Sasuke has potential to Master Sennin Mode

[Im Still Robin]

I really have to agree with Sparks reply post from another thread or whatever.

Even though that fodder has mad love for Naruto more than Sasuke (which is why I tend to disagree cuz biased).

Anyways, Sasuke could of been mastered that sage mode, hashirama's, DSM, hell even perfect sage mode like narudo.

He had/has the potenital to master them all. But honestly do you know how hax he would be as a character?

Then turn that on its head to possibly equipping his susanoo with that energy?

All elements.
4 sage modes.
Paths
Bijuu's
Bijuu's charka's

Yeah GG.

 

[Gerkak]

RSM is a chakra mode not base. Rinnegan isn't giving chakra. So it is Sasuke's base chakra, sharingan or Rinnegan never gave its users chakras. And we're talking about current Sasuke's chakra levels, not any other version.

Yang is body energy. It is obvious it is connected with Stamina. You're mistaking Chakra and Stamina.

All I see there Base Naruto can't mold enough chakra for FRS and Kyuubi's chakra comes in to compensate.



Firstly I don't remember saying Naruto has weaker body than Sasuke. And I never said Base Naruto has more chakra than Sasuke either. What I'm saying is Naruto has more Yang while Sasuke has more Yin, they're equal in base. I hope you won't claim that Minato is a Senju now. Lol


Well I meant the energy no need to get agitated about it, since it doesn't changing anything about my point. Stamina isn't equal to Yang, but they're in a relation with each other. Yang is representing physical energy, is it that hard to understand they're related ?


The word you're looking for is underestimate. And to answer you, no I'm not underestimating Naruto's chakra. You're the one who doesn't grasp the concept of Yin and Yang.

Rinne sasuke received half of hogoromo's chakra? How did his reserves not improve?

I am not mistaking anything. Ebisu explained the process of creating chakra[

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]. He clearly showed that stamina was what was used to create chakra, while they aren't the same the more stamina one has the more chakra one can produce. This is the simple concept behind it.

Like I said the kyuubi's chakra was negligible(no red eyes or red chakra aura), it's not like that level of kyuubi chakra alone could have been used to create an FRS if naruto was completely empty.

Like I said there is no such thing as yang chakra reserves and yin chakra reserves. Characters only have one chakra reserve. Minato's SM isn't perfect, he can't maintain it for more than a few seconds and it takes him ages to accumulate it.

Sorry if It seemed like it to you, but I am not being agitated at all. Like I said refer to ebisu's explanations, the relationship between chakra and stamina is made clear.

I grasp its concept, to me it seems like you don't. Like I said before there is nothing like yin chakra reserves and yang chakra reserves, the more stamina one has the more chakra they can produce.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Rinne sasuke received half of hogoromo's chakra? How did his reserves not improve?

He received it and it became part of his base chakra. He has no chakra mode, he isn't going super saiyan like Naruto. He already has access to that chakra even with his eyes deactivated, your point ?

I am not mistaking anything. Ebisu explained the process of creating chakra[

You must be registered for see links

]. He clearly showed that stamina was what was used to create chakra, while they aren't the same the more stamina one has the more chakra one can produce. This is the simple concept behind it.

Stamina is seperate than Yang but they're related. Yang is literally body energy, c'mon this can't be so hard to grasp.

Like I said the kyuubi's chakra was negligible(no red eyes or red chakra aura), it's not like that level of kyuubi chakra alone could have been used to create an FRS if naruto was completely empty.

If Base Naruto had enough chakra to use FRS, his eyes would've remained the same. The reason he drew Kyuubi's chakra unconsciously shows that his base chakra wasn't enough for a FRS at the time. If he was fully rested and not trained that long, he could use FRS without Kyuubi's chakra leaked but this alone shows that without Kyuubi's help Naruto's base chakra isn't as great as you believe.

Like I said there is no such thing as yang chakra reserves and yin chakra reserves. Characters only have one chakra reserve. Minato's SM isn't perfect, he can't maintain it for more than a few seconds and it takes him ages to accumulate it.

Lol There is a Yang and a Yin energy sources within person. Chakra only comes in play when the person decides to mold them together. And Minato's SM is perfect, but since he had lower amount of chakra than Naruto he can't enter SM as quickly. At my initial post I proved that the more chakra allows one to enter SM faster.

Sorry if It seemed like it to you, but I am not being agitated at all. Like I said refer to ebisu's explanations, the relationship between chakra and stamina is made clear.

Yet you do not understand of what Yang stands for. It is physical energy, that comes from every cell of the person. It is clearly related to stamina.

I grasp its concept, to me it seems like you don't. Like I said before there is nothing like yin chakra reserves and yang chakra reserves, the more stamina one has the more chakra they can produce.

SM requires X amount of Yang, X amount of Yin , X amount of Natural Energy together. They need to be in perfect balance. Fukasaku explained it. While Naruto with Superior Yang energy managed to maintain the balance with his Yin, Sasuke with his superior Yin energy can maintain balance with his Yang energy to achieve SM.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Well, yeah he can since he has hashirama's dna but Sasuke can already use senjutsu due to having hagoromo's Chakra.

 

[Gerkak]

He received it and it became part of his base chakra. He has no chakra mode, he isn't going super saiyan like Naruto. He already has access to that chakra even with his eyes deactivated, your point ?



Stamina is seperate than Yang but they're related. Yang is literally body energy, c'mon this can't be so hard to grasp.


If Base Naruto had enough chakra to use FRS, his eyes would've remained the same. The reason he drew Kyuubi's chakra unconsciously shows that his base chakra wasn't enough for a FRS at the time. If he was fully rested and not trained that long, he could use FRS without Kyuubi's chakra leaked but this alone shows that without Kyuubi's help Naruto's base chakra isn't as great as you believe.


Lol There is a Yang and a Yin energy sources within person. Chakra only comes in play when the person decides to mold them together. And Minato's SM is perfect, but since he had lower amount of chakra than Naruto he can't enter SM as quickly. At my initial post I proved that the more chakra allows one to enter SM faster.

Yet you do not understand of what Yang stands for. It is physical energy, that comes from every cell of the person. It is clearly related to stamina.



SM requires X amount of Yang, X amount of Yin , X amount of Natural Energy together. They need to be in perfect balance. Fukasaku explained it. While Naruto with Superior Yang energy managed to maintain the balance with his Yin, Sasuke with his superior Yin energy can maintain balance with his Yang energy to achieve SM.

Him not having a chakra mode changes noting, it was still chakra given to him which is the point. RSM is also part of naruto's reserves since the data book made it clear that it came from the rikudo like the rinnegan and has nothing to do with the bijuu. The bijuuu chakra naruto had was only a little as sasuke himself said and only served as a slight boost to naruto. If we compare the two will there still be doubts?

You are the one have trouble grasping it I'm afraid, I clearly posted the explanation from ebisu and you still persist?

I never said naruto's base chakra is amazingly vast or anything of the sort I only said it was above base sasuke's

I agree that more chakra allows one to enter SM quicker, but you forget that minato can only maintain it for a few seconds, why is that? Because he doesn't have a good grasp of the technique it isn't perfect.

I know yang stands for physical energy, the point is that it contains physical attributes, however the total stamina of a ninja as ebisu explained is what is used to create chakra, I don't know why you continue to deny what the manga says. If you have a better source by all means please correct me.

Sasuke's chakra is more yin in nature, while naruto's is more yang in nature. Nothing suggests that sasuke has more yin than he does yang or naruto having more yang than he does yin. If that was the case using ninjutsu would be extremely difficult for them.

The thing is indra's descendants have chakra that has yin like attributes, while ashura descendants have chakra that has yang like attributes. There is nothing to my knowledge that suggests that either of said descendants have chakra imbalances.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Him not having a chakra mode changes noting, it was still chakra given to him which is the point. RSM is also part of naruto's reserves since the data book made it clear that it came from the rikudo like the rinnegan and has nothing to do with the bijuu. The bijuuu chakra naruto had was only a little as sasuke himself said and only served as a slight boost to naruto. If we compare the two will there still be doubts?

Lol We're talking about Sasuke's potential to master Sennin Mode. And his last state where he created 9 CT shows that he has more than enough chakra for it. RSM it a chakra mode, Base Naruto doesn't have access to Bijuu chakras because when he uses them he no longer be at Base. What Sasuke said was Naruto used most of Bijuu chakras in his prior fight and had little left for the VOTE fight. He could replenish that chakra when he rests. And again since RSM isn't base and Sasuke has no different chakra modes, comparing Sasuke's chakra with RSM and acting like it is Naruto's base chakra is little odd.

You are the one have trouble grasping it I'm afraid, I clearly posted the explanation from ebisu and you still persist?

I'm done with this. You clearly don't know what Yang stands for.

I never said naruto's base chakra is amazingly vast or anything of the sort I only said it was above base sasuke's

And again Manga disagrees. Sasuke has larger amount of Yin while Naruto has larger amount of Yang.

I agree that more chakra allows one to enter SM quicker, but you forget that minato can only maintain it for a few seconds, why is that? Because he doesn't have a good grasp of the technique it isn't perfect.

Not that actually. Since he has less chakra, he absorbs less natural energy which runs out faster as well. His body isn't looked Toadish, so it is perfectly balanced.

I know yang stands for physical energy, the point is that it contains physical attributes, however the total stamina of a ninja as ebisu explained is what is used to create chakra, I don't know why you continue to deny what the manga says. If you have a better source by all means please correct me.

Yang is physical energy. Is stamina increases along with meditation, study or something ? It is related to body as well thus the larger Yang energy one has, larger stamina they'll have.

Sasuke's chakra is more yin in nature, while naruto's is more yang in nature. Nothing suggests that sasuke has more yin than he does yang or naruto having more yang than he does yin. If that was the case using ninjutsu would be extremely difficult for them.

It's been stated Ashura inherited Hagoromo's powerfuly Yang energy while Indra inherited Hagoromo's powerful Yin energy. And Ashura and Indra transmigranted to Naruto and Sasuke.

The thing is indra's descendants have chakra that has yin like attributes, while ashura descendants have chakra that has yang like attributes. There is nothing to my knowledge that suggests that either of said descendants have chakra imbalances.

Well you can balance 60 kg and 40 kg. You can just put 40 kg from each and make the 20 kg stand by thus have a balance. While molding chakra one doesn't put their entire energies together, they can manipulate which of them they put more. There is a reason why Yin Style jutsus and Yang Style jutsus exist.

 

[SakuraHarunoHaterSlayer]

Sakura should have slug sage mode

 

[V h o]

Yea potentially, but it's doubtful.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I don't even need to read the OP. I know for a fact he has the potential. After all, he is using senjutsu. His chidori can effect JJ Madara. That means he's using at least a variation of senjutsu. The only thing he'd need to "learn" is to gather it manually (if it even matters). However, I don't believe he'll ever be Naruto's equal in that regard.

 

[Magi]

Nice.. +rep

 

[DHOH]

Great thread you pointed out everything.. If there are any doubters it's only because they are haters...

It really doesn't matter if Sasuke needs the Rinnengan to use safe mode, he has it.. Nothing stopping him from learning it but a teacher..

 

[Aznkidd]

Great thread you pointed out everything.. If there are any doubters it's only because they are haters...

It really doesn't matter if Sasuke needs the Rinnengan to use safe mode, he has it.. Nothing stopping him from learning it but a teacher..

So now kishi words is nothin but a joke ?
This story is all about Eye vs Body and some irrevelant Hair.

 

[DHOH]

So now kishi words is nothin but a joke ?
This story is all about Eye vs Body and some irrevelant Hair.

Body became irrelevant when Sasuke received chakra from Indra,itachi,hashirama and Hagoromo..

 

[Dockinabix]

For the examples you put with juugo ( and by extansion the cursed mark), it's an external source who do the job.

I'll stay simple: Juugo get the natural energy, transforms it in chakra to use for others. Using ( and not gathering only) senjutsu chakra for non-initiated user, put them to death by petrification. It's stated by manga. Senjutsu is not an energy easily usable. The only one who screw the rule with a big asspull is Madara.

Sasuke can sense natural energy, true. His sharingan give him the ability to see it to a certain extant.
Can it be used to him ? Yep if the senjutsu user transform the senjutsu nature in simple chakra nature, otherwise it could "poison" the receiver.
Can he use it like a senin ? Logically, if he trains for it yes, but technically he can't for the reason under.
Can he become a sage ? No. Mainly for the reason many put: he doesn't have the chakra tank for it.

Sasuke have a stronger chakra, but he don't have enough quantities, so senjutsu is out of question.
It's like fulling a bottle of alchool: no matter how the liquor is strong, if you can't fill the bottle of the appropriate quantity, you can't sell it.

Though you tried to prove your point with manga points, and for that I put a good rating to this thread.

 

[Stxluciferr]

^ Sasuke has more chakra than Minato, and Jiraiya ever had while they were alive

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Lel, I am not wrong at all. Body sheding technique consumes a lot of chakra true, but not as much as hundreds of shadow clones or a FRS. Holding orochimaru is something similar to what jinchuriki have to deal with. You think non perfect jinchuriki don't use their chakra to hold back the bijuu?

Sasuke absorbed orochimaru because to him, the benefits outweighed the risks. He didn't just hold orochimaru he used oro's chakra to assist him in the fight much like how jinchuriki do with their bijuu

Lel , then explain how a baby Naruto was hiding the Kyubi in with his sheer chakra? When he didn't even know about the concept of chakra at the time??

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Rinne sasuke received half of hogoromo's chakra? How did his reserves not improve?

I am not mistaking anything. Ebisu explained the process of creating chakra[

You must be registered for see links

]. He clearly showed that stamina was what was used to create chakra, while they aren't the same the more stamina one has the more chakra one can produce. This is the simple concept behind it.

Like I said the kyuubi's chakra was negligible(no red eyes or red chakra aura), it's not like that level of kyuubi chakra alone could have been used to create an FRS if naruto was completely empty.

Like I said there is no such thing as yang chakra reserves and yin chakra reserves. Characters only have one chakra reserve. Minato's SM isn't perfect, he can't maintain it for more than a few seconds and it takes him ages to accumulate it.

Sorry if It seemed like it to you, but I am not being agitated at all. Like I said refer to ebisu's explanations, the relationship between chakra and stamina is made clear.

I grasp its concept, to me it seems like you don't. Like I said before there is nothing like yin chakra reserves and yang chakra reserves, the more stamina one has the more chakra they can produce.

Minato's SM was perfect, the toad sage even stated that the eye pigments are the mark of a true sage... A perfect sage... And what is that around Minato's eyes? That's right, EUR pigments, the markings of a true sage

 

[maniaoqan]

Great thread.
Seems like no one is trying to counter your points, only keep blabbering about Sasuke's 'body'.

 

[DHOH]

For the examples you put with juugo ( and by extansion the cursed mark), it's an external source who do the job.

I'll stay simple: Juugo get the natural energy, transforms it in chakra to use for others. Using ( and not gathering only) senjutsu chakra for non-initiated user, put them to death by petrification. It's stated by manga. Senjutsu is not an energy easily usable. The only one who screw the rule with a big asspull is Madara.

Sasuke can sense natural energy, true. His sharingan give him the ability to see it to a certain extant.
Can it be used to him ? Yep if the senjutsu user transform the senjutsu nature in simple chakra nature, otherwise it could "poison" the receiver.
Can he use it like a senin ? Logically, if he trains for it yes, but technically he can't for the reason under.
Can he become a sage ? No. Mainly for the reason many put: he doesn't have the chakra tank for it.

Sasuke have a stronger chakra, but he don't have enough quantities, so senjutsu is out of question.
It's like fulling a bottle of alchool: no matter how the liquor is strong, if you can't fill the bottle of the appropriate quantity, you can't sell it.

Though you tried to prove your point with manga points, and for that I put a good rating to this thread.

Sasuke have more chakra than90% of the manga including three sage mode users..

 

[To Whatever]

Minato's SM was perfect, the toad sage even stated that the eye pigments are the mark of a true sage... A perfect sage... And what is that around Minato's eyes? That's right, EUR pigments, the markings of a true sage

I think there's tiers of Perfect TSM though.

Didnt pain arc tsm naruto have a 5 minute limit?

It increased exponentially over time though.