[Discussion] Existence of a God.

[Ansatsuken]

You got it wrong. There are two types of Jihad. One which is fighting the wrong doers, and one which is the struggle with oneself. Jihad is conducted only against those who carry weapons to fight us. Kill the non-believers who are fighting you only, not any non believer walking on the streets. No, that's wrong. It's considered a sin if you kill a non believer who is not causing any harm of is fighting you.
Plus, anyone can write anything in Wikipedia. It's better to check on real sources. And, if Islam actually tells me to kill all non-believers, what am I doing here? I would be the first to ride on the next plane to Europe to bomb some people, lol

Can you give me a clarification in regard of Muslim must kill an apostate person.

Example is:
1 there is one person that is Muslim but change his/her religion to Buddhist after that(can we kill them?)

2 there is one person that is non-Muslim at first but change his/her religion to Islam and then change back to his former religion(can we kill them?)

I'm very confused about this matters that been told in AL-Quran.

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

It depends on the religion you're talking about. Jihab exists and will continue to do so. It basically tells you to kill the unbelievers or those who believe in different religions and that you will be awarded in the afterlife.

bro i never knew you meant jihad, see you read wrong jihad in the holy books serves as history and nothing else. its the war the prophet fought for the sake of Islam and also self-defence right now the only jihad left for us is jihad of the heart, killing anyone both believer or non believer is wrong and punishable, however fighting for right to worship and self defence is still legal

 

[Byron123]

bro i never knew you meant jihad, see you read wrong jihad in the holy books serves as history and nothing else. its the war the prophet fought for the sake of Islam and also self-defence right now the only jihad left for us is jihad of the heart, killing anyone both believer or non believer is wrong and punishable, however fighting for right to worship and self defence is still legal

I realized that I was misinformed and thus I can't have a correct opinion on the matter. I apologize from those that I offended you.

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

Can you give me a clarification in regard of Muslim must kill an apostate person.

Example is:
1 there is one person that is Muslim but change his/her religion to Buddhist after that(can we kill them?)

2 there is one person that is non-Muslim at first but change his/her religion to Islam and then change back to his former religion(can we kill them?)

I'm very confused about this matters that been told in AL-Quran.

no no that's wrong as Muslim if today you kill someone (intentional/not intentional. Muslim/non Muslim) it is punishable with sixty days of continuous fasting or feeding of sixty beggars or freeing slave and there are still other punishment that follows. so killing someone is wrong in islam

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

I realized that I was misinformed and thus I can't have a correct opinion on the matter. I apologize from those that I offended you.

no biggie am not someone that get offended only of course if you insult my favorite character

 

[Byron123]

no biggie am not someone that get offended only of course if you insult my favorite character

Yeah but what if your fave is your god? XD Godara XD

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

lollzz

 

[Awkward Linguist]

From what I see people usually think that a God exists. What I don't understand is why ? The concept of God has never been proven with proof. It's a belief. Belief - confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:faith. People usually think that since Science doesn't have the answers to everything,then God did it which is The God of Gaps argument,since we don't know why or how something happens whether it be the creation of the universe or morality it must've been God which doesn't make much sense when you really think about it. That's what religion does it doesn't change it's stance and think it's infallible. Unlike Science which has admitted many occasion where it's been wrong.

How can one prove a God exists ? It's something man made it's a primitive concept,it's never been proven it's just a belief it's not anything factual why can't people understand this.

Everything that lead to the birth of this planet has been too perfect. Puny mortals like us should not question God's existent for he does exist.​

 

[Mypower]

[indent]Everything that lead to the birth of this planet has been too perfect. Puny mortals like us should not question God's existent for he does exist.[/indent]

@bold no it hasn't disease,natural disasters etc. No just no everything wasn't made perfectly since we got folks like you.
What evidence do you have that proves God exists.

 

[chopstickchakra]

From what I see people usually think that a God exists. What I don't understand is why ? The concept of God has never been proven with proof. It's a belief. Belief - confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:faith. People usually think that since Science doesn't have the answers to everything,then God did it which is The God of Gaps argument,since we don't know why or how something happens whether it be the creation of the universe or morality it must've been God which doesn't make much sense when you really think about it. That's what religion does it doesn't change it's stance and think it's infallible. Unlike Science which has admitted many occasion where it's been wrong.

How can one prove a God exists ? It's something man made it's a primitive concept,it's never been proven it's just a belief it's not anything factual why can't people understand this.

" been proven with proof"
Is there any other way to prove something?

Has it ever been disproved "with proof"? Just because something hasn't been proven doesn't equate to proof of it's non existence. Gravity wasn't "proven" for a long time, there was no quantifiable identifier of gravity but it still existed.

The real important question is why do Atheists after becoming one gain this enormous smugness about them? Your belief that God doesn't exist(we should avoid using HE as it implies the Christian ideal of a humanoid God and the odds of that are incredibly small, too assume God has a permanent physical form or even a relatable shape to us is folly, the existence of a supreme being is beyond human conception) is taken on just as much faith as the religious people your ilk loves to mock to feel better about yourselves. Agnostics have the right viewpoint, it's just too funny to me when Atheists who have no backing in science take arguments made by others as their own and blindly regurgitate them because they agree with the viewpoint(exactly the same as religious people do from their religious leaders)

The sooner both sides realize they can't disprove the other and can't convince them to agree with them we'll all be a lot better. Why do you care what people choose to believe? And don't give me the lame "people use religion for war" excuse anyone with a partial brain knows the people who do that are only using their religion and manipulating the people who believe in it for their own selfish gain, that includes fundamentalist extremists, that includes quite a few of the Catholic Popes, that includes Caesar. Just because a lot of people have been able to manipulate religion in their favor doesn't mean it's a bad concept, the internet is a great idea but it's used daily to harm people emotionally, financially and sometimes physically but we don't blame the internet for those peoples actions, why do we judge the religions themselves because of how a few people act while claiming to believe?

 

[Jɑégar]

OP, you really seem uncertain about what you're saying. It's like you want to believe but you can't; you seek help.

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

Hebrews 11:1
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Having faith in God is believing in his existence, even if we can't see him with our own eyes. Doubt and fear cannot exist where their is faith, because faith gives you the strength to trust in something that may seem impossible. But what we see as impossible is not impossible for God.

2 Corinthians 5:7
"We live by faith, not by sight"

Just because you can't see something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Obviously, we can't see oxygen in the air, but of course we know it exist because we can breath. Yes, science has discovered many amazing things such as oxygen, the stars, and much more. However, all those things couldn't have just appeared out of nowhere like some big bang theory nonsense, except by the involvement of some higher power which we can justify as God.

People believe to much what they can only see with the eyes, rather than having faith in something that cannot be seen. I remember when I was little, my friends would play a game where u close your eyes and fall backwards while the other person catches you. However, u mustn't stumble or doubt that person behind and must willingly put your trust in that person, whether u bust your head or not lol. That game taught me a lesson about faith and how even though I couldn't see the person or where I was falling I was able to have trust in that person that they would catch me. Some people would start to fall back and catch themselves before the other person could even get the chance to catch them, thus showing their lack of trust and faith in that person.

To me that is what faith really is. Its having a genuine trust in someone or something, and knowing that they exist and will be there for you. However, if u doubt or lack trust then you have very little faith.

Everyone however has a choice to believe what they want too and no one can make anyone do anything. I just wanted to let you know why people believe in a God whether there is proof or not. Its called faith my friend.

Really? " some big bang theory nonsense" LMFAOOOO omg you people kill me... yah thats the nonsense sure.

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

Everything that lead to the birth of this planet has been too perfect. Puny mortals like us should not question God's existent for he does exist.​

Oh Please provide definitive proof your "God" exists as you say he does.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

@bold no it hasn't disease,natural disasters etc. No just no everything wasn't made perfectly since we got folks like you.
What evidence do you have that proves God exists.

In my eyes the existence of God has been proved way too many times. Everything that lead to planet earth being created was by the will of God. Big bang is true, and God caused it. Science is a crossroad. You either believe that it proves God's existence or it disproves. You see I dislike people like you; always using the same old bullshit "oh but we have diseases and natural disasters etc therefore god doesn't exist". Cringe-worthy nonsense. Don't seriously tell me you expected life on planet earth to be simple and perfect. Diseases and natural disasters are as much part of this planet as we are. Why is an insignificant mortal like you showing distaste to things of greater power & significance? People like you do not pay attention to the good that has become of this word, but gape your eyes and question God's existence over flaws. Like Muslims say, it's a test. You're bombarded with many problems in life. Life is not a cup of tea, man the f*** up and deal with your problems like the rest of us. Some lose faith in God because their life is crap, but.. surprise motherf*ckers! So is ours. Have you ever looked into the stars and wondered who created this beauty? How this all happened? It couldn't have been just a coincidence. Miracles are created by God's hand. We (animals and us humans) are the only living beings out of the countless galaxies there are. The rest of the universe is there to display God's almighty power. Anyways, it's up to you weather you want to believe in God or not. But don't go around questioning why people believe in God. It's disrespectful.​

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

In my eyes the existence of God has been proved way too many times. Everything that lead to planet earth being created was by the will of God. Big bang is true, and God caused it. Science is a crossroad. You either believe that it proves God's existence or it disproves. You see I dislike people like you; always using the same old bullshit "oh but we have diseases and natural disasters etc therefore god doesn't exist". Cringe-worthy nonsense. Don't seriously tell me you expected life on planet earth to be simple and perfect. Diseases and natural disasters are as much part of this planet as we are. Why is an insignificant mortal like you showing distaste to things of greater power & significance? People like you do not pay attention to the good that has become of this word, but gape your eyes and question God's existence over flaws. Like Muslims say, it's a test. You're bombarded with many problems in life. Life is not a cup of tea, man the f*** up and deal with your problems like the rest of us. Some lose faith in God because their life is crap, but.. surprise motherf*ckers! So is ours. Have you ever looked into the stars and wondered who created this beauty? How this all happened? It couldn't have been just a coincidence. Miracles are created by God's hand. We (animals and us humans) are the only living beings out of the countless galaxies there are. The rest of the universe is there to display God's almighty power. Anyways, it's up to you weather you want to believe in God or not. But don't go around questioning why people believe in God. It's disrespectful.​

All i read was blah blah blah, I still cant provide definitive proof except for my faith, and im guna try and throw science in there with god. OK sure good one!!!

 

[Awkward Linguist]

All i read was blah blah blah, I still cant provide definitive proof except for my faith, and im guna try and throw science in there with god. OK sure good one!!!

I don't care for what you read, lmfao. I wasn't replying to you so mind your own damn business, pleb.​

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

I don't care for what you read, lmfao. I wasn't replying to you so mind your own damn business, pleb.​

I will not, You just go around saying God exists like you have facts to back it up, when you clearly do not. your Arrogant, And you call us disrespectful for simply questioning? Your type is the absolute worst.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

-snip-

Ninja please, I'm not forcing you to believe that God exists. Don't question me, it's my belief. LMFAO wow people like you are scumbags. You have a problem with my belief now? Lelel boi sounds like you're trying to rustle jimmies. Nice try though

Negged and forgotten ​

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

Ninja please, I'm not forcing you to believe that God exists. Don't question me, it's my belief. LMFAO wow people like you are scumbags. You have a problem with my belief now? Lelel boi sounds like you're trying to rustle jimmies. Nice try though

Negged and forgotten ​

OOOhhhh you neg repped me lmfaooooo some one is mad huh? When did I say i had a problem with your belief? I will question whomever I want when ever I want. Once again you like all the others still CAN NOT provide Definitive proof your "God" exists. Just admit it.

 

[Mypower]

" been proven with proof"
Is there any other way to prove something?

Has it ever been disproved "with proof"? Just because something hasn't been proven doesn't equate to proof of it's non existence. Gravity wasn't "proven" for a long time, there was no quantifiable identifier of gravity but it still existed.

The real important question is why do Atheists after becoming one gain this enormous smugness about them? Your belief that God doesn't exist(we should avoid using HE as it implies the Christian ideal of a humanoid God and the odds of that are incredibly small, too assume God has a permanent physical form or even a relatable shape to us is folly, the existence of a supreme being is beyond human conception) is taken on just as much faith as the religious people your ilk loves to mock to feel better about yourselves. Agnostics have the right viewpoint, it's just too funny to me when Atheists who have no backing in science take arguments made by others as their own and blindly regurgitate them because they agree with the viewpoint(exactly the same as religious people do from their religious leaders)

The sooner both sides realize they can't disprove the other and can't convince them to agree with them we'll all be a lot better. Why do you care what people choose to believe? And don't give me the lame "people use religion for war" excuse anyone with a partial brain knows the people who do that are only using their religion and manipulating the people who believe in it for their own selfish gain, that includes fundamentalist extremists, that includes quite a few of the Catholic Popes, that includes Caesar. Just because a lot of people have been able to manipulate religion in their favor doesn't mean it's a bad concept, the internet is a great idea but it's used daily to harm people emotionally, financially and sometimes physically but we don't blame the internet for those peoples actions, why do we judge the religions themselves because of how a few people act while claiming to believe?

God and Gravity are two entirely different concepts. I'm not sure why tieing gravity with God explains anything. Can you please elaborate more on this or use a different example that can help your argument.

I'm not a smug or a better term arrogant person I realize that I could be wrong. It's not only atheist there are many other people that are arrogant like Muslims,Christians,Jews why are you only choosing atheists that seems a bit biased. Again I don't have a belief that God does not exist I lack the belief in a God, Atheism isn't a belief based system. Also I'm not only talking about only the Judeo-Christain God I don't have belief in all deities.

Also no one can prove a negative. I know this. I guess maybe I wasn't coming a bit clearly in my OP. No one believes in Zeus but can they disprove it no it's the same way with the "God" people are "atheistic" when it comes to alot of things like the Easter Bunny, Zeus,Prometheous, Aphrodite,ISIS(Goddess) but not about their God all I'm doing is just going on one God further.

I'm not saying religion is a bad concept I'm saying that it doesn't require any evidence,it's just a belief people seem to not to understand this they always think that God is real and everything around the earth proves it. I don't get how that shows a God exists.

OP, you really seem uncertain about what you're saying. It's like you want to believe but you can't; you seek help.

I'm pretty sure I said I was an atheist .

In my eyes the existence of God has been proved way too many times. Everything that lead to planet earth being created was by the will of God. Big bang is true, and God caused it. Science is a crossroad. You either believe that it proves God's existence or it disproves. You see I dislike people like you; always using the same old bullshit "oh but we have diseases and natural disasters etc therefore god doesn't exist". Cringe-worthy nonsense. Don't seriously tell me you expected life on planet earth to be simple and perfect. Diseases and natural disasters are as much part of this planet as we are. Why is an insignificant mortal like you showing distaste to things of greater power & significance? People like you do not pay attention to the good that has become of this word, but gape your eyes and question God's existence over flaws. Like Muslims say, it's a test. You're bombarded with many problems in life. Life is not a cup of tea, man the f*** up and deal with your problems like the rest of us. Some lose faith in God because their life is crap, but.. surprise motherf*ckers! So is ours. Have you ever looked into the stars and wondered who created this beauty? How this all happened? It couldn't have been just a coincidence. Miracles are created by God's hand. We (animals and us humans) are the only living beings out of the countless galaxies there are. The rest of the universe is there to display God's almighty power. Anyways, it's up to you weather you want to believe in God or not. But don't go around questioning why people believe in God. It's disrespectful.​

Let me respond with this video. Please watch it. This describes what I'm trying to say.


[video=youtube;ovlrV7SoPCo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovlrV7SoPCo[/video]

Ninja please, I'm not forcing you to believe that God exists. Don't question me, it's my belief. LMFAO wow people like you are scumbags. You have a problem with my belief now? Lelel boi sounds like you're trying to rustle jimmies. Nice try though

Negged and forgotten ​

Please be respectful come on man. U_U We just talking no need to be rude.