[Discussion] Existence of a God.

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I know man. You clearly haven't read that I wrote "You seemed". It's just an assumption. It may or may not be true.

Okay then that got no where but now you know you were wrong. Understandable.

I think they understand it, they just refuse to acknowledge it. The real question is why cant they admit it?

That's what I think too. They're too thick headed. They probably can't admit because they don't want to be wrong.
 
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*Agnostic not Atheist. Dont come at me like you know me. All i am doing is simply stating the truth, These people want to come out and just say that their god exists but provide no proof and cant admit that its only a belief based on their faith. One person here did. The rest just say "oh the bible" "oh the Quran" and every time they do im going to call them out. Ive admitted i can not disprove god and never told any one that they are wrong in their beliefs.

You're not Agnostic, buddy I would know. All of your posts have been claiming the denial of existence of a God, that's Atheism, Agnosticism acknowledges there may be a God but humans are incapable of comprehending it. Agnosticism isn't acknowledging you can't disprove it it's understanding and accepting humans are incapable of understanding the concept of God accurately.
 

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In my eyes the existence of God has been proved way too many times. Everything that lead to planet earth being created was by the will of God. Big bang is true, and God caused it. Science is a crossroad. You either believe that it proves God's existence or it disproves. You see I dislike people like you; always using the same old bullshit "oh but we have diseases and natural disasters etc therefore god doesn't exist". Cringe-worthy nonsense. Don't seriously tell me you expected life on planet earth to be simple and perfect. Diseases and natural disasters are as much part of this planet as we are. Why is an insignificant mortal like you showing distaste to things of greater power & significance? People like you do not pay attention to the good that has become of this word, but gape your eyes and question God's existence over flaws. Like Muslims say, it's a test. You're bombarded with many problems in life. Life is not a cup of tea, man the f*** up and deal with your problems like the rest of us. Some lose faith in God because their life is crap, but.. surprise motherf*ckers! So is ours. Have you ever looked into the stars and wondered who created this beauty? How this all happened? It couldn't have been just a coincidence. Miracles are created by God's hand. We (animals and us humans) are the only living beings out of the countless galaxies there are. The rest of the universe is there to display God's almighty power. Anyways, it's up to you weather you want to believe in God or not. But don't go around questioning why people believe in God. It's disrespectful.​

This sounds like an interesting fanfic, where can I read the rest of it?
 

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You're not Agnostic, buddy I would know. All of your posts have been claiming the denial of existence of a God, that's Atheism, Agnosticism acknowledges there may be a God but humans are incapable of comprehending it. Agnosticism isn't acknowledging you can't disprove it it's understanding and accepting humans are incapable of understanding the concept of God accurately.

your not going to sit here and tell me what i believe, just because i deny the existence of a Christian, Jewish or Muslim god does not make me an atheist. You have no idea what my belief structure is.
 

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Hehe, you question my belief and can't share yours,why?

Because i dont feel like typing out all the details of my personal belief's and i honestly doubt you could comprehend them any way.
 

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Yes you were you clearly didn't read my OP and made an assumption why can't you just admit that XD

Lel, again you got me wrong bro. Look, just forget it xd
 

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You're not Agnostic, buddy I would know. All of your posts have been claiming the denial of existence of a God, that's Atheism, Agnosticism acknowledges there may be a God but humans are incapable of comprehending it. Agnosticism isn't acknowledging you can't disprove it it's understanding and accepting humans are incapable of understanding the concept of God accurately.

Agnostics can be either theistic or atheistic, depending on what they believe (versus what they know).

Lel, again you got me wrong bro. Look, just forget it xd

You said that I wanted to believe in God but couldn't and I said no I didn't say that I already explained it in my OP. You made an assumption and I proved it wrong. Why can't you just say that ?

EDIT : Finally you admitted see doesn't that feel better.
 
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your not going to sit here and tell me what i believe, just because i deny the existence of a Christian, Jewish or Muslim god does not make me an atheist. You have no idea what my belief structure is.

I don't know what it is I've never claimed I did, but I can tell by what you've said so far you're not Agnostic. You might like to believe you are and call yourself one but you've shown nothing of the sort yet.

"just because i deny the existence of a god does not make me an atheist"
That's kinda the definition of Atheism, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist, if you deny the existence that's a rejection of belief of existence. Seriously I'm not gonna sit here and hold your hand why you identify your beliefs.

Also no one here ever mentioned specifically beliving in an Abrahamic God the OP asked about God there are many concepts of God and you've been denouncing everyone who spoke up for one generalizing them as Abrahamic archetypes.

Good bye and have fun being so filled with disgust and anger towards your fellow humans simply because they believe something you disagree with, that's always the mature thing to do.
 

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Agnostics can be either theistic or atheistic, depending on what they believe (versus what they know).



You said that I wanted to believe in God but couldn't and I said no I didn't say that I already explained it in my OP. You made an assumption and I proved it wrong. Why can't you just say that ?

EDIT : Finally you admitted see doesn't that feel better.

Whatever :p
I hope you get enlightened man. :)
 

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Agnostics can be either theistic or atheistic, depending on what they believe (versus what they know).



You said that I wanted to believe in God but couldn't and I said no I didn't say that I already explained it in my OP. You made an assumption and I proved it wrong. Why can't you just say that ?

EDIT : Finally you admitted see doesn't that feel better.

Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether or not God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable.[1][2][3] In the popular sense of the term, an "agnostic", according to the philosopher William L. Rowe, is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of God, while a theist believes that God does exist and an atheist does not believe that God exists.[2] Agnosticism is a doctrine or set of tenets[4] rather than a religion as such.
Yeah it's Wikipedia but you can check anywhere and you'll find the same thing. Agnostics believe the answers are unknown and may never be figured out, both of you are stating as a fact he doesn't exist, that by definition is Atheistic and not Agnostic.

Look I'm not trying to be mean but you and Hattake should really learn the definitions of the belief systems before you decide to challenge them on validity.
 

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People tend to get very confused about it . Lol

Apparently just because you dont believe in a Christian, Muslim or Jewish god your automatically an Atheist right? Oh how could it ever be possible for some one to hold their own personal beliefs? They all think were the same.
 

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Whatever :p
I hope you get enlightened man. :)

Enlightened huh Lol what do you mean ? You don't have to answer in paragraphs Lol I think I'm pretty open minded I was a Christian too at a point.
 

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Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether or not God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable.[1][2][3] In the popular sense of the term, an "agnostic", according to the philosopher William L. Rowe, is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of God, while a theist believes that God does exist and an atheist does not believe that God exists.[2] Agnosticism is a doctrine or set of tenets[4] rather than a religion as such.
Yeah it's Wikipedia but you can check anywhere and you'll find the same thing. Agnostics believe the answers are unknown and may never be figured out, both of you are stating as a fact he doesn't exist, that by definition is Atheistic and not Agnostic.

Look I'm not trying to be mean but you and Hattake should really learn the definitions of the belief systems before you decide to challenge them on validity.

They're are many types of Agnostics it's not just black and white. There are many shades of grey.

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Agnosticism has more recently been subdivided into several categories. Variations include:

Agnostic atheism
The view of those who do not believe in the existence of any deity, but do not claim to know if a deity does or does not exist.[22][23][24]
Agnostic theism
The view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.[22]
Apathetic or pragmatic agnosticism
The view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic. Therefore, their existence has little to no impact on personal human affairs and should be of little theological interest.[25][26]
Strong agnosticism (also called "hard", "closed", "strict", or "permanent agnosticism")
The view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities, and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."[27][28][29]
Weak agnosticism (also called "soft", "open", "empirical", or "temporal agnosticism")
The view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable; therefore, one will withhold judgment until evidence, if any, becomes available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day, if there is evidence, we can find something out."[27][28][29]
 

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Apparently just because you dont believe in a Christian, Muslim or Jewish god your automatically an Atheist right? Oh how could it ever be possible for some one to hold their own personal beliefs? They all think were the same.

No one ever said that except you, Hindus aren't Atheist nor Buddhists, or any other religion believing in a God, only people who don't believe in the existence of God are Atheist, seriously read a book. The OP never said why do Christians, Muslims and Jews believe in God he said why
 

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I don't know what it is I've never claimed I did, but I can tell by what you've said so far you're not Agnostic. You might like to believe you are and call yourself one but you've shown nothing of the sort yet.

"just because i deny the existence of a god does not make me an atheist"
That's kinda the definition of Atheism, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist, if you deny the existence that's a rejection of belief of existence. Seriously I'm not gonna sit here and hold your hand why you identify your beliefs.

Also no one here ever mentioned specifically beliving in an Abrahamic God the OP asked about God there are many concepts of God and you've been denouncing everyone who spoke up for one generalizing them as Abrahamic archetypes.

Good bye and have fun being so filled with disgust and anger towards your fellow humans simply because they believe something you disagree with, that's always the mature thing to do.

Lmao I never claimed to be an atheist though so just stahp please stahp and "Agnostic" is the only way to define my personal beliefs, Just because one does not believe in a god it does not mean they cant believe in energy and spirits. I like how you think you know what i feel in regards to other humans, please tell me more about my self i dont know :heh:
 
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