[Debate] Would the abolishment of religion be good or bad?

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Disclaimer: This isn't mean to be a thread to stir up any controversy. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and I respect those. I'm an agnostic atheist myself but I don't judge. Don't turn this into something it isn't.

On to the topic. This has always been a huge debate in regards to how we as a species advance as a whole. If Religion had less influence if none at all, would that be better or worse for our species? Some people point towards Religion being a guideline for morals and ethics, but I can tell you first hand from personal experience, I've gone to Catholic schools for all my life and was born into a Christian family. Every time Religion was a class, everyone dozed off even when we were learning about ethics. My parents are still Christian but they never were hardcore and tried to teach us the supposedly deep morals the bible preaches. So I don't see how the bible (and by extension any other religious script) is supposed to be a moral guideline for people. People use their brains. It's all common sense. It's more biological than it is ethical. We react dependent on our own survival (Survival of the fittest aka Natural selection) and different biological tendencies will influence our reactions (The environment you grew up in is a massive influence). On top of all of this, there is always back and forth arguments about Religion inhibiting scientific innovation. I won't say yes or no to this because it's a very controversial topic, but we've come this far with religion still here. Without religion inhibiting let's say... stem cell research or other things that the religions have so much influence over, would we be further ahead than we are now?
 

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Disclaimer: This isn't mean to be a thread to stir up any controversy. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and I respect those. I'm an agnostic atheist myself but I don't judge. Don't turn this into something it isn't.

On to the topic. This has always been a huge debate in regards to how we as a species advance as a whole. If Religion had less influence if none at all, would that be better or worse for our species? Some people point towards Religion being a guideline for morals and ethics, but I can tell you first hand from personal experience, I've gone to Catholic schools for all my life and was born into a Christian family. Every time Religion was a class, everyone dozed off even when we were learning about ethics. My parents are still Christian but they never were hardcore and tried to teach us the supposedly deep morals the bible preaches. So I don't see how the bible (and by extension any other religious script) is supposed to be a moral guideline for people. People use their brains. It's all common sense. It's more biological than it is ethical. We react dependent on our own survival (Survival of the fittest aka Natural selection) and different biological tendencies will influence our reactions (The environment you grew up in is a massive influence). On top of all of this, there is always back and forth arguments about Religion inhibiting scientific innovation. I won't say yes or no to this because it's a very controversial topic, but we've come this far with religion still here. Without religion inhibiting let's say... stem cell research or other things that the religions have so much influence over, would we be further ahead than we are now?
Assuming abolishing religion is right, how could such even be accomplished?
 

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Religion is man-made so it was used to fit in a concept to explain the enviroment which is described by science today.
An other aspect is that it was used to control crowds and make them feel terrified by their own self.
I dont think that we need religion today.
 
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People were not educated back then, they could easy believe a well know person... They started to use that to gain at power to bring people to them and fight for them... If you think a little bit, you will start to see how stupid, nonsense this thing is bullshit... But the infloense was so great that we cant bring people to think on its own... and to live a life like it sopose to be not like they thought of...
 

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Cool for you, i've seen this kinda thread about 50 times.
Good for you.

Religion isn't the problem, human interpretations of religion and their behaviors are.
I know it is. But what do you do? Remove the humans or remove the religion? On one hand you're committing genocide, and on the other you're just removing religion. Humans can exist without religion. Religion can't exist without humans.

I agree!!! I love you for this! <3 Religion should have almost no influence at all imo.
Sulraj <3 Agreed.

The thing is, science doesnt give hope, religion gives hope. my opinion if you dont like it I dont give a ****.
Thanks for your insightful opinion. I don't care though. If you need hope, then that's pathetic. Religion gives you false, hollow hope. Science does give hope. In Human intelligence and intuition. Last time I checked, it's not God who would be operating on you if you had a heart attack which has a high chance to save you. You can thank Science for that Lol.

Assuming abolishing religion is right, how could such even be accomplished?
Frankly, I don't know. I'm not asking how we would do it. Because right now, Religion is so widespread it would be like trying to suck the world dry of all the water we have. Possible, but it would take a long time. I'm just asking if anyone thinks it would be bad or good.
 
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The religion is also problematic because it takes the responsibility from the individual away. If its god-justified it must be pure and true..
I cant stand the idea that god is such a sadist who let his creation suffer in pain because of self-adulation..
A being which created everything should be standing above this in my opinion.
We dont have to kill eachother because of a fairytale (my opinion) we are all human on this planet developed through evolution and had a tough way so far.

Peace and love, bros.
 
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From a philosophically blunt sense it would depend. Our entire history has been based off of religion, science in itself is practically religion with the "god" being the very matter and forces that make up all that there is or ever will continue to exist. Humans are skeptics at heart with or without religion we would still hold barbaric practices, murder, and commit genocide. With or without religion people would still be people, it's the same as saying if education is valuable. People snore off in classrooms too some are more "on fire" for education while others are not. Some people consider religion in itself to be primitive and no longer needed to advance in this world. But if you can believe that the universe began because there was a sudden boom out of nowhere then others should have the right to believe there is a God. Albeit each is entitled to their opinion human beings are imperfect beings who consciously or subconsciously desire perfection. You could say that we ourselves wish to subliminally become God and we would either become sheep that fall before those in power or power hungry wolves who cannot accept someone out there being above who they are and would gladly devour those who cannot stand for themselves (all of this being metaphoric in nature of course). Religion is whatever you make of it, if you believe there is a God so be it but if you don't then so be it. Religion has benefitted many people but in the end it us people as imperfect creatures that we are that goes against these practices. Could Gpd be real or just a figment to comprehend what we don't understand, be it as it may, by nature people are predisposed to act a certain way. It is by nurture that determines how we grow. Be that with religion or not is variable. So my answer is the abolishment of religion varies as if religion didn't exist we'd probably come up with something else. The abolishment of religion in the past would be tragic, but right now it would all depend on certain factors so the answer of yes or no is actually moot.
 

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Thanks for your insightful opinion. I don't care though. If you need hope, then that's pathetic. Religion gives you false, hollow hope. Science does give hope. In Human intelligence and intuition. Last time I checked, it's not God who would be operating on you if you had a heart attack which has a high chance to save you. You can thank Science for that Lol.
The thing is if you ever read any of the holy books you would know without religion there would be no science, everything that has anything with science was already in the books, if you look at medical etc. so stop getting salty for no reason ;)
 

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The thing is if you ever read any of the holy books you would know without religion there would be no science, everything that has anything with science was already in the books, if you look at medical etc. so stop getting salty for no reason ;)
Dude thats only your interpretation not the universal truth.
Today we are here because of some genius like Edison, Tesla, Albert Einstein, Newton, Alexander Fleming. Even before the holy books the greeks invented stuff, the indians, in every culture there were smart people who provided the mankind with their ideas and i am thankful.
 
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The thing is if you ever read any of the holy books you would know without religion there would be no science, everything that has anything with science was already in the books, if you look at medical etc. so stop getting salty for no reason ;)
You'd have to be quite ignorant to believe that. We're naturally curious as humans. We've been observing our own environment since we were still part of the common ancestor with the Apes. Science would have been developed regardless, especially medical science. I'm not salty. I just don't sympathize with the ignorant.
 

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There was an article about this topic on BBC Future a month ago People often confuse two different things - religion and faith. As it is explained, people are "programmed" to seek for hope or explanation for their sufferings in religion. Even if some religions might vanish or significantly decrease in number, people will always have faith in something or someone.
 
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