[VS] Tobirama vs 1MS Obito

[TRE MERCER]

Did he react to JJ Madara's Shunshin? Nope. Besides, Kamui automatically lets him slip through things that make contact with him while it's active. That isn't a reaction.

Ws JJ Madara shunsui needed to stop SM Minato ftg blitz no... Was it needed to stop Tobirama's no... Unless you can prove Obito was already intangible before he reached for him sit down...

 

[KidGamer65]

Ws JJ Madara shunsui needed to stop SM Minato ftg blitz no... Was it needed to stop Tobirama's no... Unless you can prove Obito was already intangible before he reached for him sit down...

MS was active, so Kamui was active, so he was intangible. That's how Kamui works. You claimed that Obito reacted, so I suggest you prove that claim.

 

[KameSennin]

Tobirama will win

 

[TRE MERCER]

MS was active, so Kamui was active, so he was intangible. That's how Kamui works. You claimed that Obito reacted, so I suggest you prove that claim.

What a fool... Obito strikes Madara here.(

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). Madara knowing Obito was solid since he was stuck he reached for his Rinnegan in a desperate attempt... Obito fazed through him.(

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). My point is proven...

 

[KidGamer65]

What a fool... Obito strikes Madara here.(

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). Madara knowing Obito was solid since he was stuck he reached for his Rinnegan in a desperate attempt... Obito fazed through him.(

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). My point is proven...

1. Obito is solid at the time he strikes, not after. So that's only evidence that he was tangible.

2. Zero evidence for the bold, of course.

 

[Braiyan]

Tobirama had enough reflexes to tag a much faster Juubito 5 times while in the middle of a blitz attempt. I don't see why he shouldn't then be able to teleport in response to a Kamui warp, especially when that was Minato's first choice when getting warped for the first time. Then there's the fact that the location guarantees that he will always have at least one mark prepped on his stone monument to teleport to, so the idea that he needs to have clones or a marked kunai out in order to avoid the first warp attempt is not true (especially since he will bring out clones/start marking other areas/marking his kunai after the first warp attempt).

After that, it's just a matter of striking when Obito makes himself tangible, which can be accomplished with FTG Slash, or tricking him into warping a clone and having that clone stab him when he makes himself intangible.

 

[TRE MERCER]

1. Obito is solid at the time he strikes, not after. So that's only evidence that he was tangible.

2. Zero evidence for the bold, of course.

Exactly he turned intangible right after he struck him and Madara reached for him the moment he stuck him therefore Obito reacted to Madara...

0 evidence the entire scan is 100% proof/evidence... Madara clearly reaches for the Rinnegan as soon as Obito struck him what aren't you getting?

 

[Draphsin]

False. We saw the end of his fight, and they both looked very tired.

How do you know what went on beforehand?

I don't, but that doesn't make me false. Can you prove that tobirama uses clones every time that he fights an uchiha? As I said he has sensory abilities & we didn't see any clones during his battle with izuna. Point is that he isn't making clones just because obito is also an uchiha, there's no proof that he does it every time.

And Minato had info on Obito without a sharingan that could spew lighter sized katons. Tobirama has more info on Uchiha that Minato.

Obito assumed the man he was facing was madara & realized that he controlled kurama, minato was obviously wary of obito's genjutsu ability [since he should've been able to sense it & thus explains how he knew how to release it's control] so there's no excuse as to why he wouldn't produce clones either.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

"If" is correct, but even then what would he do to them in Kamui land? Regardless; they can shock him to the touch if the want to with there armor so he would at the very least would paralyze him (pokemon ref). They have react to far faster attacks opponents. He has to touch them then he mich have a chance, but with them watching each others blind spots and staying alert I don't see that happening.

I don't think the armor works that way. Sasuke was grabbed by the raikage but wasnt shocked. Same goes for naruto and bee.

 

[LuckyMan]

I don't think the armor works that way. Sasuke was grabbed by the raikage but wasnt shocked. Same goes for naruto and bee.

It works whatever way Ay wants it to work. We seen Sasuke attack him behind his back with his Chidori Sword only for the Raiton Armor to knock he and his sword away. Then we see people like Onoki who can hop on Ays back while Raiton Armor is activated without being electrocuted. It seems he can control the potency of it to a point where he can let some things through and repel others.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It works whatever way Ay wants it to work. We seen Sasuke attack him behind his back with his Chidori Sword only for the Raiton Armor to knock he and his sword away. Then we see people like Onoki who can hop on Ays back while Raiton Armor is activated without being electrocuted. It seems he can control the potency of it to a point where he can let some things through and repel others.

So how exactly does that prove ay can shock ppl that come in contact with him?
And no sasuke's attack bounced off because chidori run on a sword isn't strong enough to peirce ay. Chidori (sasuke's strongest variant bar kirin) barley broke skin.

 

[LuckyMan]

So how exactly does that prove ay can shock ppl that come in contact with him?
And no sasuke's attack bounced off because chidori run on a sword isn't strong enough to peirce ay. Chidori (sasuke's strongest variant bar kirin) barley broke skin.

Because Raiton shocks people. Thats its nature.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Because Raiton shocks people. Thats its nature.

Raikage ration didn't shock Madara when they made contact hell there ration armor has never shocked anything...

 

[LuckyMan]

Raikage ration didn't shock Madara when they made contact hell there ration armor has never shocked anything...

Like I said, Ay can control the potency of it to shock people if he wants, or change the potency to cut things if he wants, like he did Gyukis horn and his own arm. Raiton is Raiton and thats its nature. Users change the potency to do what needs to be done.

 

[KidGamer65]

Exactly he turned intangible right after he struck him and Madara reached for him the moment he stuck him therefore Obito reacted to Madara...

0 evidence the entire scan is 100% proof/evidence... Madara clearly reaches for the Rinnegan as soon as Obito struck him what aren't you getting?

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If you are going to try and lie about manga panels, don't lie about something that can be proven true in a heartbeat.

-Madara gets struck.

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Talking in between. Chapter ends.

-Madara strikes back.

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There was no reaction. You're gonna have to deal with it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Like I said, Ay can control the potency of it to shock people if he wants, or change the potency to cut things if he wants, like he did Gyukis horn and his own arm. Raiton is Raiton and thats its nature. Users change the potency to do what needs to be done.

Please provide proof of this terrible claim!!!!! He has no feats what so ever of making his ration armor shock people the only thing is shock right now is me because of that terrible claim...

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If you are going to try and lie about manga panels, don't lie about something that can be proven true in a heartbeat.

-Madara gets struck.

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Talking in between. Chapter ends.

-Madara strikes back.

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There was no reaction. You're gonna have to deal with it.

Obito was still soild seeing as he was still absorbing Madara's chakra the flare flare next to his arm is more than enough proof that Madara chakra was being absorbed right before he swung at Obito which means Obito reacted to Madara nuff said...

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito was still soild seeing as he was still absorbing Madara's chakra the flare flare next to his arm is more than enough proof that Madara chakra was being absorbed right before he swung at Obito which means Obito reacted to Madara nuff said...

If I used this logic, he never would have been intangible since that flare never vanished. Not to mention that *flare" sfx isn't Obito absorbing Madara's chakra. He already absorbed his chakra in the last page of chapter 665, and he didn't start taking the Bijuu until after Madara jumped away.

So no, you are wrong. Again.

 

[LuckyMan]

Please provide proof of this terrible claim!!!!! He has no feats what so ever of making his ration armor shock people the only thing is shock right now is me because of that terrible claim...

The proof is that Raiton is Raiton and its nature is to electrocute and paralyze. Feats don't matter here because the nature of Raiton means it obviously can electrocute people, if Ay wants it to. Raiton Armor is not used to electrocute, no thats not its purpose, its not offensive. Its purpose is to speed up the brains synapses to react faster. However, if the user did want to use the technique offensively, they can change its shape and potency at will; examples are when Sandaime Raikage uses Nukite or when Ay makes a Raiton blade.

By your logic, Sandaime Raikage or Ay putting their hands on Suigetsu with Raiton Armor on won't electrocute or paralyze him and thats just absurd.

 

[TRE MERCER]

The proof is that Raiton is Raiton and its nature is to electrocute and paralyze. Feats don't matter here because the nature of Raiton means it obviously can electrocute people, if Ay wants it to. Raiton Armor is not used to electrocute, no thats not its purpose, its not offensive. Its purpose is to speed up the brains synapses to react faster. However, if the user did want to use the technique offensively, they can change its shape and potency at will; examples are when Sandaime Raikage uses Nukite or when Ay makes a Raiton blade.

By your logic, Sandaime Raikage or Ay putting their hands on Suigetsu with Raiton Armor on won't electrocute or paralyze him and thats just absurd.

Only read the bottom because unless i see a scan or Ei claiming his can shock people with his armor then your argument is moot... No it's not because ration travels through water by default my friend...

 

[Draegod]

I don't think the armor works that way. Sasuke was grabbed by the raikage but wasnt shocked. Same goes for naruto and bee.

He placed his hand and armor in Mei's water dragon to paralyze madara. So it is fact he can choose what to do with his armor it would seem.