[VS] Tobirama vs 1MS Obito

[LuckyMan]

He placed his hand and armor in Mei's water dragon to paralyze madara. So it is fact he can choose what to do with his armor it would seem.

I knew there was an example supporting my post. I was just looking through old Raikage fights in the manga to find one but you beat me to it.

 

[Draegod]

Only read the bottom because unless i see a scan or Ei claiming his can shock people with his armor then your argument is moot... No it's not because ration travels through water by default my friend...

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here is the page proving he can indeed shock with the armor.

 

[LuckyMan]

Only read the bottom because unless i see a scan or Ei claiming his can shock people with his armor then your argument is moot... No it's not because ration travels through water by default my friend...

And why does Raiton travel through water by default? Because Raiton is Raiton and thats its nature. Its also electrocutes and paralyzes. Why? Because thats its nature. Now you're just making my points stronger.

 

[Draegod]

I knew there was an example supporting my post. I was just looking through old Raikage fights in the manga to find one but you beat me to it.

Lol yea, I'm on my phone so it takes longer to post links. I hopped on and seen he quoted me, so I had to help you out a bit even though I'm on the phone.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

By feats Raiton carries different priorities. One is focused in penetration others are focus on electrocution. When talking about Raiton that doesn't electrocute naturally, and focus on penetration, it seems that it only reacts like electrocution only in a response to water or suiton.

 

[LuckyMan]

By feats Raiton carries different priorities. One is focused in penetration others are focus on electrocution. When talking about Raiton that doesn't electrocute naturally, and focus on penetration, it seems that it only reacts like electrocution only in a response to water or suiton.

Wrong. Ays Raiton doesn't carry properties that Sasukes Raiton doesn't. The user manipulates the potency and properties of it as they see fit but its still Raiton so they all carry the same properties in the end, its just up to the user on how they manipulate it.

Sasuke can manipulate his Raiton to pierce/cut or electrocute depending on how he uses it:

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In that situation he needed to capture Bee, not kill him, so electrocution to knock him out was the best way to go. If he wanted to, that Chidori was certainly putting a whole through Bee since one gave Ay a shallow cut through his Raiton Armor. Heres examples of Raiton electrocuting and paralyzing with no Suiton source:

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Even with no Suiton source they still get electrocuted and paralyzed. Why? Well as you said, it seems Raiton reacts like electrocution only in a response to water; humans are 70% water. Its as simple as that.

Edit- This goes for pretty much any nature to be honest. They manipulate it according to how they need to use it. Its the same reason Temaris Futon didn't cut the Samurai up but instead she manipulated it just to remove their armor from them.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Wrong. Ays Raiton doesn't carry properties that Sasukes Raiton doesn't. The user manipulates the potency and properties of it as they see fit but its still Raiton so they all carry the same properties in the end, its just up to the user on how they manipulate it.

Which I am partially agreeing with. If the user uses Raiton for the properties to penetrate, it will lose it focused of electrocuting his opponents. Thats how I see it when encountering every character that been hit by its penetrated properties.

Sasuke can manipulate his Raiton to pierce/cut or electrocute depending on how he uses it:

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In that situation he needed to capture Bee, not kill him, so electrocution to knock him out was the best way to go. If he wanted to, that Chidori was certainly putting a whole through Bee since one gave Ay a shallow cut through his Raiton Armor. Heres examples of Raiton electrocuting and paralyzing with no Suiton source:

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Your examples are supporting my point I was making as you can see it only reacted with Suigetsu adding water to it (link 1 and 2).

Link 3 supports my point here as lightening clone properties isn't to penetrate its opponents but to electrocute.

Link 4 also supports my point as Sasuke change the properties of Chidori into a current which lack its focus into a single point for penetration.

Link 5 is the only one that looks like it doesn't support my point. As this ability is focused for penetration and yet Yamato stated was going numb. The viz translation stated that Yamato only stated that only the area he felt it was where he stabbed him. So it didn't travel all over his body and electrocute him. Which is accurate since he could move and escape from it, just like Orochimaru, whos was stabbed and blood was split on his Raiton.

But yea in the end their is less focus on certain points of Raiton priorities depending on the properties, which is my main point.

Even with no Suiton source they still get electrocuted and paralyzed. Why? Well as you said, it seems Raiton reacts like electrocution only in a response to water; humans are 70% water. Its as simple as that.

Edit- This goes for pretty much any nature to be honest. They manipulate it according to how they need to use it. Its the same reason Temaris Futon didn't cut the Samurai up but instead she manipulated it just to remove their armor from them.

Same point as above

 

[A v i]

Tobirama ain't winning without pre markings.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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here is the page proving he can indeed shock with the armor.

How? Explain because edo body can't go into to shock via shock because they have no nerves...

And why does Raiton travel through water by default? Because Raiton is Raiton and thats its nature. Its also electrocutes and paralyzes. Why? Because thats its nature. Now you're just making my points stronger.

Those are completely not the same thing... Chidori doesn't shock yet it can travel through water... Kirin doesn't shock yet it will travel through water Nukite doesn't shock neither...

 

[TRE MERCER]

By feats Raiton carries different priorities. One is focused in penetration others are focus on electrocution. When talking about Raiton that doesn't electrocute naturally, and focus on penetration, it seems that it only reacts like electrocution only in a response to water or suiton.

This right here...

 

[LuckyMan]

How? Explain because edo body can't go into to shock via shock because they have no nerves...


Those are completely not the same thing... Chidori doesn't shock yet it can travel through water... Kirin doesn't shock yet it will travel through water Nukite doesn't shock neither...

>Ay flows Raiton in Madara
>Madara is an edo, yet gets paralyzed
>Says Raiton can't paralyze Edos
>Legit

 

[Ababeel]

Obito wins.

When Minato fought him he stated that 1 second will decide the out come. Tobirama has inferior shunshin, FTG, and reflexes to Minato won't be able to cut it.

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”!!?” (Volume 53, Chapter 503)
Displaying astonishing skillfulness with “Hiraishin no jutsu”!!
Overwhelming the Masked Man that is the mastermind behind the Kyuubi Incident!!

A handsome man shining with natural-borne talent, like a blinding glint (purple lightning), time and space itself seem to stand still—.
Minato handles to perfection the “Hiraishin no jutsu” space-time ninjutsu that was invented by Nidaime Hokage Senju Tobirama, and learnt from Master Jiraiya the pride of being a ninja.
His achievements began 27 years ago with the “Jinchuuriki kidnapping prevention” in Kirigakure; during the 3rd Great Ninja War, he led inferior Konoha camps to victory for times too numerous to mention.
Praised among all ninja as the greatest in god-like speed, the honour of that valour fascinates even the elites of other villages.

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飛雷神互瞬回しの術 Hiraishin Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu/


Ninjutsu

A-rank;Supplementary;All ranges

Users: Senju Tobirama and Namikaze Minato

At the same instant the Fourth takes the blow, the Second, who was behind Madara, unleashes the Flying Thunder God!

As two Flying Thunder Gods glitter, a miraculous combo is unleashed!

"A dream combo born the instant two Flying Thunder God users come together! It’s a fearsome combination of the Second Hokage producing a spacetime ninjutsu and the Fourth Hokage taking this technique and pushing it even higher. It’s a highly dangerous technique because there’s a chance of becoming the target and taking your ally’s hit as you do two Flying Thunder Gods at once. It’s a high level collaboration only possible with absolute trust in your partner when the two parties are miraculously in tune. Whoever becomes the target will bear the full brunt with no chance to escape or hide!"

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Konoha
Hundred Leaf Collection #71

"I put a Marking on him."
Moving in the blink of an eye to where the Marking had already been placed, the “Hiraishin no jutsu (Flying Thunder God Technique)”!!
[Tobirama marked Obito, Volume 66, Chapter 641]

“Hiraishin no jutsu”, “Edo Tensei” and so on, regardless of the difficulty in their mastery and operation, stories about these jutsu continue to be handed down for generations to come. Such high-rank ninjutsu were created (invented!) by a certain expert in jutsu-development. It was Nidaime Hokage Senju Tobirama.

Inherited from Master to Disciple
Secret Story of the Creation of Hiden Ninjutsu

Tobirama’s developed jutsu were later inherited by a disciple, a user whose name was rising. Namikaze Minato improved the mastery of “Hiraishin no jutsu”, and thus took the nickname “The Yellow Flash”. The excellent jutsu was refined according to the disciple, who evolved it together with the era. The future of “Kagebunshin no jutsu (Shadow Clone Jutsu)” and “Rasengan” is dependent upon Naruto!?

[picture of Minato]
Minato’s “Rasengan” in due time, to his son…
"Yondaime Hokage…!!! What a coincidence… what fate! A miracle ♪”

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And the different in reflexes like Tobirama getting half of his body torn apart against mindless obito, while Minato getting only 1 arm cut off against Obito in control, and his feat in front of 8th Gate Gai.

Also, Tobirama's FTG-Giri is only B-Rank that work best from the blind spot of the foe. Unlike Minato's FTG level 2, which a level higher than Tobirama's (A-Rank). And I don't see how the Kunai is going to replace the power of the Rassengan either. So, yeah, I don't see Tobirama winning this with so much disadvantages.

 

[LuckyMan]

Obito wins.

When Minato fought him he stated that 1 second will decide the out come. Tobirama has inferior shunshin, FTG, and reflexes to Minato won't be able to cut it.

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And the different in reflexes like Tobirama getting half of his body torn apart against mindless obito, while Minato getting only 1 arm cut off against Obito in control, and his feat in front of 8th Gate Gai.

Also, Tobirama's FTG-Giri is only B-Rank that work best from the blind spot of the foe. Unlike Minato's FTG level 2, which a level higher than Tobirama's (A-Rank). And I don't see how the Kunai is going to replace the power of the Rassengan either. So, yeah, I don't see Tobirama winning this with so much disadvantages.

Where you been at bruh?