SMT: Persona FC

[Dãrth1]

Well, it's not like it was ever said/confirmed or anything. It's just my interpretation from Igor's quotes. Here are some of them:

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''Right now, you may be able to defeat that which cannot be defeated''. Meaning Minato can do the impossible.

''You have the power to bring about a new beginning, or the ultimate end''. Meaning Minato is basically in control of fate itself

''Nothing is outside the realm of possibility for you now'' Once again, meaning Minato can do literally anything.

I guess that's why he needs to be kept sealed

Thanks, I'm almost done Zzz



I can't resist chiming in here, so:

Personally, I'm not so certain about Minato's destructive power. Igor's quotes do in fact suggest a nigh-omnipotent level of destructive capability, but it's also possible that he's speaking metaphorically (as Minato learnt the true meaning of life and rose to a higher plane of existance).

But in terms of durability, the guy resisted death itself (not an embodiment or a watered-down version or anything like that, literally death) on sheer willpower, something that seemingly defies the laws of existance.

So, to sum it up, he's really, really, really powerful. The only other Persona character who has crazy feats like that is Tatsuya (though they're not as insane as Minato's).

Maybe he was speaking metaphorically
That resisting death reminded me of Luffy

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

I have never ever watched persona. The art looks beautiful though

Indeed. Persona has my 2nd favorite art style, character designs, etc, of all time. Which says a lot.

I second Naoya's opinion on what he told you about the series. Play the games!

It's about time I make a comeback in my own FC. I've been far too inactive.

For some reason, all I can think of right now is the scene where Teddy arrives at the Gekkoukan trip in P4 during the night at the hotel, LOL.

Welcome back!

Well, the demon summoning mechanic was greatly executed, but the rest of the game was somewhat bad. It could only be considered fun if you play with other people, hence why it's called an ''MMO'', I guess. Not every MMORPG has to be that way, though.

Keep in mind that Atlus had absolutely nothing to do with that game. Atlus eventually claimed the publishing rights to it and ended up shutting down all servers bar the Japanese ones.

In terms of gameplay mechanics, it would definitely work. Shin Megami Tensei naturally works on the principle of '''demon negotiation'', so I'm not so sure how they would incorperate the Persona formula into that, but there are definitely chances of such a system succeeding.

Story is always subjective, so I can't properly judge whether this will work out. Shin Megami Tensei Imagine Online simply followed the basic principle of SMT with the whole Law vs Chaos thing. You could make certain choices in the game which would shift your alignment from Neutral to Chaos to Law etc. That ended up changing your capabilites with certain demons. I was completely chaotic, so my compatibility with chaotic demons rose. I guess that's more of a gameplay mechanic, but still. The exact same formula could be used with the Arcana.

One could say that the theme of ''bonds'' throughout the Persona series would work really well in an MMO, though. It sounds extremely logical when you think about it. MMO's are games which encourage socializing and grouping up, so they could make it work, if they put effort into it.

The micro-transactions really bothered me, though. That's the problem with ''Free to Play'' MMO games. Players who pay will always have the advantage. Although I'm also not really a fan of monthly subscriptions. That's what got me into Guild Wars 2. A single-term payment in order to create an account/buy the game and everything else worked amazingly. There was an in-game shop, but it was only for esthetic purposes.

So, yes, a Persona MMORPG could work. All they would have to do is tweak the already working mechanics of SMT Imagine Online a little and you'd already have a half-decent game. The game would have to have some sort of payment, but not a forced commitment such as a monthly subscription, and if Atlus could give a creative twist to the concept of MMO's in combination with the Arcana/Bonds it might just work out greatly. The chances of Atlus ever doing this are close to zero, though. Unless Persona becomes majorly mainstream to the point it will turn into the new Final Fantasy.

Hmm... that sums it up well, thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that Atlus didn't have anything to do with it initially.

You make a good point about the whole "bonds" thing. That could make for a very interesting mechanic in an MMO. But, as you said, unless Persona gets to FF level, it won't happen. Although I must say, the series has risen in popularity dramatically through P4.

That's a little pointless, right? Minato takes both scenarios with utmost ease. Igor guided both the Persona 1 and Persona 2 cast yet was fanboying over Minato when he awakened the Universe.

''Nothing is outside of the realm of possibility for you now'' - Igor speaking to Minato

Meh, you're probably right...

Here's what I think, though. The two powerhouses here are Minato and my boy Tatsuya.

Minato, on one hand, has better defensive feats (resisting death), but Igor's comments (when related to his offense) can be considered hype, or have different interpretations, with no feats to say for sure.

Tatsuya, on one hand, has better offensive feats (stopping time and subsequent nuking, via his Persona, Apollo) but lacks the defensive feats to keep up with Minato's. He resisted Universe-level reality warping, but that still isn't on Minato's level.

I could try and make an argument for why Tatsuya takes him, but I doubt it would work out -.-

Actually, all this talk of feats and such makes me want to compile a list for all the protagonists (and Adachi too, of course, to please everyone ), I think it would be cool to do, like the tier list. Especially if I get screenshots, etc. Hmm...

 

[Dãrth1]

Indeed. Persona has my 2nd favorite art style, character designs, etc, of all time. Which says a lot.

I second Naoya's opinion on what he told you about the series. Play the games!



For some reason, all I can think of right now is the scene where Teddy arrives at the Gekkoukan trip in P4 during the night at the hotel, LOL.

Welcome back!



Hmm... that sums it up well, thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that Atlus didn't have anything to do with it initially.

You make a good point about the whole "bonds" thing. That could make for a very interesting mechanic in an MMO. But, as you said, unless Persona gets to FF level, it won't happen. Although I must say, the series has risen in popularity dramatically through P4.



Meh, you're probably right...

Here's what I think, though. The two powerhouses here are Minato and my boy Tatsuya.

Minato, on one hand, has better defensive feats (resisting death), but Igor's comments (when related to his offense) can be considered hype, or have different interpretations, with no feats to say for sure.

Tatsuya, on one hand, has better offensive feats (stopping time and subsequent nuking, via his Persona, Apollo) but lacks the defensive feats to keep up with Minato's. He resisted Universe-level reality warping, but that still isn't on Minato's level.

I could try and make an argument for why Tatsuya takes him, but I doubt it would work out -.-

Actually, all this talk of feats and such makes me want to compile a list for all the protagonists (and Adachi too, of course, to please everyone ), I think it would be cool to do, like the tier list. Especially if I get screenshots, etc. Hmm...

Persona would get even better than FF if it were divulgated like FF
Anyway guys, what's your favorite Persona?

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Persona would get even better than FF if it were divulgated like FF
Anyway guys, what's your favorite Persona?

I partially agree. Pumping them out at the frequency that FF games are released would only reduce the quality. But if it had the same type of advertisement, attention, etc as FF does, then yes, there is a big chance it would become more popular. Plus, as a series on a whole, I think it's better already.

My favorite Persona is Magatsu Izanagi

Other than that, my other 2 favorites are Hermes and Apollo.

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[Dãrth1]

I partially agree. Pumping them out at the frequency that FF games are released would only reduce the quality. But if it had the same type of advertisement, attention, etc as FF does, then yes, there is a big chance it would become more popular. Plus, as a series on a whole, I think it's better already.

My favorite Persona is Magatsu Izanagi

Other than that, my other 2 favorites are Hermes and Apollo.

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Yeah, what I was thinking, FF is more of battling and story, it doesn't have the "RP" that Persona has and most other "RPGs" have
Oh Magatsu-Izanagi, so cool and badass
Idk why, but I like the Jack Frost and Jack'ol Lantern

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Yeah, what I was thinking, FF is more of battling and story, it doesn't have the "RP" that Persona has and most other "RPGs" have
Oh Magatsu-Izanagi, so cool and badass
Idk why, but I like the Jack Frost and Jack'ol Lantern

@bold: Yes, I am

Nice choices, they're probably the most recognizable. And it's "Pyro Jack", for future reference

 

[Dãrth1]

@bold: Yes, I am

Nice choices, they're probably the most recognizable. And it's "Pyro Jack", for future reference

I know it's Pyro Jack
But Jack'ol Lantern looks cooler
I always prefer the original names

 

[Naoya Minato]

Favorite Persona, huh?

Black Frost
Loki
Izanagi
Magatsu-Izanagi
Lucifer

Persona 5 needs more Persona, honestly. I mean, all the ''Persona'' are basically just the demons from Shin Megami Tensei and they aren't even using all the demons from SMT. They could use a lot more designs. For example, as one of my favorite demons from Shin Megami Tensei, I'd love to have entities such as Kresnik as a Persona, but alas.

I'm also getting a little annoyed with Persona 4 Arena Ultimax. The game was supposed to be delivered in a span of 4-5 days. About 8 days have passed now since it was supposedly sent. Complaining at the delivery company won't solve much, either. At least I can pick up Persona Q tomorrow (Pre-ordered it) and still have Shin Megami Tensei 4 to enjoy...

 

[Dãrth1]

One question
The P3 Protagonist, Minato, is sealed to block Nyx from meeting with Erebus right?
So HOW DOES IS HE IN PQ?

 

[Naoya Minato]

One question
The P3 Protagonist, Minato, is sealed to block Nyx from meeting with Erebus right?
So HOW DOES IS HE IN PQ?

The secret lies within the summary of the plot.

The story of Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth revolves around a rumor that involves the so-called "Seven Wonders of Yasogami High", a mysterious clock tower, and a labyrinth that appears out of nowhere on the school grounds, during the Yasogami Culture Festival. According to said rumors, whoever hears the sound of the tower's bell will die. The bell's chime is also heard in Tartarus by the members of SEES, who find themselves transported to Yasogami High. The only way to return the world to its original state seems to be hidden within Zen and Rei. However, both of them have lost their memories.

SEES and Tartarus don't exist after the events of Persona 3. The cast of Persona 4 also didn't have Persona abilites during that time. That means that they are probably all taken from different timelines to an alternate reality.

In short, PQ Minato does not have the Universe yet.

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Favorite Persona, huh?

Black Frost
Loki
Izanagi
Magatsu-Izanagi
Lucifer

Persona 5 needs more Persona, honestly. I mean, all the ''Persona'' are basically just the demons from Shin Megami Tensei and they aren't even using all the demons from SMT. They could use a lot more designs. For example, as one of my favorite demons from Shin Megami Tensei, I'd love to have entities such as Kresnik as a Persona, but alas.

I'm also getting a little annoyed with Persona 4 Arena Ultimax. The game was supposed to be delivered in a span of 4-5 days. About 8 days have passed now since it was supposedly sent. Complaining at the delivery company won't solve much, either. At least I can pick up Persona Q tomorrow (Pre-ordered it) and still have Shin Megami Tensei 4 to enjoy...

Why am I not #1 on that list?

I can agree with you there, hopefully they take some new mythology as the basis for the cast's Personas. Perhaps Norse? But then again, some Norse deities have already been used, such as Loki. Perhaps... Chinese? Or maybe folklore? Who knows.

You're lucky to be able to get PQ >.>
I'm completely broke, and even if I wasn't, the amount of work I have right now is insane, I wouldn't even be able to play.

 

[Naoya Minato]

Why am I not #1 on that list?

I can agree with you there, hopefully they take some new mythology as the basis for the cast's Personas. Perhaps Norse? But then again, some Norse deities have already been used, such as Loki. Perhaps... Chinese? Or maybe folklore? Who knows.

You're lucky to be able to get PQ >.>
I'm completely broke, and even if I wasn't, the amount of work I have right now is insane, I wouldn't even be able to play.

It's not meant to be in order. ;p

I'm fine with the Persona the side-characters use. It's the Wild-card that needs to be expanded. Take ''Frost Ace'' for example. That demon has been part of the Jack Frost, Black Frost and King Frost family for a while now. Still isn't available in Persona.

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There's even a demon called Lucifrost/Lucifroz. (Lucifer + Jack frost)

But there are a lot of things I wanted to see in Persona 5 that won't happen, though. The Persona fanbase is growing, not just in number, but in age as well. Therefore, I believe the games should start growing with us. I would have loved it if Persona 5 had a college setting where you could pick your own courses and such. At least the dark setting of Persona 3 seems to have come back. Not that I hated the happiness of Persona 4, but dark settings tend to pull me in faster.

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

It's not meant to be in order. ;p

I'm fine with the Persona the side-characters use. It's the Wild-card that needs to be expanded. Take ''Frost Ace'' for example. That demon has been part of the Jack Frost, Black Frost and King Frost family for a while now. Still isn't available in Persona.

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There's even a demon called Lucifrost/Lucifroz. (Lucifer + Jack frost)

But there are a lot of things I wanted to see in Persona 5 that won't happen, though. The Persona fanbase is growing, not just in number, but in age as well. Therefore, I believe the games should start growing with us. I would have loved it if Persona 5 had a college setting where you could pick your own courses and such. At least the dark setting of Persona 3 seems to have come back. Not that I hated the happiness of Persona 4, but dark settings tend to pull me in faster.

You make a good point. It would be nice to see some fresh additions I'm the form of SMT-exclusive demons, or even entirely new ones. "Frost Ace" sounds (and looks) pretty cool, haha. As does Lucifroz, which is an interesting combo (it's almost amusing that they took Jack Frost, the cute looking ATLUS mascot, to combine with one of the most iconic and powerful demons/Personas).

Very good point @bold. Persona shouldn't be limited to high school (even though down in Japan, HS is viewed as the best/most fun experience of your education, as we outsiders view College, or at least in NA). Heck, I'm sure I'd appreciate one in a workplace setting with a bunch of middle-aged people when I get there xD

I, too, am happy about the darker atmosphere. P4 had some very dark moments (i.e. Adachi), but for the most part, it had a brighter atmosphere than P3 (heck in P4G I'm pretty sure there were flowers on the HUD, lmfao!)

 

[Dãrth1]

I know that dark theme is good, but, every game, I mean, every game that the cast fight has a dark theme, not that I don't like it, it's just that it's too overused
About the highschool thing, I think differently, as I myself will join highschool next year, I felt like P4 talked more about the problem of the daily life of generally teenagers, including myself, I understand Adachi's pain and what he suffered, I like things that people don't consider manly, to not include others
My point is, that thing of saving the world is overused, P4 talked more about daily problems
Just my opinion

 

[Naoya Minato]

"Persona Q has been delayed. Please wait until 5th of December."

FFS. Every store has the game already, but no, the store where I pre-ordered it suddenly has a delay. Pure BS. First Ultimax doesn't get delivered, now this.

 

[Centurybomber]

I haven't commented in a while,so I thought to come and say h-.........(suddenly sees a large amount of posts).

.....anyways. I have Persona Q. I'm not going to speak about it just yet, since no one seems to have it. I just wanted to point out, that if you have the game, don't plan on making a long name for your character. eg; Magatsu Izanagi

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

"Persona Q has been delayed. Please wait until 5th of December."

FFS. Every store has the game already, but no, the store where I pre-ordered it suddenly has a delay. Pure BS. First Ultimax doesn't get delivered, now this.

ARE YOU SERIOUS. It's like ATLUS is purposely taunting you at this point

At least now you can sympathize with me about not having it >.>

I haven't commented in a while,so I thought to come and say h-.........(suddenly sees a large amount of posts).

.....anyways. I have Persona Q. I'm not going to speak about just yet, since no one seems to have it. I just wanted to point out, that if you have the game, don't plan on making a long name for your character. eg; Magatsu Izagnagi

I appreciate that, haha. Feel free to talk about it once Naoya or someone else gets it, I'll skip over the posts.

I'll just keep Yu and Minato as their names, haha.

 

[Dãrth1]

Who would win?
Yu vs Minato
Pre Izanagi-no-Okami Yu vs Pre Universe Minato
Yu with Izanagi-no-Okami vs Pre Universe Minato
Yu vs Universe Minato is impossible for Yu, you guys said that Minato is above Philemon by hype

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Who would win?
Yu vs Minato
Pre Izanagi-no-Okami Yu vs Pre Universe Minato
Yu with Izanagi-no-Okami vs Pre Universe Minato
Yu vs Universe Minato is impossible for Yu, you guys said that Minato is above Philemon by hype

Minato definitely stomps Yu without Izanagi-no-Okami, assuming they're more or less equal in terms of CQC (although I'm pretty sure Minato got some hype once about how well he can wield a sword or something, but I may be wrong). Messiah or Thanatos would wipe the floor with Izanagi. If you restrict him to Orpheus, that would be a more in-depth debate, but I think he'd still pull the win.

With Okami, Yu would probably win via Myriad Truths, since that took down Izanami in her true form. Pre-Universe Minato probably doesn't have the durability required to tank that.

And yeah, Universe Minato stomps both by hype AND feats.

 

[Dãrth1]

Minato definitely stomps Yu without Izanagi-no-Okami, assuming they're more or less equal in terms of CQC (although I'm pretty sure Minato got some hype once about how well he can wield a sword or something, but I may be wrong). Messiah or Thanatos would wipe the floor with Izanagi. If you restrict him to Orpheus, that would be a more in-depth debate, but I think he'd still pull the win.

With Okami, Yu would probably win via Myriad Truths, since that took down Izanami in her true form. Pre-Universe Minato probably doesn't have the durability required to tank that.

And yeah, Universe Minato stomps both by hype AND feats.

I forgot that Minato has Death inside himself, which gives him a boost
Why everytime I visit this thread I feel like P4 cast is so weak -_-