Look at the size of the hirudora Gai uses on Kisame and on Madara. Also look at the DC, also Gai was tired against Madara. The one used on Kisame was much bigger and stronger. Also Gai had no idea his attack was going to go through the shark missile so he had to make it strong enough where he wouldnt die.
You can get intel on a dead body anyway. As shown when the intel corps was getting intel out of dead path.
I'm not going to indulge in this debate for very long, because there isn't enough evidence on both sides, which leads to a pointlessly long debate. But the manga has never shown Byakugous capability to steadily heal with the amount and rate of damage Gai can produce within less then a second.
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We know that a single flame equates to a single punch, and we can easily distinguish that Gai punches Kisame over 30 times before the force of gravity finally takes affect on Kisame as he gets pushed back; which should of occured after just one punch.
So with Morning Peacock alone, Gai is throwing well over 30 bone breaking punches per second in addition to incinerating the target all at once. It's described to end a fight, and took out Kisame, one of the most durable characters in the manga. Not to mention, this was early part two and in the 6th gate. War-Arc Gai in the 7th Gate should be able to easily outdue this feat.
And it doesn't even stop there. Gai showed no sign of significant fatigue after that which only goes to show he still had a lot more juice in him. So if he feels the need, he can simply follow up with another Morning Peacock and pound her into the ground; or alternatively:
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Shattering like four of the Mazou's toes; and shouldn't have any problem pasting Tsunades face. Furthermore, Gai can then hit her with a Hirudora strong enough to obliterate a V3 susano'o just for insurance or simply opt into continiously smashing her with 30+ punches per second, then blast her with Hirudora. Tsunade is very unfortunately defenseless the entire time against Gai, and the output of damage is near endless. Tsunades pain resistancy, durability, and healing capability are certainly nothing to laugh at or simply disregard, but without the necessary speed or means to stop Gai; he's going to obliterate her way beyond repair one way or another.
But of course, this is just all my opinion, as the list of feats you provided for Icelerate doesn't come even close to cutting it for me.
I'm not going to indulge in this debate for very long, because there isn't enough evidence on both sides, which leads to a pointlessly long debate. But the manga has never shown Byakugous capability to steadily heal with the amount and rate of damage Gai can produce within less then a second.
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We know that a single flame equates to a single punch, and we can easily distinguish that Gai punches Kisame over 30 times before the force of gravity finally takes affect on Kisame as he gets pushed back; which should of occured after just one punch.
So with Morning Peacock alone, Gai is throwing well over 30 bone breaking punches per second in addition to incinerating the target all at once. It's described to end a fight, and took out Kisame, one of the most durable characters in the manga. Not to mention, this was early part two and in the 6th gate. War-Arc Gai in the 7th Gate should be able to easily outdue this feat.
And it doesn't even stop there. Gai showed no sign of significant fatigue after that which only goes to show he still had a lot more juice in him. So if he feels the need, he can simply follow up with another Morning Peacock and pound her into the ground; or alternatively:
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Shattering like four of the Mazou's toes; and shouldn't have any problem pasting Tsunades face. Furthermore, Gai can then hit her with a Hirudora strong enough to obliterate a V3 susano'o just for insurance or simply opt into continiously smashing her with 30+ punches per second, then blast her with Hirudora. Tsunade is very unfortunately defenseless the entire time against Gai, and the output of damage is near endless. Tsunades pain resistancy, durability, and healing capability are certainly nothing to laugh at or simply disregard, but without the necessary speed or means to stop Gai; he's going to obliterate her way beyond repair one way or another.
But of course, this is just all my opinion, as the list of feats you provided for Icelerate doesn't come even close to cutting it for me.
He is throwing punches so quickly he creates fire. This is what his attack did to
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that had only 30% of Kisame chakra. The body was intact, hardly even burned. The feats I showed Icelerate definnetly show she can take fire easily and quick hits. Byakugo regenerates immediately, also another thing, Tsunade does not need to wait for her body to heal before attacking. Byakugo is like the ultimate steroid, even with her spine destroyed Tsunade was still moving even before the spine was healed.
Speculation on your point stating he smashes a toe. You cant even see anything. If anything he stubbed it.
Morning peacock did not do alot of damage, Byakugo has definitely shown the feats to regenerate from that. I dont really care if it doesnt cut it for you, compare the damage output of morning peacock to things Tsunade has survived and you will see that it is enough.
He is throwing punches so quickly he creates fire. This is what his attack did to
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that had only 30% of Kisame chakra. The body was intact, hardly even burned. The feats I showed Icelerate definnetly show she can take fire easily and quick hits. Byakugo regenerates immediately, also another thing, Tsunade does not need to wait for her body to heal before attacking. Byakugo is like the ultimate steroid, even with her spine destroyed Tsunade was still moving even before the spine was healed.
Speculation on your point stating he smashes a toe. You cant even see anything. If anything he stubbed it.
Morning peacock did not do alot of damage, Byakugo has definitely shown the feats to regenerate from that. I dont really care if it doesnt cut it for you, compare the damage output of morning peacock to things Tsunade has survived and you will see that it is enough.
According to Itachi, this jutsu produces their exact bodies [
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], which means Kisames durability applies. Doesn't matter if the body was intact. The bottom line is that the output of damage was enough to subdue Kisame level durability. The body was inflamed for as long as a few seconds before landing in Kisames lake, so I don't know what exactly you're expecting. Again, not a single feat you displayed showcased Tsunade getting hit consecutively in terms of more then just numerous times per second for more then minutes time; not even close.
More blatant denial and refusal on your part, as it's clear enough for someone outside of Ray Charles to distinguish between his big toe and the others.
Right, because Gai's onslaught stops at a single Morning Peacock. Yeah.. Do continue with Evani or someone else. Thanks.
I'm not going to indulge in this debate for very long, because there isn't enough evidence on both sides, which leads to a pointlessly long debate. But the manga has never shown Byakugous capability to steadily heal with the amount and rate of damage Gai can produce within less then a second.
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We know that a single flame equates to a single punch, and we can easily distinguish that Gai punches Kisame over 30 times before the force of gravity finally takes affect on Kisame as he gets pushed back; which should of occured after just one punch.
So with Morning Peacock alone, Gai is throwing well over 30 bone breaking punches per second in addition to incinerating the target all at once. It's described to end a fight, and took out Kisame, one of the most durable characters in the manga. Not to mention, this was early part two and in the 6th gate. War-Arc Gai in the 7th Gate should be able to easily outdue this feat.
And it doesn't even stop there. Gai showed no sign of significant fatigue after that which only goes to show he still had a lot more juice in him. So if he feels the need, he can simply follow up with another Morning Peacock and pound her into the ground; or alternatively:
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Shattering like four of the Mazou's toes; and shouldn't have any problem pasting Tsunades face. Furthermore, Gai can then hit her with a Hirudora strong enough to obliterate a V3 susano'o just for insurance or simply opt into continiously smashing her with 30+ punches per second, then blast her with Hirudora. Tsunade is very unfortunately defenseless the entire time against Gai, and the output of damage is near endless. Tsunades pain resistancy, durability, and healing capability are certainly nothing to laugh at or simply disregard, but without the necessary speed or means to stop Gai; he's going to obliterate her way beyond repair one way or another.
But of course, this is just all my opinion, as the list of feats you provided for Icelerate doesn't come even close to cutting it for me.
This too, if he has too. But I prefer utilizing Gai's traditional fighting style.
He uses Kunais though, and Guy wouldn't waste time if he know decapatate on is needed to assure victory. Like he didn't keep using 7th gate knowing it was useless against madara.
According to Itachi, this jutsu produces their exact bodies [
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More blatant denial and refusal on your part, as it's clear enough for someone outside of Ray Charles to distinguish between his big toe and the others.
Right, because Gai's onslaught stops at a single Morning Peacock. Yeah.. Do continue with Evani or someone else. Thanks.
You are acting like the fire punches are that damaging. Tsunade easily bounced fire off her arms and healed them in a instant. The punches are not going to effect her as her body will stay intact and regeneration will take place.
Right its so clear that Gai smashed the toe, all I see is him kicking into it and a bunch of debris. Again your speculation he smashed it apart.
Morning peacock doesnt work then he has to go into the 7th gate, once Tsunade
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Katsuyu comes out and Hirudora is tanked. Then Gai is definitely tired out.
Databook 2 - Katsuyu Daibunretsu:
NINJUTSU; Katsuyu Daibunretsu (Katsuyu's Grand Division of the Slugs*)
User: Katsuyu
Supplementary; Rank: none
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Capturing her is impossible already! Because she is a boneless mollusk, she has a fantastical ability to transform at will, that of deciding to divide her whole body or to reunite it. All physical attacks are nullified before this technique. No matter how violent the strike, it won't amount to more than a fruitless attempt. The enemy will just exhaust themselves accordingly and eventually fall to the ground.
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-Her mollusk's body, which has no part that can be grasped, brings forth a full-body division!
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-She avoids the attacks by dividing her whole body. And she did so with ease, even against Manda, Orochimaru's summoned Great Snake's firm and tight grip.
*"Katsuyu" is just a custom reading for "namekuji", which translates as "slug".
Now she obviously cannot tank all physical attacks but this hype is not featless as any attacks at the level of ST are tanked. Katsuyu tanked ST with no damage. Hirudora is on ST's level and since the DB wants to be specific about physical attacks then yes Hirudora is tanked.
Before you try to downgrade ST.
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It simply didnt push everything, it decimated everything, look at the circle of nothingness as it works its way farther. And it even creates a giant crater, two different craters. The last page shows the ground level where Konoha used to be and then you can really see how big of a crater it made.
And to further prove my point that Katsuyu's body is very durable.
You are acting like the fire punches are that damaging. Tsunade easily bounced fire off her arms and healed them in a instant. The punches are not going to effect her as her body will stay intact and regeneration will take place.
Right its so clear that Gai smashed the toe, all I see is him kicking into it and a bunch of debris. Again your speculation he smashed it apart.
Morning peacock doesnt work then he has to go into the 7th gate, once Tsunade
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Katsuyu comes out and Hirudora is tanked. Then Gai is definitely tired out.
Now she obviously cannot tank all physical attacks but this hype is not featless as any attacks at the level of ST are tanked. Katsuyu tanked ST with no damage. Hirudora is on ST's level and since the DB wants to be specific about physical attacks then yes Hirudora is tanked.
Before you try to downgrade ST.
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It simply didnt push everything, it decimated everything, look at the circle of nothingness as it works its way farther. And it even creates a giant crater, two different craters. The last page shows the ground level where Konoha used to be and then you can really see how big of a crater it made.
And to further prove my point that Katsuyu's body is very durable.
I'm not acting like nothing. I'm presenting you what occured in the manga, but apparently Morning Peacock killing someone as durable as Kisame somehow equates to the punches not being that damaging. So if the manga doesn't for whatever reason beyond me, hold enough weight, then I'll bring out the DB which seems to be serviceable for you.
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A deadly technique; Only a fiery death comes to those struck by it. But I'm acting like the punches are that damaging, right? Just as you mentioned in that DB scan concerning Katsuyu, the hype isn't featless with Morning Peacock. It one shotted someone as incredibly durable and pain resistant as Kisame; which I have no problem showcasing by providing manga scans. Once again and for the final time, sure generation will take place, but Tsunade has never gotten hit consecutively 30+ times within a second or two for minutes time or until Gai's stamina runs out. Essentially, by the time Byakugou heals Tsunade from a few punches (Because it isn't nearly as instant as Gai's strikes), she has already taken damage from like 10+ more. In addition to that, she's getting engulfed in flames strong enough to evaporate suiton techniques.
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This is how I know you're full of bullshit. All you see is Gai kicking into it? It's not even visible. The red line runs along the 4 toes, which is clearly distinguishable, with the middle 3 appearing to of taken some damage. The pinky toe isn't visible because Gai clearly smashed it into the ground, which explains why rocks and debris are flying everywhere. If Gai had just stubbed it as you claim, then it's pinky would of been visible and positioned along the rest of the Mazou's toes, Gai wouldn't be appearing to be smashing the ground, and debris wouldn't be flying everywhere. Again, flagrant denial and refusal to accept whats clearly happening for Tsunades sake.
Gai can go straight into the 7th gate and use Morning Peacock. She doesn't even get a chance from the moment Gai strikes. And I'm not quite sure how this translates into Katsuyu tanking Hirudora (assuming Gai for some odd reason fires it at her)... two different techniques and CT isn't focused on one point like Hirudora is. If Gai who was exhausted past the ability to even stand up on his own could conjure up just enough energy for a final Hirudora strong enough to obliterate a V3 susano'o and put someone like Madara, who is durable on his own, out of commission for more then an entire chapter; I have no reason to believe Katsuyu can simply tank this. As then were essentially saying Katsuyu's durability is far above that of a V3 susano'o+Madara, which doesn't make any sense, especially considering the fact that Manda was literally about to pop her with it's strength before she was forced to split up. And if Katsuyu ever splits up into hundreds of her mini's, then Morning Peacock incinerates.
Still fanfiction, unless you can prove it with scans. From what we know, Guy has to open the gates to use its techniques. Sasuke's example actually proves my point, because he had to activate the curse mark to use it.
Still fanfiction, unless you can prove it with scans. From what we know, Guy has to open the gates to use its techniques. Sasuke's example actually proves my point, because he had to activate the curse mark to use it.
When Gai has opened the 7th gate, the other six are already opened so he can use all their abilities. Exactly Hebi Sasuke has CS2 so he can use black chidori just like VoTE Sasuke did.
Furthermore, going by your logic, neither Sakura or Tsunade can use regular medical ninjutsu once activating Byakugou.
When Gai has opened the 7th gate, the other six are already opened so he can use all their abilities. Exactly Hebi Sasuke has CS2 so he can use black chidori just like VoTE Sasuke did.
