[Discussion] crocodile owns donflamingo 1 vs 1

[Uzumaki Macho]

Other way around, Croc. blocked Mihawk's attack.

Other way around, Mihawk blocked Croc's attack.

 

[MickNerks]

Nah, to be fair, Crocodile was getting punched by a pre-Gear Alabasta Luffy and was defeating him. A post-skip Luffy with Gears 2 and 3 can't put down Doffy on his own. Crocodile lacks the strength or speed to keep up with Doffy.

One of those scans were done in the desert, and all three of them were short-mid ranged. Doflamingo has techniques that span across an entire country(Bird Cage, Parasite and Overheat). Crocodile has shown the ability to hover over the ground, he has never been shown to be able to fly as high as Doflamingo.

Jozu's attack works by smashing. Doffy has what it takes to survive getting smashed around. However, Doffy's attacks are slicing. Doffy breaks Croco's skin like Jozu did, and Crocodile has lost his head, not to mention Doffy can slash open veins such as his jugular.

Your comparing a Alabasta Arc Crocodile to a Post Time Skip Doflamingo. We saw eveidence that crocodile was significantly stronger during Impel Down and Marineford then he was in Alabasta. We cant forget that Crocodile DESTROYED luffy in their first 2 fights.

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Fight 1:
Doflamingo didnt even take this fight seriously[

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He didnt even dodge luffy's attacks since he knew luffy could never hit him [

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Then time ran out and he defeated luffy with no diff [

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Fight 2:
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In the end crocodile beat luffy with Low Diff [

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In regard to crocodile flying,

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. Not merely hovering over the ground.

I guess we will have to just wait to see how much stronger crocodile has gotten over the 2 year time skip since he has been in the new world, but since I have no concrete evidence to support my claims and it's all speculation based off what I saw at marineford then ill concede.

 

[MickNerks]

Other way around, Mihawk blocked Croc's attack.

Mihawk was going to attack Luffy when crocodile intercepts the attack and blocks his sword.

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[Uzumaki Macho]

Mihawk was going to attack Luffy when crocodile intercepts the attack and blocks his sword.

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No Mihawk noticed Croc coming and blocked him. Either that or Mihawk was trying to hit Luffy with the blunt side of his sword.

 

[VongolaX]

How did I miss this thread?

Love it, would read it again 10/10.

But my fanboying aside they are more or less even.

Using marineford feats with alabasta movesets, they come out pretty even .

People use the stupid "gearless luffy this and gearless luffy that," but no that's not how measurements work.

Gearless Luffy's punches doesn't equal Haki (strengthen attacks) brilliant punk.

The same attack that was used on Akoji and he bleed.

Second gear luffy already his crocodile and he's still fine.

No injuries or tko's from a second gear jet kick.

Croc is highly underrated

 

[Punk Hazard]

No Mihawk noticed Croc coming and blocked him. Either that or Mihawk was trying to hit Luffy with the blunt side of his sword.

That explains the ¨!!¨ speech bubble. Mihawk decided to block Crocodile, made the action to block Crocodile, and was then surprised that he blocked Crocodile. Genius.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How did I miss this thread?

Love it, would read it again 10/10.

But my fanboying aside they are are more or less even.

Using marineford feats with alabasta movesets, they come out pretty even .

People use the stupid "gearless luffy this and gearless luffy that," but no that's not how measurements work.

Gearless Luffy's punches doesn't equal Haki (strengthen attacks) brilliant punk.

The same attack that was used on Akoji and he bleed.

Second gear luffy already his crocodile and he's still fine.

No injuries or tko's from a second gear jet kick.

Croc is highly underrated

Man, there's really people who think that Crocodile who lost an all-out brawl with a weakened Luffy is even with Doflamingo.

Do you think Doffy would have lost to pre-skip Luffy?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That explains the ¨!!¨ speech bubble. Mihawk decided to block Crocodile, made the action to block Crocodile, and was then surprised that he blocked Crocodile. Genius.

Then how do you explain the !! in the panel before Croc "blocked" Mihawk. !!! doesn't only mean surprised.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then how do you explain the !! in the panel before Croc "blocked" Mihawk. !!! doesn't only mean surprised.

Surprise at Crocodile throwing himself at him. Try again.

 

[VongolaX]

Haki. Ever heard of it?

Croc will be mid-diffed. And I'm one of those that doesn't think he's weak as piss.

Tell that to Jozu

Last time he used Haki+Devil fruit powers, he ended half way across the marineford.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Tell that to Jozu

Last time he used Haki+Devil fruit powers, he ended half way across the marineford.

1. Because Doflamingo was restraining him, hinting Doffy's superiority to Jozu anyways

2. Getting decapitated is gonna be way more effective in killing you than Jozu running into you

 

[Trollkage]

damn crocodile is overrated as hell

 

[bajram]

Crocodile being stronger then doflamingo would be the biggest inconsistency the manga has ever had, wether u like it or not crocodile was beaten by a pre-gears alabasta Luffy, nothing will ever change that making him the first major boss in the GL but now we are in NW which is in a completely different level from GL, Dellinger would wipe the floor with any of the pre-ts straw hats.

Now Luffy got haki which was a huge major power up for him and the only reason I think that croc doesnt have haki is because he has never shown it and never used it against luffy even though he had been in NW before and its not like he trained haki in a prison and the only way we can think of him having haki is wishful thinking that he mastered it after TS which unless I see manga panels than he has no haki, deal with it.

And not to forget that crocs physical abilities are shit, his reaction speed abilities are shit, the moment luffy got a hold of his DF croc was getting rag dolled around even though Luffy was in gear 1 state, a Luffy that had no counter to CP9, and sadly blueno, while in the other hand doflamingo thinks of luffy's G2 haki enchanted attacks as a tickle and sees G3 as a slow attack full of openings, and his reaction speed has been awesome throughout the fights till now.

And on top of it Oda isnt stupid enough to make the first major boss weaker then the first major boss of NW, that's like Luffy isnt getting to fight stronger opponents but weaker ones each saga, do u really believe that OP?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Guys, I just realized that we've never met a character named Donflamingo, so the OP might be right.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Guys, I just realized that we've never met a character named Donflamingo, so the OP might be right.

Hear that? That's the sound of the One Piece section collectively groaning.

 

[VongolaX]

Crocodile being stronger then doflamingo would be the biggest inconsistency the manga has ever had, wether u like it or not crocodile was beaten by a pre-gears alabasta Luffy, nothing will ever change that making him the first major boss in the GL but now we are in NW which is in a completely different level from GL, Dellinger would wipe the floor with any of the pre-ts straw hats.

Now Luffy got haki which was a huge major power up for him and the only reason I think that croc doesnt have haki is because he has never shown it and never used it against luffy even though he had been in NW before and its not like he trained haki in a prison and the only way we can think of him having haki is wishful thinking that he mastered it after TS which unless I see manga panels than he has no haki, deal with it.

And not to forget that crocs physical abilities are shit, his reaction speed abilities are shit, the moment luffy got a hold of his DF croc was getting rag dolled around even though Luffy was in gear 1 state, a Luffy that had no counter to CP9, and sadly blueno, while in the other hand doflamingo thinks of luffy's G2 haki enchanted attacks as a tickle and sees G3 as a slow attack full of openings, and his reaction speed has been awesome throughout the fights till now.

And on top of it Oda isnt stupid enough to make the first major boss weaker then the first major boss of NW, that's like Luffy isnt getting to fight stronger opponents but weaker ones each saga, do u really believe that OP?

Bad comparison

Even Moria wrecks dellinger like no tomorrow

You keep saying Haki is what is needed to beat crocodile, but you're wrong.

Otherwise Crocodile would of died in the marineford.

Because what you are implying is that Jozu can all of a sudden hit logias without Haki and that all of Luffy's attacks are stronger than Jozu as well?

You are also implying that base Luffy's attacks are also stronger than gear two Luffy's attacks as too.

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[bajram]

Bad comparison

Even Moria wrecks dellinger like no tomorrow

You keep saying Haki is what is needed to beat crocodile, but you're wrong.

Otherwise Crocodile would of died in the marineford.

Because what you are implying is that Jozu can all of a sudden hit logias without Haki and that all of Luffy's attacks are stronger than Jozu as well?

You are also implying that base Luffy's attacks are also stronger than gear two Luffy's attacks as too.

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No u dont seem to get the GL level and the NW level, but im not going to bother discussing about it since u wouldnt understand anyway.

Haki is needed to defeat logia fighters, and haki is needed to enhance attacks to make greater damage, he didnt die at marineford because he was never targeted by anyone significant at all the only time he got the attention of an stronger fighter he got blitzed by Jozu and only got saved by doflamingo, if doffy had never interfered there then the croc boy would have every bone broken sadly, oh and u keep sucking on ur daily marineford "feats" of croc but going by that luffy has top tier durability for being able to take on multiple kizaru kicks and even getting pierced by its light or even getting pierced by aokiji or punched inside out from akainu, why not mention that, I mean god knows how much would u wank off at crocodile if he would have managed to pull out that at marineford.

Wtf?

Where did I ever imply that? Read again dude.

 

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1. Because Doflamingo was restraining him, hinting Doffy's superiority to Jozu anyways

2. Getting decapitated is gonna be way more effective in killing you than Jozu running into you

I think he meant Jozu's attack on Crocodile...

He was sent flying about five meters anyway, not halfway across Marineford. Dat exaggeration though

 

[bdm]

I went through current doffy's techs and feats, but I don't see how he beats Croc.

In the war we seen croc is physically strong and fast it doesn't appear that he will have any trouble with hand to hand and defense.

We have seen doffy has no answer to shambles

Dehydration should be enough to end doffy

If u feel different explanation please!

by the way why didnt law used it against doffy to change doffy's with trebol. he could have won easily.

and for croc vs doffy -

doffy will win
coz he has regenerarion and haki.but croc has weakness to water.doffy could use the clouds to make his strings wet and beat the crap out of croc.

 

[Praydara]

Crocodile's strong, but we haven't seen anything from him to suggest he could beat Doflamingo. I don't think it would be an easy fight by any means, but Doflamingo takes it mid-high diff at this point. I have no doubt Croc will come back post-skip and be much stronger than he was before.