[Debate] Would the abolishment of religion be good or bad?

[FubukiShirou]

You'd have to be quite ignorant to believe that. We're naturally curious as humans. We've been observing our own environment since we were still part of the common ancestor with the Apes. Science would have been developed regardless, especially medical science. I'm not salty. I just don't sympathize with the ignorant.

Son, come back when you actually fully read one of the holy books. because you're the ignorant here.

 

[FubukiShirou]

How does one abolish beliefs :|

You can't, people who believe in a religion grows every day.

 

[Transcendence]

How does one abolish beliefs :|

Not how. But would it be good or bad. Regardless, if they weren't needed anymore it should be possible.

 

[Gerkak]

I know it is. But what do you do? Remove the humans or remove the religion? On one hand you're committing genocide, and on the other you're just removing religion. Humans can exist without religion. Religion can't exist without humans.

Religion is part of humanity, while humans can exist without it the problems of the world aren't as a result of religion but human interpretation of it. Within every organisation humans are involved there have been disagreements and censorship, that have caused conflict. Even within the scientific community certain research is censored and banned while others are promoted. Why is this? if science is supposed to be transparent why are people doing this? String theory for example, since its begining has not contributed anything to science or humanity yet every year billions of dollars are spent on trying to prove a theory that can't even be proven. These huge sums of money could be used to reduce poverty yet they are being used to satisfy a cabal.

My point is that humans will always find someway to cause problems for each other one must look at the bigger picture humans have to change their attitude. Like I said the religion isn't the problem it is the humans who follow the religion that problem.

 

[Brünhild]

I think people must have faith and believe in "something bigger" than themselves, it's part of human nature. I'm not religious though, but I don't have nothing against it. The only bad thing about some religions, especially the monotheist ones is the extremism, which lead to prejudice and some bad actions as the one we witnessed on France. It's something we barely see on pagan religions.

 

[Transcendence]

Son, come back when you actually fully read one of the holy books. because you're the ignorant here.

> Calls me ignorant for not reading a fairy tale book
> Says we wouldn't have had medicine without religion

Lol.

 

[Hàdes1]

The religion is also problematic because it takes the responsibility from the individual away. If its god-justified it must be pure and true..
I cant stand the idea that god is such a sadist who let his creation suffer in pain because of self-adulation..
A being which created everything should be standing above this in my opinion.
We dont have to kill eachother because of a fairytale (my opinion) we are all human on this planet developed through evolution and had a tough way so far.

Peace and love, bros.

@Bold: he does this to test us. To see how much we will endure and still believe in him.

Its a test and we are all in it

 

[DroGGz0r]

My point is that humans will always find someway to cause problems for each other one must look at the bigger picture humans have to change their attitude. Like I said the religion isn't the problem it is the humans who follow the religion that problem.

Basically, this...

 

[FubukiShirou]

> Calls me ignorant for not reading a fairy tale book
> Says we wouldn't have had medicine without religion

Lol.

Smh, keep being ignorant kid and maybe then you should be able to stop hating on people for no reason.

 

[VongolaLegacy]

You can't, people who believe in a religion grows every day.

You are deny science and the inventor who created the machine you are using at the moment.
I give you a hint it wasnt Adam or Eve.

 

[Transcendence]

There was an article about this topic on BBC Future a month ago

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People often confuse two different things - religion and faith. As it is explained, people are "programmed" to seek for hope or explanation for their sufferings in religion. Even if some religions might vanish or significantly decrease in number, people will always have faith in something or someone.

Insightful article. But there's a difference. People cling to religious beliefs as some sort of self-validification. Like their actions mean something in the grand scheme of things. Having faith in something isn't the same, it just coincides with believing in something. Humans can always cling to faith for anything they get themselves involved in. They're not one in the same, which is why I see Religious beliefs as primitive when their core function is outdated and not needed anymore.

 

[FubukiShirou]

You are deny science and the inventor who created the machine you are using at the moment.
I give you a hint it wasnt Adam or Eve.

Who said I was denying anything? because I'm pretty sure I never said that. but I hate when people hate on shit for no reason, if you dont believe in something stop *****ing and keep it to yourself it's that simple.

 

[Aoihime]

Not how. But would it be good or bad. Regardless, if they weren't needed anymore it should be possible.

It won't be possible. Religion was created by humans for humans just so that they can feel good and understand the things that were not understandable for humans at the time. Religion does also cause war and conflicts but I doubt people will drop religion.

Weather it's a good thing or bad, I can't be sure.

 

[Zealotic]

Not how. But would it be good or bad. Regardless, if they weren't needed anymore it should be possible.

Our society would not be the same challenging/proving religious concepts is what caused certain scientific advancements. People need an explanation for the unknown. 'Good' and 'Bad' are relative in this situation I guess it depends on your take on things. Purging religion form society would essentially omit/alter historic events

 

[Transcendence]

Religion is part of humanity, while humans can exist without it the problems of the world aren't as a result of religion but human interpretation of it. Within every organisation humans are involved there have been disagreements and censorship, that have caused conflict. Even within the scientific community certain research is censored and banned while others are promoted. Why is this? if science is supposed to be transparent why are people doing this? String theory for example, since its begining has not contributed anything to science or humanity yet every year billions of dollars are spent on trying to prove a theory that can't even be proven. These huge sums of money could be used to reduce poverty yet they are being used to satisfy a cabal.

My point is that humans will always find someway to cause problems for each other one must look at the bigger picture humans have to change their attitude. Like I said the religion isn't the problem it is the humans who follow the religion that problem.

That still just does a complete 180 and comes back to my main point. You say humans will always find a way to cause problems and religion isn't the problem, but if Humans are using religion to cause problems, why wouldn't you just limit the amount of mediums they can use to cause problems by getting rid of religion instead of thinking it will get any better with religion still here?

@Bold: he does this to test us. To see how much we will endure and still believe in him.

Its a test and we are all in it

That's more of a sign of indoctrination if anything. Is it fair that someone who worked hard are their life gets a terminal disease before they're even 40 and can barely see their kids grow up? That's not fair endurance in any regard.

Smh, keep being ignorant kid and maybe then you should be able to stop hating on people for no reason.

You can keep calling me ignorant, because frankly I don't care. You're indoctrinated and it's clear. I didn't hate on anyone, you just took it that way. Your post was flawed and I called you out on it. Simple as that.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Edit: Holy shit this comment got really messed up. Well, I have to leave for work now. How unfortunate...

 

[Gerkak]

Insightful article. But there's a difference. People cling to religious beliefs as some sort of self-validification. Like their actions mean something in the grand scheme of things. Having faith in something isn't the same, it just coincides with believing in something. Humans can always cling to faith for anything they get themselves involved in. They're not one in the same, which is why I see Religious beliefs as primitive when their core function is outdated and not needed anymore.

How do you know whether their actions aren't important in the grand scheme of things or not? They believe their actions are and they have faith, Einstien had faith that a theory of everything will be found some day. It is the same thing, if you are going to say that something must be proven before you can even consider it then you will be lost,

Human beings are not the most intelligent of creatures, in this modern era people believe religion is primitive due to some cultural revolutions that have been occurring during the turn of the 19th century. I always found strange how people believe it is more likely for aliens to exist than angels when there is no proof for either's existance, perhaps hollywood has something to do with it.

 

[Transcendence]

It won't be possible. Religion was created by humans for humans just so that they can feel good and understand the things that were not understandable for humans at the time. Religion does also cause war and conflicts but I doubt people will drop religion.

Weather it's a good thing or bad, I can't be sure.

That's why I find this such a debatable topic. But at least we're in agreement here. I just find religion in this day and age... primitive. In older eras it was used as a beacon of hope and a way to bring the masses of people together. The more science has advanced the more we learned about the way everything functions. I just don't see the purpose of religion now if we've advanced far beyond that point of ignorance. It just serves to stagnate some parts of medicine and overall science for illogical reasons. But then again, this could be subjective.

Our society would not be the same challenging/proving religious concepts is what caused certain scientific advancements. People need an explanation for the unknown. 'Good' and 'Bad' are relative in this situation I guess it depends on your take on things. Purging religion form society would essentially omit/alter historic events

How would it omit or alter historic events? The history would still be there. Religion's effect on civilization would still be documented. We'd just be enlightened to the point where we don't need it anymore.

 

[Ashura San]

Well first, this is virtually impossible. You can't stop a person from practicing a religion but I understand where you're coming from.

Second, let's say someone tried to do this. It wouldn't end well. Nations would go crazy and uproar and riot and revolt.

Third, it's cool and all you don't believe in religion but don't try to come to an anime forum with this. This is a highly controversial topic. It'll just cause unnecessary hate/bash comment against religion cause there seem to be a lot of people here who don't belive in religion or God.

I'm pretty well educated. Enough to know that no one knows for sure what's the truth behind religions and their origins. Therefore I don't limit myself to a religion but I do belive in Jesus Christ and God. The bible and other religious scriptures couldve been written by anyone for all we know.

I just have faith in God and trusts he'll lead me on whatever path he considers righteous.

 

[Panthalassa]

Disclaimer: This isn't mean to be a thread to stir up any controversy. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and I respect those. I'm an agnostic atheist myself but I don't judge. Don't turn this into something it isn't.

On to the topic. This has always been a huge debate in regards to how we as a species advance as a whole. If Religion had less influence if none at all, would that be better or worse for our species? Some people point towards Religion being a guideline for morals and ethics, but I can tell you first hand from personal experience, I've gone to Catholic schools for all my life and was born into a Christian family. Every time Religion was a class, everyone dozed off even when we were learning about ethics. My parents are still Christian but they never were hardcore and tried to teach us the supposedly deep morals the bible preaches. So I don't see how the bible (and by extension any other religious script) is supposed to be a moral guideline for people. People use their brains. It's all common sense. It's more biological than it is ethical. We react dependent on our own survival (Survival of the fittest aka Natural selection) and different biological tendencies will influence our reactions (The environment you grew up in is a massive influence). On top of all of this, there is always back and forth arguments about Religion inhibiting scientific innovation. I won't say yes or no to this because it's a very controversial topic, but we've come this far with religion still here. Without religion inhibiting let's say... stem cell research or other things that the religions have so much influence over, would we be further ahead than we are now?

It is probably really hard for you to separe the christian values of your society from what you learned from other cultures. The fact is, even if you are not a practicing christian, I know I am not, western religion is ingrained in society's values and ethical morals. If you were to be able to magically remove all influence any Religion had in any one's life, you'd take the good and the bad, and you'd see absolutely nothing, because our culture's beliefs are completely fused down to the core of who we are.

I do not believe in god, but I do believe in the power that Religion has to control and guide the masses, be it in a good way or a bad way. Religion is a powerful tool to understand where and who we are as individuals. Abolishing a right to believe is just as bad as abolishing a right to not.