto do something that stupid and completely ignore my premise.

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. But it gets more complicated to explain. But base on this premise, Kabuto does not need to enter Sage Mode to use Senjutsu chakra. So Kisame simply turns to stone for attempting to absorb his chakra.

You realize that none of what you are saying makes sense right? Like none of your points add up to anything

Where was the senjustu in Hashirama, he couldnt move. There was no way there was any senjustu in him if he couldnt control his body especially if he was not in sage mode, any senjustu he would have made would have left his body since he could not control it. Must have been a drawing mistake on Kishimoto's part.

Orochimaru was able to use a tiny bit of senjustu and it only worked when he put it into curse marks. He never was able to produce enough in battle to make it useful and add it to his attacks, Kabuto wont either.

Pain path turned to stone because he absorbed all of Naruto's senjustu in one go right from the body. Kisame will be taking bits here and there. Madara already showed to take the senjutu from an FRS and being fine. As well as another pain taking a Odama rasengan and not turning to stone. Kabuto will not be making enough senjustu to turn anything to stone.

Of course senjustu can be utilized without going into SM, you need to gather senjustu before even going into SM. But this BS about Kabuto just using senjustu like he would if he was in SM even though he isnt is not going to work.

 

[Zexion~]

I stated nothing about Kisame having problems absorbing Kabuto's chakra. I stated Kisame will have a problem absorbing too much Senjutsu chakra/natural energy that Kabuto can mold/make.



Never stated using something thats restricted to begin with. If you want to propose what happens, prepare a massive rapeage match up.



Except Madara =/= Kisame. Nor is the scenario comparable. Hashirama's cells are fused with Madara, which made his body handle Senjutsu chakra because of Hashriama's cells, no if, ands, or buts.



No Sage attributes has nothing to due with natural energy itself. If I were to use this logic,

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(Since snake training = toad training). So no matter what excuse you make doesn't change its facts.

They said the places are similar .-. But yeah I see about the Madara thing now.

You still haven't told me whats going to happen when Kisame absorbs that Sage Chakra..Stone Snake? Either way unlike Preta Samehada will stop absorbing if its getting to be too much.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You realize that none of what you are saying makes sense right? Like none of your points add up to anything

Only realizes that your just clueless on how to interpret.

Where was the senjustu in Hashirama, he couldnt move. There was no way there was any senjustu in him if he couldnt control his body especially if he was not in sage mode, any senjustu he would have made would have left his body since he could not control it. Must have been a drawing mistake on Kishimoto's part.

Or maybe that you failed to read manga and making excuses to attempt to prove me wrong. Kishimoto makes sure to fix mistakes in volume cover version. No mistakes here.

Orochimaru was able to use a tiny bit of senjustu and it only worked when he put it into curse marks. He never was able to produce enough in battle to make it useful and add it to his attacks, Kabuto wont either.

Lol "tiny bit", which greatly increase Kabuto's binding power of 30+ Edo's plus the fact taking it back from Kabuto bought him back to his original power/state. Not only can you properly read manga you cant even prperly read my points. I have never ever stated that Kabuto will use Senjutsu chakra into his attacks. I clearly stated he can mold them for Kisame to absorb. As you premise is to have Kisame use physical contact to suck him dry.

Pain path turned to stone because he absorbed all of Naruto's senjustu in one go right from the body. Kisame will be taking bits here and there. Madara already showed to take the senjutu from an FRS and being fine. As well as another pain taking a Odama rasengan and not turning to stone. Kabuto will not be making enough senjustu to turn anything to stone.

So? Irrelvent to how much he will need to absorb as it doesn't change my premise, which you state of Kisame's victory. Your premise is to have Kabuto sucked dry, while I stated he will only be feeding him Senjutsu chakra he molded internally.

Of course senjustu can be utilized without going into SM, you need to gather senjustu before even going into SM. But this BS about Kabuto just using senjustu like he would if he was in SM even though he isnt is not going to work.

Good thing I have never ever stated this in my premise, base on the first quote I reply to, its you who can't read, not that my argument wasnt making sense

They said the places are similar .-. But yeah I see about the Madara thing now.

You still haven't told me whats going to happen when Kisame absorbs that Sage Chakra..Stone Snake? Either way unlike Preta Samehada will stop absorbing if its getting to be too much.

Yes Snake Stone. How will he know that he needs to stop absorbing it? How will he know to stop absorbing too much when it craves quality/quantity of chakra?

 

[Zexion~]

Yes Snake Stone. How will he know that he needs to stop absorbing it? How will he know to stop absorbing too much when it craves quality/quantity of chakra?

:| Pretty sure either it or Kisame can tell somethings going wrong .-.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

:| Pretty sure either it or Kisame can tell somethings going wrong .-.

The only way they find out what wrong is when they find out they can't balence it. Just like Naruto's training.

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[Zexion~]

The only way they find out what wrong is when they find out they can't balence it. Just like Naruto's training.

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You word things so weirdly...but anyways this is all under the assumption that he can generate more SM then Kisame's absorbance rate,which if your statement about Toad and Snake SM being basically the same he'd need to be standing still would he not?


Well Actually...Idk I was assuming SM in anyways was restricted ****ing hate that shit Lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You word things so weirdly...but anyways this is all under the assumption that he can generate more SM then Kisame's absorbance rate,which if your statement about Toad and Snake SM being basically the same he'd need to be standing still would he not?

Everyones premise was to have Kisame suck Kabuto dry to begin with, which he will have to be in that position. Trapped in Water Dome or simply bit by bit out of Dome, really doesn't matter.

And the fact that Kabuto uses Juugo DNA to remove that weakness to stand still.

Well Actually...Idk I was assuming SM in anyways was restricted ****ing hate that shit Lol

It is restricted. IF you read the rest of my post you would notice I was providing prove that you dont need SM to utilize Senjutsu chakra. SM is a state/mode when you balance your internal chakra with natural energy. Thats why I said to OP restrict Senjutsu chakra all together if you want a match.

 

[New Dawn]

Kisame shaves the insides of kabuwho?'s a-hole with samehada.

 

[Zexion~]

Everyones premise was to have Kisame suck Kabuto dry to begin with, which he will have to be in that position. Trapped in Water Dome or simply bit by bit out of Dome, really doesn't matter.

And the fact that Kabuto uses Juugo DNA to remove that weakness to stand still. .

Dome itself doesn't drain anything.

Yes...oh I see what you're saying, you're saying he would generate the nature energy/SM Shit while Kisame was absorbing him? Idk Kisame's absorption seemed to be quicker than Preta....6 tails of Bijuu chakra in seconds. Tough to even say he could generate enough nature energy to completely halt Kisame.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Dome itself doesn't drain anything.

Dont feel like going through this plus irrelevant to the majority nor mine point here.

Yes...oh I see what you're saying, you're saying he would generate the nature energy/SM Shit while Kisame was absorbing him? Idk Kisame's absorption seemed to be quicker than Preta....6 tails of Bijuu chakra in seconds. Tough to even say he could generate enough nature energy to completely halt Kisame.

Even though feats show Preta being superior, whatever quicker or slower is irrelevant. Kabuto mastered SM so generating nature energy isn't difficult at all.

Kisame shaves the insides of kabuwho?'s a-hole with samehada.

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