[VS] Shikamaru vs Hinata

[Made in Heaven]

Pretty sure I'm talking about amplifying vision in the Sun's direction not the omni directional vision state the Byakugan is in without focusing on a particular point. The Sun's intensity at such a range (the omni directional one) is of course non hurtful, but a flashbang at close range will most definitely be.

That still means they're looking at the sun . And yet, no signs of harm. Not to mention Hinata has expanded her radius to at least 20KM at max, meaning her eyesight would be even closer to the sun. I also fail to see how a flashbomb would hinder Hinata when she can still see perfectly.

That's assuming she has enough time to realize that's what she needs to do in the split second Shika pulls it out in front of her already unclipped. Do I know if she does? No. Is Hinata mad resilient though? Not particularly. Therefore I'd say she's fooled by it.

She can see through his bags/cloths and know he has a flash bomb and is reaching for it...

 

[Amaterasu]

That's assuming she has enough time to realize that's what she needs to do in the split second Shika pulls it out in front of her already unclipped. Do I know if she does? No. Is Hinata mad resilient though? Not particularly. Therefore I'd say she's fooled by it.

Lmaoo, once she sees the flashbang she just knows she needs to close her eyes, she got a brain and she's a chuunin, this is child play.
Also you're a little bit biased. She won't need to close her eyes tho', Twin Lion Fist can finish him during that split second...

 

[makosheva7]

That still means they're looking at the sun . And yet, no signs of harm. Not to mention Hinata has expanded her radius to at least 20KM at max, meaning her eyesight would be even closer to the sun. I also fail to see how a flashbomb would hinder Hinata when she can still see perfectly.



She can see through his bags/cloths and know he has a flash bomb and is reaching for it...

@Bold proof of this?

And your second point, ya that's possible sure, gotta give you that one.

 

[makosheva7]

Lmaoo, once she sees the flashbang she just knows she needs to close her eyes, she got a brain and she's a chuunin, this is child play.
Also you're a little bit biased. She won't need to close her eyes tho', Twin Lion Fist can finish him during that split second...

I'm not biased I'm just fully exploring both people's capabilities. I realized she can see the flashbang being pulled out as she can see through Shikamaru's body. So Hinata looks like must win. Interesting match up though.

 

[Made in Heaven]

@Bold proof of this?

And your second point, ya that's possible sure, gotta give you that one.

She does so in the last, when searching for Hanabi w/ sai's birds. In the manga, her max was 10KM.

 

[Amaterasu]

I'm not biased I'm just fully exploring both people's capabilities. I realized she can see the flashbang being pulled out as she can see through Shikamaru's body. So Hinata looks like must win. Interesting match up though.

Alright I was about to say that she can use Vacuum Palm instead of Rotation

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

And in which occasion ?

Pretty much ANY scene when she was in danger. She didn't even use it when she was attacked by MULTIPLE targets in The Last, nor did she use it to back up Neji and Hiashi from Juubi spikes. 3 rotations would do a much better job than 2.

She could've used it when those 3 zetsu clones were about to get her, etc...

 

[makosheva7]

She does so in the last, when searching for Hanabi w/ sai's birds. In the manga, her max was 10KM.

Maybe focusing on one direction but very doubtful as the Byakugan's omni directional vision is more applicable to units of metres, not kilimetres. But I'm tired of this.

 

[Amaterasu]

Pretty much ANY scene when she was in danger. She didn't even use it when she was attacked by MULTIPLE targets in The Last, nor did she use it to back up Neji and Hiashi from Juubi spikes. 3 rotations would do a much better job than 2.

She could've used it when those 3 zetsu clones were about to get her, etc...

@Bold And she could have used Vacuum Palm and its variants too, so why she didn't ?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Pretty much ANY scene when she was in danger. She didn't even use it when she was attacked by MULTIPLE targets in The Last, nor did she use it to back up Neji and Hiashi from Juubi spikes. 3 rotations would do a much better job than 2.

She could've used it when those 3 zetsu clones were about to get her, etc...

You do realize she didn't use any of her jutsus at that point , that doesn't mean she couldn't use them.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

You do realize she didn't use any of her jutsus at that point , that doesn't mean she couldn't use them.

I was specifically talking about Rotation, I know she can use her other things, but the user I was replying to seems to think she can use rotation.

 

[Amaterasu]

I was specifically talking about Rotation, I know she can use her other things, but the user I was replying to seems to think she can use rotation.

I replied to that.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I was specifically talking about Rotation, I know she can use her other things, but the user I was replying to seems to think she can use rotation.

Well, she was shown able to release chakra from all of her chakra points in the last. All she needs to do is spin.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Maybe focusing on one direction but very doubtful as the Byakugan's omni directional vision is more applicable to units of metres, not kilimetres. But I'm tired of this.

No. Her omni direction is 10km.
While neji's is 800m.

As a tracker it's to be expected.
Even in part 1 when neji's was 50m hers was covering their movement over the majority of forest of death.

Ot: What's time of day. Given the fact that they are fighting in a forest I don't see what's stopping him from using the tree's shadow to trap hinata. Then it's business as usual.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

@Bold And she could have used Vacuum Palm and its variants too, so why she didn't ?

She used it to protect Naruto, though. Why has she never used rotation AT ALL? The logical conclusion is that she can't. I'm not sure why people are even trying to say she can, this is ridiculous.

 

[Keimil]

Well, she was shown able to release chakra from all of her chakra points in the last. All she needs to do is spin.

Of course.

Naruto, Sasuke, Raikage, every Jinchuriki, Kakashi, Kidomaru, Torune and every other character capable of doing that are masters of Kaiten as well...

Rotation is simple, that's why only 2 characters were able to master it.... (?)

She used it to protect Naruto, though. Why has she never used rotation AT ALL? The logical conclusion is that she can't. I'm not sure why people are even trying to say she can, this is ridiculous.

It is ridiculous indeed, I never gave for granted in a VS debate that Sakura was able to use Souzo Saisei until she showed she was able to.
No one should assume she can use a technique she didn't use in canon, not to mention she was neglected by her own father due to her lack of talent, so It won't be surprising to me if she never get to master it, but whatever...

 

[Made in Heaven]

She used it to protect Naruto, though. Why has she never used rotation AT ALL? The logical conclusion is that she can't. I'm not sure why people are even trying to say she can, this is ridiculous.

She was already shown able to release chakra from all her chakra points in the last. Unless you're gonna go w/ the only other alternative that what she did was entering a form that would be akin to Naruto's Inital Jin mode.

 

[Amaterasu]

She used it to protect Naruto, though. Why has she never used rotation AT ALL? The logical conclusion is that she can't. I'm not sure why people are even trying to say she can, this is ridiculous.

You didn't really answered my question. But I'm fine with that.

 

[Char Aznable]

This thread is hilarious. Everybody knows one hit from Hinata using gentle fist would neg Shika. But instead people are throwing around a lot of "ifs" in order for Shika to pull out a win. "If" Shikamaru can catch Hinata (a tracker ninja with Byakugan) in a trap he wins. "If" Shika can exploit the Byakugan blindspot "somehow", he wins. "If" Shikamaru can blind Hinata with a flashbang he wins. "If" Shika can formulate a strategy he wins.

People are tying themselves in a pretzel in an attempt to sidestep the obvious. That Shikamaru has no offensive ninjutsu or taijutsu. His genjutsu skills are dubious at best and Hinata has been trained to detect genjutsu. Not to mention her byakugan gives her an edge.

Look at the other "geniuses" of the Narutoverse. Kakashi, Itachi, Oro, Kabuto, Sasuke, Minato, Hiruzen, Neji. All of them have a balance of brain and brawn. Even Kabuto admits he's not a taijutsu type but stilltraded blows with Tsunade and has his chakra scapel and regen for any damage he takes.


Shikamaru has a place and that's in the rear with Ino. Choji is the only attack type on his team.

 

[RicardoA]

Exactly my point
:|

But, you're forgetting two things i didn't mention:
1) Tayuya doesn't have a Byakugan (or any other method of tracking or detection)...
2) ...yet he still needed to set a trap first to make it work.