[VS] Shikamaru vs Hinata

[Amaterasu]

This thread is hilarious. Everybody knows one hit from Hinata using gentle fist would neg Shika. But instead people are throwing around a lot of "ifs" in order for Shika to pull out a win. "If" Shikamaru can catch Hinata (a tracker ninja with Byakugan) in a trap he wins. "If" Shika can exploit the Byakugan blindspot "somehow", he wins. "If" Shikamaru can blind Hinata with a flashbang he wins. "If" Shika can formulate a strategy he wins.

People are tying themselves in a pretzel in an attempt to sidestep the obvious. That Shikamaru has no offensive ninjutsu or taijutsu. His genjutsu skills are dubious at best and Hinata has been trained to detect genjutsu. Not to mention her byakugan gives her an edge.

Look at the other "geniuses" of the Narutoverse. Kakashi, Itachi, Oro, Kabuto, Sasuke, Minato, Hiruzen, Neji. All of them have a balance of brain and brawn. Even Kabuto admits he's not a taijutsu type but stilltraded blows with Tsunade and has his chakra scapel and regen for any damage he takes.


Shikamaru has a place and that's in the rear with Ino. Choji is the only attack type on his team.

Lmao, what I wanted to say

 

[Sennin of Logic]

She used it to protect Naruto, though. Why has she never used rotation AT ALL? The logical conclusion is that she can't. I'm not sure why people are even trying to say she can, this is ridiculous.

Air palm is a variant of palm rotation. Therefore, it's hardly a stretch to at least suspect she could have it, and the incidence with the juubi spikes were already not stated to be ideal for rotation, and that air palm had to be used.

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If Hinata uses a variant of a jutsu, it's only logical to assume that there's at least a high possibility that she can use the base version.

Of course.

Naruto, Sasuke, Raikage, every Jinchuriki, Kakashi, Kidomaru, Torune and every other character capable of doing that are masters of Kaiten as well...

Rotation is simple, that's why only 2 characters were able to master it.... (?)


It is ridiculous indeed, I never gave for granted in a VS debate that Sakura was able to use Souzo Saisei until she showed she was able to.
No one should assume she can use a technique she didn't use in canon, not to mention she was neglected by her own father due to her lack of talent, so It won't be surprising to me if she never get to master it, but whatever...

Now you're just straight-up bashing. You can't assume Hinata's troubles are unchangeable when virtually every character that had some problem worked past it. Hate to break it to you, but she's definitely not weak by the end of the series. Naruto said that she's very strong when serious at the epilogue of the Last. You can't put her in a fodder sphere where she can't do anything and say she can't do something just because it's her. Additionally, in the Last, Hiashi's body guards get the crap beat out of them by Toneri's puppets, but Hinata was beating on those same puppets. Needless to say, her skill as a Hyuga is extraordinary. So don't please, stop the "Hinata's not skilled" nonsense. It's obvious at this point that she does have talent.

 

[Xlad]

Shikamaru doesn't have an offensive parameter that can bring Hinata down. When the Juubi Fission Clones appear, he had to to be in collaboration with Ino and Chouji to bring them down. Hinata actually was able to take those Fissions down by herself. His edge is that he can analyze like how he did against Hidan. That's assuming his offense is fast enough to reach her before she does anything. Then there's this whole circumstances how much more effective his shadows will be depending on the time.

So I may actually go with Hinata on this one.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Again. What's time of day? That's actually a factor in shikamaru's fights.

 

[Leathercandle]

Again. What's time of day? That's actually a factor in shikamaru's fights.

Let's just say noon.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Shitenshin no jutsu, I'm still waiting for a reply to my claim that Hinata can use all 361 chakra points. I'm referring to what she did in the last when she restored naruto's chakra and combined her attack w/ Naruto.

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[Keimil]

Air palm is a variant of palm rotation. Therefore, it's hardly a stretch to at least suspect she could have it, and the incidence with the juubi spikes were already not stated to be ideal for rotation, and that air palm had to be used.

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If Hinata uses a variant of a jutsu, it's only logical to assume that there's at least a high possibility that she can use the base version.

Do you mind reminding where was stated Air Palm is a variant of Rotation? I really don't know...

Given that piece of information as canon, Twin Lion Fist has aspects of Gentle Fist right? Is the amplified version with chakra-drainer properties, so we can assume Hiashi and Neji knows that too just because is a varint from Juuken?
We can assume Neji and Hinata can use Vacuum Air Wall Palm on their own, since they can perform Air Palm?

I am thinking no....

Now you're just straight-up bashing. You can't assume Hinata's troubles are unchangeable when virtually every character that had some problem worked past it. Hate to break it to you, but she's definitely not weak by the end of the series. Naruto said that she's very strong when serious at the epilogue of the Last. You can't put her in a fodder sphere where she can't do anything and say she can't do something just because it's her. Additionally, in the Last, Hiashi's body guards get the crap beat out of them by Toneri's puppets, but Hinata was beating on those same puppets. Needless to say, her skill as a Hyuga is extraordinary. So don't please, stop the "Hinata's not skilled" nonsense. It's obvious at this point that she does have talent.

Ok, I exaggerated, guilty. But I didn't bashed at all, everything I said is on the manga, are you saying it's false her father neglected her due to her lack of skill? Then I just gave my opinion, which nobody is forced to agree with or anything.
But it's true Hinata became quite strong during the manga.

Your conclusion about the Hiashi's bodyguards is invalid though, in Hinata's case, they weren't trying to kill her, they didn't even used the chakra projectiles on her.

And I never downgraded her to a fodder sphere where she can't do anything right, she just never used Kaiten, even in situations that was needed, situations that her father and cousin where using it, and she was only standing behind Naruto. There is a reason why Kishi choose not to give her Kaiten and choose to give her the Twin Lion Fist jutsu, It's about to make a difference between skilled, genius Shinobis like Neji and her, and I am not bashing Hinata, but come on, it took three years more to her than Neji to master 64 palms [FACT], who knows how many years more will take her to master Rotation.
And sure, Twin Lion Fist is good, requires great level of chakra control, etc. But it's not an absolute defense.

I know I was a little hard on her before, but give me a break, I had to deal with people claiming that she can fly, that she is the reincarnation of Hamura, that she had chakra transferred from Hamura, that "Prime Hinata" is in Top 3, and many other pieces of bullsh*t my mind apparently chose to repress.

Shitenshin no jutsu, I'm still waiting for a reply to my claim that Hinata can use all 361 chakra points. I'm referring to what she did in the last when she restored naruto's chakra and combined her attack w/ Naruto.

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Many characters released chakra from all their chakra points, they can use Rotation too by just spinning?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Let's just say noon.

Ehh. Had it been between 3-6 I'd give it to shika.

 

[super yang]

Hinata can use every hyuuga jutsu in canon except rotation & its ''body blow'' variant

''air palm'' is not a rotation variant.
hinata wins

 

[makosheva7]

No. Her omni direction is 10km.
While neji's is 800m.

As a tracker it's to be expected.
Even in part 1 when neji's was 50m hers was covering their movement over the majority of forest of death.

Ot: What's time of day. Given the fact that they are fighting in a forest I don't see what's stopping him from using the tree's shadow to trap hinata. Then it's business as usual.

so her byakugan is better than neji's??

and true I didn't think of the shadows of the trees playing a significant role here. A late afternoon/evening fight would be Shikamaru's playground whereas noon would be his downfall.

 

[lndra]

Hinata wins.

 

[super yang]

so her byakugan is better than neji's??

that's irrelevant.

the fact is that neji went for 800 meters at the akatsuki cave trap, while hinata went 10KMs at the Itachi pursuit scenario

''byakugan can see really far'' is the point here

 

[BenjerminGaye]

so her byakugan is better than neji's??

and true I didn't think of the shadows of the trees playing a significant role here. A late afternoon/evening fight would be Shikamaru's playground whereas noon would be his downfall.

Range-wise it always was. Neji's advantage was in the gentle fist fighting style. Not the Byakugan itself, since despite being prodigy hid max range omni direction was 50m(or 25 can't remember)in part 1.
part 2 was 800m

 

[JackelLord]

My God. The Hinata fandom have gotten crazy again -_-

 

[Made in Heaven]

so her byakugan is better than neji's??

and true I didn't think of the shadows of the trees playing a significant role here. A late afternoon/evening fight would be Shikamaru's playground whereas noon would be his downfall.

Yes, it is. Neji's max is 800 M while Hinata's is 20 KM. So it is in fact better than Neji's.

My God. The Hinata fandom have gotten crazy again -_-

Mind explaining how Shika wins w/o resorting to the desperate ''he's smart'' argument?

 

[V h o]

After 5 pages, has anyone made any argument on how Shika wins?

 

[Made in Heaven]

After 5 pages, has anyone made any argument on how Shika wins?

Aside from flashbombs, nope.

 

[Keimil]

Yeah, too bad nobody takes this seriously... It's a joke...

 

[Icelerate]

Okay I'll try making an argument as to how Shikamaru might win. Nevermind, can't think of any strategy that he can apply which would be too much for Hinata to handle.

Hinata wins with mid-high difficulty.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Okay I'll try making an argument as to how Shikamaru might win. Nevermind, can't think of any strategy that he can apply which would be too much for Hinata to handle.

Hinata wins with mid-high difficulty.

He can bait hinata the same way he baited hidan/kakazu with shadow shuriken, using extended shadows(had time been between 3-6) for support.

Hinata hasn't shown any intel feats like part 1 temari did to calculate his range extension per tree shadow length in relation with the sun.

But hey.