When someone brings up the "bad writing" excuse, this is what they really mean:
"I have to make some kind of criticism of the show or otherwise people will get the idea that I like it too much".
lol that or " I want to hate the girl so it must be the bad writing".
Not from her brother, father, friend or the sage. Her gifts are inherent talent and I already said it. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. Sounds like you are finally accepting her talent. 'Fine by me ^^.
Inherent talent. They all have
inherent talent. Your point is entirely moot.
I was referring to a specific argument where the other person reminded that Kakashi said Sakura had the best chakra control out of three.. Which obviously escapes your understanding for some reason yet you feel like replying something for the sake of it...
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So? Sakura is not the genius of the century is she? Besides Itachi had sharingan to boost his powers and his clan KG and jutsus. Plus he was born during war time and grew up seeing too much violence and his family is one of the leading families in Konoha.
Blah blah blah. My point was that she is not the exception - or exceptional - in "mastering an s-rank technique" at a young age (being 13).
Did I say she is exceptional? Nope. I was arguing she was normal. Your point is redundant.
I find it highly debatable that she mastered that technique at 13 anyway - she may have begun it, but I don't think it was truly "mastered" until she released it and used it affectively, and that was when she was 17.
Okie dokie no idea with whom you are debating that since I didn't say anything regarding it.
Again a renowned father ( better training in childhood) + got a sharingan gifted to him. And war- funny you would mention that as if ending up in a war situation was a personal accomplishment... He didn't succeed that much is war did he? Despite his gifts- Obito "died" ( supposedly) saving him and Rin ended up dead. Minato gets blame for being busy with other missions and not being able to help them out.
His father being renowned has
nothing to do with it. At all.
He died when Kakashi was what? Five years old? His training had an impact on his early life, but I sincerely doubt it was instrumental in his creating Chidori.
Actually he died 5 years before Kakashi became a Jounin. And I didn't say he learned chidori from his father did I? chidori was Kakashi's attempt at adding his element to rasengan. RAsengan - which he learned from Minato. Now tell me one good reason why Kakashi did not try to teach this rasengan to all his students.
He doesn't even explain Naruto why he cannot teach it to him. Chidori he couldn't. But he could teach the other two rasengan. Especially when he knew Sakura had good chakra control at the time still he didn't bother. Some teacher to show such bias- he went on to say on record that he chose Sasuke because he saw himself in him.
He should have been guiding Sakura being her teacher but he let's her slack off.
Surviving the 3rd Shinobi War is an achievement, it was after all a war and shinobi have rather short lifespans due to the nature of their work. When you consider that he graduated the Academy at age 5 - made Chunin at 6 - Jonin at 13, not to mention being the son of Konoha's White Fang and being the student of Konoha's Yellow Flash; he might as well have had a sign painted on his back saying "Please try and kill me, I like it."
So yes; a personal accomplishment.
First time around Obito died in his lace - then he returned from death and spared him even when going crazy otherwise. And somehow it's not Obito's doing but Kakashi's accomplishment... OK...
I guess blabbering the top secret of the village Kushina being pregnant and going to deliver in loud voice at a grave and thus getting the Hokage killed along with family was also an accomplishment by that logic.
I like Kakashi but I am not going to pretend he is flawless when he is not. ^^
Obito and Rin sacrificed themselves - the in the true spirit of the Will of Fire. I'm not sure what you expect Kakashi to have done to avoid that.
Hey I was not the one harping about his accomplishment in that war. You made the claim so you should count some. Survival is an achievement when you are the one ensuring it for yourself. Not when your friends are ensuring that you remain safe.
Because I personally feel that Kishi is capable - and has created some great female characters but the undeniable fact is; Sakura isn't one of them.
Meh well he could write her better. So I agree here.
]Because he was taught. And you have poor understanding of what poor chakra control meant- Kakashi said Naruto wasted too much chakra in doing the same thing, Sakura wasted almost nothing. Sasuke was in between he wasted much less chakra than Naruto but more than Sakura if all three performed the same tech. Naruto had too much to spare so he succeeded despite poor control back then. Plus you seem to forget he was TAUGHT that tech by his godfather. Sakura was neglected completely during that time.
My understanding of poor chakra control is perfectly fine. I think you have a poor understanding of how exactly Jiraiya TAUGHT Naruto.
If you think that was sufficient teaching, then... kudos to you. I don't.
Jiraiya? Talking about poor understanding...what your reply has to do with my post here?
Bleh. I have to delete so so much... bumph because it's just too much.
No idea why did you even bother seeing the responses ou could come up with...
I'll make some brief points to cover anything significant...
Ahem
1. Yes, only two people summoning a Slug Summon because.... *gasp* Tsunade didn't teach everyone else, hence why they can't do it. Shocking, isn't it?
Such a great attempt at saracasm and still so frail- Shizune tried. Couldn't do it. If you think everybody could do it, you obviously have been reading some other manga. ^^
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2. Sakura's "normal family" is a moot point. She has Tsunade from the age of 13, regardless of what happened in the Academy or under Kakashi's care. She had a Sannin for a Master and she is her main student...
It's like whining about how the other Rookies didn't get a Sannin. So she didn't have a Clan or shinobi parents, big whoop.
And from that point she started excelling. ^^ So exactly what was the point you were making?
That sums up your whole response.
No. It was.[/QUOTE]
No idea what you are addressing to but if you are saying that then probably it wasn't.
This point right here is my most favorite point from this post. This is the reason why I never fell for that whole "Shes a normal girl excuse". A normal girl does not get trained by a well known Sanin who is well known around the world for there medical ninjutsue. A normal girl is someone who starts out from below and reaches the top without any special resources. What Sakura is, is a special girl because she is part of a special team that consists of two legends Naruto and Sasuke. Which normal girl gets to be part of a team like that? I have not seen many.
How strong of you to disregard the mangaverse to cling to your personal prejudice against a character!!
So a personal without an emo background and a clan tech or KG or Bijju is special. Scratch what I said just able- you are right she is special because she got up there without any of these top ups.
Even if I lived in the same village as Kishi that still does not mean he will right away train me. Also meeting him would not be easy, let alone starting a student teacher relationship. Kishi is not a main teacher of a college either but so isn't Tsunade.
Tsunade is a Hokage not a teacher like Iruka. She is a well renowned Sannin who is basically up there as far as medical ninjustue is concerned. Can you honestly tell me with a honest face that most normal people would get accepted by someone with the caliber of Tsunade? Honestly I don't think so. That is why she is a special person not a normal person. Because only select few can get the opportunities like she did. She may not be a Senju, Uchiha nor Uzamaki but she is still someone who has had far more opportunities than any average human would to achieve her goals. Also being part of a team of legends or being paralleled with them takes only a special character to be part of it. No normal character would be part of something as special. Basically my point is, she's not from a special clan nor does she have any special heritages but plot made her special. Meaning she is not a normal girl she is a special girl.
Plot makes each of them the way they are. Duh
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Read the message on the side- the most important thing.. Kishi was going for his message- he only went about it some 4910 times.. One would think people would finally catch on. :|
Tsunade accepted her because she had learned about her from Kakashi and also saw her reaction to hospitalized Naruto.
Sakura's family is uttery unknown, but it's obvious she is from a clan even that symbol she wears.
Oh my!! We thought kakashi plucked her from a Cherry blossom tree!
The reason why we don't know anything about her clan is because she was unpopular, according to Kishi.
Accroding to Kishi's 2004 interview in Viz he said he didn't add a BG since she was a normal girl. Which interview ou are referring to?
The fact that we know more about Ino's clan than Sakura's is disgracful.
Actually Kishi was the one that considered Hinata being heroine, but editors rejected it.
Source? You seem to have a hot line to Kishi.
Tsunade and Chiyo's characters>Sakura's.
Chhiyo couldn't save Konkuro from sasori's poison.
That's not a background at all. The closest thing to a background was the bullying thing, which only explained the rivalry with Ino.
Kishi should have explained why had that view about parents and why she wore that symbol all the time.
Kishi should have at least had her admit inferiority like Vegeta did. Then she wouldn't have came off as arrogant.
You asked me if there was a problem-Just noted that you keep bumping the thread with pointless negativity without adding anything new to the discussion over and over.
Tch. Sakura doesn't get the "normal girl" label.
Reasons;
- Pink hair - PINK
- Gigantic Forehead
- Split personality
- Uncontrollable bouts of violence
- Slug Princess Tsunade (a Sannin) for a Master
... none of the above are what you'd call "normal".
That would be
Tenten.
- No ridiculous hair/eye colouring
- No gigantic forehead
- No split personality or issues with controlling her rage/anger
- No Sannin Master
:| The level of argument is rising.... I seriously hope it was just a joke.
Kishi never gave a crap about Sakura, he changed her face only (and her clothes? wow) many time for 15 years instead of making that character interesting, appealing for the audience and valuable for the story...
he's such a troll, maybe he hate her even more than every single one of us because he clearly never had any intention to save her and you don't forget a character if you care about it, come on let's be honest here XD
I doubt he forgot about her the way kids think. Unfortunately for her, he spent most of his time redeeming his villain.
