Base Kabuto vs Kisame

[Brother Numpsay]

Never said it was a strawman.

Then you should, cause you can't selectively apply the term Senpo to two different meanings.

Lets break down why you think I can't.

"Senpo" is there for one reason.

One could say, due to the character using Senjutsu chakra to fight, yes.

You said it's because it indicates an original technique,

No I said it indicates two things. Making a new art form or boosting pre existing art form. (continue)

but the fact unoriginal Senjutsu techniques have that "Senpo" thrown in there is proof that "senpo" isn't only used for original Senjutsu techs. Whether or not we know if they have a base form doesn't matter.

Which is basically repeating my premise.

Lol, you said my examples were based on 2, so it doesn't discredit your point. So I brought an example for 1.

Ok. But my premise bring evidence that an orignal Senjutsu move will always have Senpou on it. Which is why I brought forth MA and PA as examples. Despite them having orignal Senpou, they weren't named until DB. We know now that orignal Senjutsu will always have Senpou on it, is my point.

And there is no proof for that. You said that Senpo is used for techniques that are only original, but Manga proves that wrong.

No I didn't say Bold. I gave two reasons for Senpou usage in manga.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok. But my premise bring evidence that an orignal Senjutsu move will always have Senpou on it. Which is why I brought forth MA and PA as examples. Despite them having orignal Senpou, they weren't named until DB. We know now that orignal Senjutsu will always have Senpou on it, is my point.

Ok then. Doesn't change the fact that you literally have no proof that there is a Base form of Denienei.

Despite them having orignal Senpou, they weren't named until DB. We know now that orignal Senjutsu will always have Senpou on it, is my point.

Not relevant first of all. Them not being named until the DB doesn't change the fact that Senpo was never said in the Manga, yet the jutsu is an original Senjutsu technique.

Fighting Tongue* Bind (舌戦縛, Zessenbaku)
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, No rank, Offensive, Supplementary, All ranges
Shima

A sticky acid that dissolves all detected creatures
A tongue binding that makes it impossible to move!!

By using senjutsu chakra, Shima's tongue has grown to its utmost limit and has been shaped like a face. It then scents out the peculiar stink released by living beings. When the target's location has been discovered, the tongue extends with terrifying speed. With it whip-like flexibility, it ties up the target and dissolves it with a highly acidic mucus released from the warts.

[picture of Shima shooting out her tongue]
[picture of Pain's chameleon summon being caught]
↑→In contrast to Fukasaku's "Fighting Tongue Slash," Shima's tongue is highly flexible!! The captured target is dissolved with a highly acidic mucus while still alive.

*Zessen is written with the kanji for "tongue" and "battle". It can be translated as "To battle with tongues". I decided to lay the emphasis on the use of tongues, turning it into "fighting tongue". In normal use, however, it means "war of words," or "verbal dispute". Just like Fukasaku and Shima are having all the time.

Then there's the fact that the same tech you are talking about has no "Senpo". It's only "Zessenbaku". So you are still wrong. Senpo doesn't indicate an original Senjutsu technique. Never has, never will.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ok then. Doesn't change the fact that you literally have no proof that there is a Base form of Denienei.




Not relevant first of all. Them not being named until the DB doesn't change the fact that Senpo was never said in the Manga, yet the jutsu is an original Senjutsu technique.



Then there's the fact that the same tech you are talking about has no "Senpo". It's only "Zessenbaku". So you are still wrong. Senpo doesn't indicate an original Senjutsu technique. Never has, never will.

I concede my point. Kabuto still wins tho

 

[Great Master Minato]

Son, Kabuto ain't doing shit against Kisame.
Also, why don't you think a sharingan user can't dodge FTG? Tobirama and Madara (Before he 'died' at VOTE) have fought many times, going by your logic means Tobirama could easily kill Madara since Madara couldn't 'react' To Ftg.
**** outta here son.

Oh yeah? then tell why 2 MS users handed their asses to 2 FTG users after they got blitzed?

 

[Draegod]

First of all. Putting him down is going to be tough considering he has Karin's auto healing ability, and Orochimaru's Oral Rebirth and White Snake Power. Second of all, he still has access to the Sound 5's techniques. Sound Genjutsu to catch Kisame off guard for a finishing technique. The fact that Kisame needs to fight CQC to actually kill Kabuto doesn't help much either, and even then he has Oral Rebirth if he takes a wound that'd normally be impossible to heal. Then there's the fact he can use Sakon's jutsu to make a copy of Orochimaru's True Form, and once it's blood is exposed, Kisame is paralyzed and dies a terrible death.

Water Dome isn't really of any help since Kabuto has a snake form he can turn into, and snakes can travel underwater. Combine that with his ability to split into numerous snakes and even turn into fluid, and you have him making an extremely easy escape.

He's almost, if not, Oro+, and I think Oro has a chance to defeat Kisame without Daikodan. He'd have issues taking out Manda AND Kabuto without Daikodan.

Though I might change my mind depending on what is presented.

Looks like my info has spread through out the site, when certain ppl stated other wise. Change of heart is always nice.

 

[New Dawn]

Kabuto sucks